By on September 25, 2012

A few months ago, Nissan’s Infiniti premium division moved out of the office building in Yokohama and out from the shadow of its parent company. Infiniti set up its new world headquarters in Hong Kong. Nissan also snagged Audi’s America-chief Johan de Nysschen as Infiniti’s new boss. Last Friday, after work, we sat down with de Nysschen in his new office on the 35th floor of the Citibank Tower in Hong Kong’s downtown, to talk about his and Infiniti’s plans for the future. This is a two-part interview. The second part will appear tomorrow.

De Nysschen’s office is spacious, but subdued in comparison to the workplaces of other leaders of industry. No armed guards, no sometimes more dangerous personal assistants bar the entry. He sits at a working man’s desk: Three computers of various sizes, a printer. A glass door provides limited privacy from otherwise open floor offices with space for maybe 100 people when Infiniti’s World Headquarters are fully staffed. So how does the new CEO like the new office in the new city?

Space is more constrained in Hong Kong, but the view is better. From my old office in Auburn Hills, on a clear day, I you could see Chrysler. From here … “ de Nysschen makes as sweeping motion while the sun sets over a still unfamiliar Hong Kong skyline, and he stops. “Honestly, the two months I have been here, I haven’t had time to admire the view a lot.”

He also did not spend much time at the office. His severely battered aluminum Rimowa case in hand, de Nysschen went on a familiarization tour around the world, met with customers, dealers, importers, employees.

De Nysschen is a self-confessed workaholic:

“60 days into this job , I can tell you that it has been quite a while that I had worked that hard and around the clock. I like to  immerse myself into the business. This is immensely stimulating.”

“Stimulating” is a word we will hear more often tonight.

Impressed by the surroundings, I immediately inquire how one gets such a job. It turns out that de Nysschen and Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn go a long ways back to the times when both of them had arrived in Japan in 1999.  Ghosn immediately wanted to hire de Nysschen, and add him to his stable of international executives that engineered what entered history as one of the most spectacular turn-arounds, the rescue and ascend of Nissan. Ghosn had to take a rain-check:

“I was not ready before. There was a lot of work to be done at Audi, it was a very satisfying and stimulating career I had at Audi.”

This time around, Ghosn had an offer that sounded stimulating to a man who had been in charge of Audi in increasingly important markets: South Africa, Japan, finally the U.S., where de Nysschen was CEO of Audi of America since 2004. In these jobs, he pretty much had to sell what was sent by Ingolstadt. At Infiniti, he can truly mold products and brand.

“To influence the brand from the core was a large part of the attraction. In the US, a key market for Audi, I could get involved in the last 25 percent. The only exception was the forthcoming Audi A3 sedan. That I could influence 100 percent. At Infiniti, I can influence from zero. And that of course is very stimulating. I have always been good at construction businesses, turning around underperforming businesses, molding and holding a brand. Those are my strengths because I get stimulated by it.”

De Nysschen is a native of South Africa, and when he says “good,” it sometimes sounds like it rhymes with “foot.”

De Nysschen and Ghosn share a common vision, and, says de Nysschen, “my contractual agreement with Mr Ghosn was to ultimately deliver on our vision: A tier one premium brand as part of the Nissan stable. A second major revenue and profit stream for the Nissan group.”

It will take time to get there, but de Nysschen brought the time. The 52 year old sees this as “the final chapter in my career – establishing a premium brand is a long term thing. Great brands are not born overnight.”

Most carmakers attempt to replicate the success of Audi. De Nysschen worked for Audi since 1993, right after Ferdinand Piëch took the helm coming from Audi, which he had managed since 1988. When Piëch took over, Audi had an image, sales and profitability worse than Opel, something that is easily forgotten. The brand turned around under Piech’s guidance, and only came into full bloom in the new millennium. De Nysschen knows it took time and hard work, he was there. And that’s why he is at Infiniti.

The Infiniti brand has been around since 1989, but to de Nysschen, it is still “like a toddler.” It is time for Infiniti to grow up, and de Nysschen will be coach and teacher. Like Toyota’s Lexus and Honda’s Acura, Infiniti was fathered by the Plaza Accord, when, after serious rounds of Japan-bashing, the Japanese government was intimidated into allegedly voluntary export restraints. The restraints were unit-based, Japan went upmarket, sold bigger, more expensive cars under new luxury brands, with the unintended consequence of draining the life out of Detroit’s most profitable segments.

“Premium car companies of can be quite profitable,” says de Nysschen, implying that Infiniti could grow up also in this regard. “If you look at the financial performance of BMW, Mercedes and Audi, they are immensely profitable car companies. Audi contributes approximately 40 percent of the total profits of the Volkswagen group. And it comes from a market segment which a Nissan brand cannot reach.”

Growing up to be self-sufficient and successful means that Infiniti must cut the cord from a sometimes overbearing mother Infiniti. He needs to take the same course Piëch took: “Markentrennung,” as it was called during de Nysschen’s Volkswagen times, brand separation. Says de Nysschen:

“The Infiniti brand as it existed until now has really been managed in the same way, in the same philosophy and with the same processes as Nissan. Nissan has been very successful for the mainstream brand. But in a way, ironically, those very same philosophies and processes and policies are also the ones that inhibit success in the premium market. Expectations and requirements for success are fundamentally different. I think the realization has come that that status quo for Infiniti needs to be challenged.”

Of course, this would be easier if, as at Audi, Infiniti would be its own company, with its own factories, R&D, and a boss who becomes group chief and who can put words into action. But with a strong Carlos Ghosn shuttling between Paris and Yokohama, and with Infiniti on its own in Hong Kong and out from under the Nissan coattails, with a little extra effort, it can work. It won’t be the same as at Audi, where de Nysschen, according to lore, banned the word “Volkswagen.”

We need to live out the Infiniti values, and I will work on brand separation. We need brand purity. At the same time, we need to have the protection and support from the Nissan group. We have to be proud that we are Infiniti, that we are separate, that we have our own identity, but we also have to recognize that we would not be successful without the support of Nissan. We need to respect that. There will be a far higher degree of codependence with Nissan than what might have existed in my previous life.”

Tomorrow, we talk about the new cars Infiniti will bring, where they are made, what engines will be in them, and what de Nysschen thinks of the plan to sell half a million by 2016.

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15 Comments on “After Work Talk With Johan de Nysschen, CEO Of Infiniti. Part One...”


  • avatar
    The Doctor

    I didn’t actually read the interview – I was too distracted by the four sexiest photos to have ever graced a TTAC article.

    • 0 avatar
      Roberto Esponja

      ROFL!

    • 0 avatar
      normr

      I can tell you that this guy isn’t making a difference, look at the same lame styling that their FX model has had for over 6 years, look at their crappy attempt at trying to offer the Infinity Personal Assistant (an attempt to try to make an Onstar type of system like GM), even Hyundai’s Blue Link Service is light years ahead, the Infiniti iPhone app is a joke, whereas the Hyundai and GM app lets you do things like unlock your doors, start your vehicle and so much more. The Infiniti app get this folks, helps you make a phone call or an email, yep that’s it.

      They need to put someone in charge who can be a visionary, they have some great technology in the new 2013 JX, but don’t know how to make evolutionary, like do things that let me access some of those features from my smartphone, like letting me access the cameras in te vehicle fom my smartphone if I choose, let me do all the things like the other manufacturers have from their smartphone app but take it even further.

      C’mon this guy looks like someone who has no clue what a smartphone can do, he’s probably carrying a Motorola Razar still

  • avatar
    -Cole-

    I love it when Bertel goes to Hong Kong for us. This is the best website.

  • avatar
    AKM

    Very interesting interview. A great snatch for TTAC! I hope you took pictures of the corner office skyline view

  • avatar
    schmitt trigger

    This article has several golden nuggets. One of them, which I had largely forgotten, was the “voluntary” export quotas from Japan to the US in the late 80s and early 90s. Brought on by lobbysts from both the UAW and Detroit’s big 3.

    This had two unintended consequences; the first, the one mentioned in this article, is the creation of Japanese luxury marques, which cut into Detroit’s profits.
    The second, the increase of Japanese transplants in US soil, has hurt UAW’s membership.

    As the old adage says: “Careful with what you wish for, it may actually be granted to you”.

  • avatar
    icemilkcoffee

    I don’t see how Infiniti could have its own products. The head office is 1000’s of miles away from the actual factory where the products are churned out. It’s not going to work, and it’s not intended to work. Infiniti will continue to be a badge engineered division of Nissan, and all Infiniti cars will continue to be rebadged Nissans.

    • 0 avatar
      Macca

      “…all Infiniti cars will continue to be rebadged Nissans.”

      Except when they’re not. The new JX is a Pathfinder-based model, with entirely unique sheet metal. The FX is a wholly unique model on the FM platform, not even sold in Japan; nor is the unique QX SUV.

      Yes, the G is a Nissan Skyline in Japan, the M is known as the Fuga, and the EX is a Skyline Crossover.

      I would not be surprised to see some further brand separation, although platform sharing will still be evident.

      • 0 avatar
        Vaggo

        Infiniti’s problems stem from some very fundamental and surprising organisational issues.

        Infinti shares all product development with Nissan, it has none of its own engineers. The Infiniti models are Styled independently, but this doesnt translate to engineering downstream. Here, you may get people saying “oh, but engineers are segregated by project and platform, and most infiniti’s are on the almost-excluse-to-infiniti FM platform”…to this I’d say you’re ALMOST right. The truth is that n number of cars are linked together for development and parts sharing, BUT wierdly, this was originally based on the Japanese dealership structure of Nissan rather than brand or vehicle tye.

        Nissan (and other J-OEM’s) have a very odd, almost “sub-branded” dealership structure in the JDM. different vehicles are grouped and sold in different showrooms, in nissan’s case “blue stage” and “red stage” showrooms. So, a lot of the cars in the same showroom are developed together.

        Unfortunately, this means cars like the Murano & infiniti EX end up in the same engineering structure, and hence share WAY too many components. Now, im all for component sharing, but not when its common touch points for the customer like infotainment controls and even the Key.

        If you notice, VW and Audi share a LOT more in engineering terms than say a Nissna Maxima and Infiniti G, but NOTHING that will be touched or perceived by the customer is common.

        Nissan in general hasnt committed to either a brand-focused approach or a platform-team approach to vehicle development, it has a wierd mishmash of the two with very inconsistent results. Things that should be consistent arent, and those that shouldn’t be similar are glaringly identical between vehicles of widely varying segments.

      • 0 avatar
        corntrollio

        The 2011 and later QX56 is based on the Nissan Patrol (with different sheetmetal), so it’s not unique. The previous QX56 was Nissan Armada-based, and before that, the QX was the Pathfinder-based QX4.

        The new JX looks more Pathfinder-like than I would have thought it would.

        As to Infiniti models sharing a lot with Nissan models, I’d agree with Vaggo. The first generation (in the US) Infiniti G had basically the exact same switchgear and a few other items as the Nissan Maxima. When riding in my friend’s Maxima, it was disconcerting how much my “luxury” G had in common with it. Audi manages to better differentiate its interiors from the more humble VW. Even the Infiniti keyfob looked identical to Nissan, whereas Audi and VW fobs have different shapes.

        The first generation G might be a bad example, however. They changed as little from JDM as possible when bringing it to the US. Annoyingly, the radio knob and nav joystick were on the right-side of the car instead of on the left-side because they were originally meant to be convenient for JDM RHD vehicles. This was a bad oversight in a luxury vehicle. The second generation fixed some of the quibbles I had, although it was a lot more expensive. Other first generation “luxury” cars were similar — e.g. the first gen Lexus ES vs. the Toyota Camry.

  • avatar
    Junebug

    Let’s wait and see about all that, my bet is that it will work. Already, their cars are as good or better if you care about having to pay for maintenance vs BMW. All they need is the snob appeal.

    • 0 avatar
      tatracitroensaab

      Yeah, Infiniti if I’m not mistaken already does well on Consumer Reports. I think that the real problem was a weak introduction. Infiniti products were frankly ignored by the public during the 90s. Now, it seems that their line up has improved and they have a unique styling identity, but their image is still not where it should be. What brought up Audi to the top was good styling and interiors coupled with enough differentiation from VW. In order for Infiniti to be brought up to German (or at least Lexus) levels of prestige, it needs to have some fantastic products. Not just good, but fantastic (like first gen LS)

      • 0 avatar
        Macca

        ^ Spot on. I think you can trace Infiniti’s lack of present-day brand cache back to their semi-failed launch and the ‘lost decade’ that followed. In some respects, it’s amazing that the brand survived.

        The flagship Q really was a great car; even then Nissan knew they wanted Infiniti to offer a more sporting version of luxury, which hadn’t yet caught on as it is now. There were plenty of oddities through the 90s, though, like the first M30, the strangely proportioned J30, and the unloved but great G20.

        The G35 (Skyline) put Infiniti on the map for many enthusiasts, but it was tough to overcome a decade+ of unloved semi-obscure models and just downright strange ones. I’d argue the current lineup is pretty darn competitive in each segment, if not slightly underrated at times.

        As a whole, it seems to be a brand that is often derided by the B&B on this site, which has puzzled me since it offers the more enthusiast-oriented Japanese luxury cars available. Almost the antithesis to Lexus.


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