By on July 19, 2012

AutoGuide states that

In many ways, the 1LE is to the Camaro SS what the Boss 302 is to the Mustang GT.

Sure, and in many ways Silver Side Up was to Nickelback what Zep II was to Jimmy Page and the rest of the boys. And just like Silver Side Up, the Camaro keeps selling like there’s probably no tomorrow, and certainly no trackday tomorrow. Let’s see what 1LE customers will get.

Want to know what “1LE” is all about? Go visit this Angelfire page. Quick, before Angelfire collapses into a black hole of archaic irrelevance or something like that. The original 1LE cars were SCCA-focused ass-kickers. This one? Well, you will get

FE6 suspension package which includes thicker front and rear sway bars, a strut tower brace, toe links, rear shock mounts, monotube dampers, upgraded half-shafts and wheel bearings sourced from the ZL1 model. 20-inch wheels wrapped with Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperCar tires finish off the package.

The drivetrain also sees some upgrades with a 3.91:1 rear-axle ratio and an updated close-ratio variant of the Tremec six-speed manual transmission. Lastly, the automaker also throws in a transmission cooler and high-flow fuel pump.

As for aesthetics, the 1LE model is differentiated from its brethren with a black finish on the hood and wheels. Climbing inside the cabin, microsuede accents are seen on the steering wheel and shift knob, again borrowed from the ZL1.

This strikes me as a Camaro “GrandSport”. The Corvette GS, of course, is a Z06 without the handmade engine or expensive aluminum chassis. This is a ZL1 without the engine but with most of the cosmetics. It’s not a BOSS 302, which is an extremely focused vehicle even if you don’t spring for the Laguna Seca package.

One area where credit must be given: the Camaro 1LE, like the SS, uses the more expensive Mexican-assembled Tremec 6060 which Ford saves for the Shelby GT500. If you’re hard on transmissions, or expect to add significant power through the limitless small-block-Chevy aftermarket, it’s enough for us to recommend the Camaro over the Mustang. Everybody else… we’ll see you at the Ford store.

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91 Comments on “The Camaro 1LE Wants To Be The BOSS Of You...”


  • avatar
    GS650G

    The should install a periscope to see out of the car, the windows are not useful in that regard.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      I was going to comment that the ability to SEE the racetrack is probably beneficial to ones laptimes.

      I’d take a Mustang any day and twice on Sunday. Even with the cheesy Chinese tranny.

    • 0 avatar
      dolorean

      And a pintel for the Ma Duece .50 CAL. It’s darker in there than a German Axis Ardennes pillbox

    • 0 avatar
      mnm4ever

      I guess it is all about perspective. When I drove the Mustang and Camaro, I found it easier to see out of the Camaro, it also felt immediately comfortable in the Camaro vs. the Mustang, which I had to really get used to. Of course, I am only 5’6″, which probably explains why guys who are 6’+ complain about them… LOL

      • 0 avatar
        dolorean

        mnm4ever, I think you may have something there. I’m 6’2″ and 180 lbs and now that I think about it, the people I know who have driven both or own one or the other do seem to be height specific. The shorter and wider seem to love the Camaro. The taller and lankier tend to hate it.

        I really wanted to like the Camaro. It’s essentially a Holden brought from the land of Oz and a country that I adore, but I just-don’t-like-it. To me its not comfortable, I can’t see out of it especially in reverse, its painful to park, my head reaches the head liner, the switchgear is not tuned to my long reach and getting in and out of it I scraped or bumped my head every time. I don’t have this problem with the Mustang.

        Its just my experience, others may vary.

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        I know a woman that test drove a new Camaro and at 5’1″, she could hardly see over the steering wheel.

        She not so reluctantly bought a Mustang.

        I realize GM was doing the best they could to make a Commodore platform look cool, but interested buyers that aren’t between 5’4″ and 5’10” will probably buy something else.

      • 0 avatar
        Les

        I’, 6′-even and my first and last time I test-drove a Mustang I instantly swore-off of Mustangs because an aesthetic design decision to not put a shoulder-strap guide on the seatback left the shoulder belt laying directly across my throat.

      • 0 avatar
        mnm4ever

        First off, I may be short but I definitely NOT wide! :)

        I drove a few of each car. A base Mustang GT without power seats was difficult for me to be comfortable right off the bat, though I got used to it. Then I tried one with power seats, and it was much better because I could crank them up higher. My only thought on the 5’1″ woman was that she got one with power seats, no way she could see better out of a base Mustang than a base Camaro. The Camaros we drove didnt require any adjustments, I instantly felt comfortable, which was strange because I expected to not be able to see out of them at all because of all I read about it.

        I still liked the Mustang better, I can get used to it.

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        She has the base Mustang, but the difference is the Camaro’s high beltline. Now if Camaro’s came with power-seats standard on base models, it might make all the difference.

    • 0 avatar
      bkmurph

      Yes, the Camaro is a patently silly vehicle, with its tiny greenhouse and toy-car interior.

  • avatar
    stryker1

    I think the styling looks like 10 tons of ugly piled on a 2 ton car.

  • avatar

    I came upon a 700+ HP Camaro the other day. RWD with that kid of power just isn’t good enough. You really need AWD.

  • avatar
    multicam

    The Getrag MT-82 continues to be the Achilles’ heel of the otherwise excellent Mustang.

    Still, I’ll take the BOSS over this any day.

    • 0 avatar

      contrary to internet exaggeration, the MT82 has actually proven to be a very competent and durable transmission. there are many street-strip cars running 600-700HP at the rear tires through these tranmissions without ANY problems.
      the issues with the MT82 are purely quality control – not design nor durability problems. it was obviously most prevalent in the ’11s and still more common than it should’ve been in the ’12s, but the issues are rarely showing up in the ’13s. they’ve all but gone away in new mustangs.
      either way, there’s no reason to look for a TR6060 if you’re going to be “hard” on the transmission or increase HP, as the MT82 CAN take that beating. as long as it’s not showing the unfortunate QC issues before hand…

      • 0 avatar
        FromaBuick6

        As somebody who had one of the quality-challeneged MT-82s, I’ll vouch for the design itself being a very good one. Shame about it being built by people who didn’t care and being put into a car by a manufacturer with a long track record of using substandard/defective lowest-bidder components and stonewalling on fixes unless something catches fire. It’s pretty pathetic that it took two years for Ford to (mostly) deal with the problem.

        The transmission was by no means a deal-breaker (and not the reason I no longer have the car), but it combined with my car’s indifferent assembly and pathetic paint quality to sour me on owning another Ford product.

        I’d still take any Mustang over any Camaro, any day of the week. The Camaro is a rolling cartoon.

      • 0 avatar
        multicam

        I agree completely, as my Mustang (2012) hasn’t had serious problems with the transmission (just some notchiness and it stuck every once in a while when it was cold). What I meant by that was that the perception is the reality. So whatever the severity of the problem, it’ll still deter a sale here and there.

  • avatar
    mbaruth

    I feel really sad that I bought a Boss 302 when I could have waited for…oh hell, I couldn’t even finish typing that sentence without laughing. Who’s going to buy this?

  • avatar
    MarkP

    Yellow with a black hood? That’s the same color scheme as the 1971 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe I bought back in 1973. I had the hood repainted yellow as soon as I could.

  • avatar
    Speed Spaniel

    How about a PlaySkool interior delete option?

    • 0 avatar
      racer-esq.

      It has a nicer interior than the Ford or the Dodge, at least in my opinion. Other than the horrible lack of headroom. The Ford and Dodge are much more “PlaySkool”. The Mustang is particularly interesting because the low trim level Mustangs come with a dash panel that looks pretty decent, a dark metallic piece of plastic with interesting texturing (I think this is what the BOSS gets), while the same panel is rattle can silver in higher levels of trim.

      The super tuned up version of a car is never going to have a price competitive interior. The M3 interior looks like crap compared to similarly priced cars.

    • 0 avatar
      racer-esq.

      It has a nicer interior than the Ford or the Dodge, at least in my opinion. Other than the horrible lack of headroom. The Ford and Dodge are much more “PlaySkool”. The Mustang is particularly interesting because the cheap Mustang comes with a dash panel that looks pretty decent, a dark metallic piece of plastic with interesting texturing (I think this is what the BOSS gets), while the same panel is rattle can silver in higher levels of trim.

      The super tuned up version of a car is never going to have a price competitive interior. The M3 interior looks like crap compared to similarly priced cars.

    • 0 avatar
      racer-esq.

      It has a nicer interior than the Ford or the Dodge, at least in my opinion. Other than the horrible lack of headroom. The Ford and Dodge are much more “PlaySkool”. The Mustang is particularly interesting because the cheap Mustang comes with a dash panel that looks pretty decent, a dark metallic piece of plastic with interesting texturing (I think this is what the BOSS gets), while the same panel is rattle can silver in higher levels of trim.

      The super tuned up version of a car is never going to have a price competitive interior. The M3 interior looks pretty weak compared to similarly priced cars.

  • avatar
    racer-esq.

    The Mustang V6 is a huge bargain, but if you want to go to the track, and are spending $40K plus, why not just get a Corvette instead of screwing around?

    I’m 6’2″. I can sit up straight in a tiny Corvette. I cannot sit up straight in a fat pig Camaro. WTF GM?

    Limit the options and you can get a Challenger R/T with the 6-speed tremec for about $30,000. It comes in a lot of good colors, but you should probably get white. That is really the only upsell I would go for over a V6 Mustang.

    • 0 avatar
      dolorean

      “The Mustang V6 is a huge bargain, but if you want to go to the track, and are spending $40K plus, why not just get a Corvette instead of screwing around?”

      Not sure that’s true. I’ve priced a V6 online and at the dealer for about $32K with the track package and summer tires. Much cheaper than a ‘Vette. And better on the insurance/gas wallet than a GT.

      • 0 avatar
        racer-esq.

        The “sticker” for a V6 Mustang with the performance package is $24,990. When I was looking into it a dealer offered to order me one for about a grand less. Obviously if you can find one in stock you can probably get an even better deal.

        It is a HUGE bargain. I am not comparing it to a $49,600 MSRP Corvette (which dealers will still be happy to give you a deal on).

        A Boss 302 on the other hand is $42,995 MSRP (and the dealers think they have a pretty hot item).

        They make about the same power (the Boss has a 14 HP advantage, the Corvette has a 44 LB-FT advantage), the Vette has a 400 pound weight advantage, despite a heavier, better built transmission, and the Corvette has a roof that comes off. Plus nobody is going to think your Corvette is a V6 Mustang. That’s what I don’t really get about these $40K + Camaros/Mustangs/Challengers. At least the ones that claim to be track cars.

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        I just drove both a new SS Camaro six speed convertible (friends new car) and a 2013 rental Mustang convertible. The Mustang is pretty fast, but it is missing two things the Camaro offers in spades: A hard torque rich launch and the the awesome growl. Mash the gas in the V6 Mustang and you roll off the line, then lunge forward, the automatic snapping off shifts at 7K RPM. Yeah, it moves, but it still leave you wanting for something, and that is the feel and sound of a V8. I expect to read some stupid mullet/redneck comments and already some have delivered. But these cars are pretty damn awesome. My ultimate Camaro would have real visibility and about 600 pounds less weight, and a better quality dash. But even as it sits it is pretty damn cool.

      • 0 avatar
        mbaruth

        You do realize that the Mustang GT, Boss 302, and Shelby GT500 have V8s, right?

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        yes, if you are referring to me. Often somebody will talk about the speed of the six and having just had a back to back with one of each, I just pointed out that actual speed is only part of the equation, especially when it comes to these cars…

    • 0 avatar
      nrd515

      White?

      Why would anyone want a white Challenger or any other car that color? Boring. It was one of the colors I said, “Hell no!” to when I was car shopping. It was Hemi Orange for me. I wanted Detonator Yellow, but couldn’t find one optioned correctly.

      • 0 avatar
        mnm4ever

        Because of the movie Vanishing Point. If you bought a Challenger, I would hope you know about the movie and the history.

        Although I would have gotten the hemi orange too… great color on that car, especially with the RT Classic stripes.

    • 0 avatar
      kkop

      I’m 6’4″.

      Enjoying my TREMEC-6060 equipped $26.8K Header Orange Challenger every day.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    Fake carbon hoods are something that you’ll find on a $700 Craigslist beater, not exactly something that I want on a Camaro SS-S.

    • 0 avatar
      Steve65

      You’re under 30, aren’t you?

      (Hint: flat black ≠ “fake carbon”)

    • 0 avatar
      racer-esq.

      Yeah, it’s fake primer, not fake carbon fiber reinforced plastic. Jeez, get it straight.

      • 0 avatar
        Steve65

        It has nothing to do with “fake carbon” or “fake primer” or “fake” anything else. Although since this is primarily intended as a street car the blackout hood is more fashion statement than practical application, the purpose is anti-glare. Take a look at just about any photo of an aluminum-skin fighter plane from WWII. Same blacked out panel in front of the pilot. And there was a time when it was common in roadracing as well.

        Learn to know what you’re talking about. It’s far more convincing, and far more interesting. And you might even learn something.

    • 0 avatar

      Egregiously agree. Flat black is for entire cars. When it’s on a part or two, it just looks like crappy aftermarket.

    • 0 avatar
      mda36

      Certainly not fake carbon fiber, as has been pointed out. They’re just copying what has been done in the past with performance pony cars.

      http://www.allpar.com/photos/dodge/challenger/TA.jpg

  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    When I hear “LE” I think, old Camry with power windows/locks and the Benz-like tilting headrests

    I don’t see why folks are against this car. I mean yea the view out is abysmal. But it might rock the 302’s world.

  • avatar
    suspekt

    I was given a 1994 Camaro Z28 in 1998 as a graduation present. God bless my parents. I was 18 at the time and probably not the best choice of car for a young auto enthusiast. But man, 4.11 gears and an uncorked LT1 motor sounded amazing!!!

    I fell in love with the Camaro when I first laid eyes on it in a 1993 Motor Trend (or was it C/D???) comparo of the then new Camaro against a 1993 Mustang GT.

    On a set of Goodyear GSC tires (amazing tread pattern btw), the 6 speed manual version was running 5.7 sec 0-60 with a 275hp LT1 motor…

    at any rate, the thing I hated about the car was the interior…

    the thing that keeps from even bothering to look at used 2010 or newer Camaro’s is the interior…. It was DISGUSTING as a concept. I dearly hoped they were joking and would bring something simple to market… but no, the F-body interior curse had to continue…

    why not just make it simple and clean???? Why????

    I like the Camaro. I think it looks great. Size be dammed. I thinl the ZL1 wheels are perfect in their style and compliment the Camaro very well…. I would love to park an ess-ess in my driveway but I know the interior would make me sick….

    If I were in the market for one of these muscle cars, it would be a very hard decision… in the end, I suspekt I would be drawn to the high-revving ability of the coyote 5.0…. I wont even test drive one because I dont want to know what I am missing…

    • 0 avatar
      DPerkins

      I agree with you on the interior. Horrible, and it looks even cheaper with the new navigation screen glued on.

      I am a prime candidate for this car, but I will not buy one until it loses weight and gets a proper interior.

      I want a 7/8 scale Camaro, perhaps the next version built on the lighter ATS platform will be the one to buy.

    • 0 avatar
      nrd515

      I’ve owned two Camaros(’78 and ’86), and a ’79 Trans Am. I think the current Camaro is just a mess, inside and out. The front of the car is ok, but from the doors back…what a mess. The interior now is better, much better than the first year’s by far, but it’s still ugly. When it comes time to replace my Challenger, I hope GM makes a Camaro that doesn’t turn my stomach when I look at it.

      • 0 avatar
        mnm4ever

        The rear of the Challenger has pretty much exactly the same design as the Camaro, actually both cars have pretty much the same shape, albeit with different details. But ‘a mess”? If you wanted something different you should have gone with the Mustang.

  • avatar
    philadlj

    Hmm…ten of twelve comments so far express a negative opinion on the Camaro, so I’ll go ahead and offer a positive one:

    Not bad. If someone let me drive it, I would. And I’d probably have a gas.

    I remember the dark times when there was no Camaro on sale, nor Challenger.

    I’m not one to cast aspersions against such great and noble road beasts.

    • 0 avatar
      Toucan

      > Hmm…ten of twelve comments so far express a negative opinion on the
      > Camaro

      Exactly. Why there is so much backlash against this car? Am I the only one thinking the Camaro is GREAT?

      It carries one-off looks, and has been put into production in nearly unchanged concept form. It starts cheap and give lots of car (a unique, beautiful one) for the money. No dead axle too!

      I believe majority just enjoys criticizing. It gives them that desired “I know better” feel.

      • 0 avatar
        FromaBuick6

        “I believe (the) majority just enjoys criticizing. It gives them that desired ‘I know better’ feel.”

        To me, nothing says “I know better” more than dismissing people’s valid criticisms as the manifestation of some psychological defect.

      • 0 avatar
        mbaruth

        It took GM several years to produce a Camaro that looked anything like the concept. The “looks” of this car are universally considered to be dreadful. It’s less powerful than a Boss and two hundred pounds heavier.

        Oh wait, you’re the guy who called the Panamera “STUNNING!!!!!1″ in another thread. Never mind.

      • 0 avatar
        Ryoku75

        Unique, except for the fact that almost everyones driving one around.

      • 0 avatar
        86SN2001

        The Camaro is great…partly because it doesn’t have styling that is on the same level as a bowl of cold oatmeal like the Mustang.

        The Mustang is the Camry of the muscle cars…it’s so watered down.

      • 0 avatar
        dolorean

        “The Camaro is great…partly because it doesn’t have styling that is on the same level as a bowl of cold oatmeal like the Mustang.

        The Mustang is the Camry of the muscle cars…it’s so watered down.”

        You obviously havent driven the two. The Camaro is a dark cavern while fast, wallows in corners, has lumpy-where-you-dont-want-it and flat-where-you-do seating and has the usual “let you down” interior. The Mustang fit and feel regardless of trim exudes better quality and its driving dynamics are almost sublime for a car under $35K. The Camaro and Challenger are much more similiar.

  • avatar
    suspekt

    What would sway me to buy a camaro though…
    = (1LE – LS3 + LS7)

  • avatar
    racingmaniac

    Might be a competitive stock Autocross Camaro….close ratio box with sports suspension and the lack of power adder probably is less of an issue….sorta how I view the GS Vette too…

  • avatar
    galloping_gael

    Great use of alt text…

  • avatar
    "scarey"

    You all need to get spellcheckers. It helps make your meanings much clearer. I read the first 6 comments and thought WTF ?

  • avatar
    NorthwestT

    dolorean, sounds like Joe Dirt, but I think he’s got a Regal.

  • avatar

    i don’t understand why GM didn’t just grow a pair of balls, build a Z28 with the MSRC suspension and LS7??? this is the same sackless move that gave us the ZL1 with the limited potential and VERY heat soak prone(why else do you think GM held their press day in 40 degree temparatures? not a coincidence) LSA instead of the LS9.

    of course, GM doesn’t care about the enthusiast, just the car sales. apparently 20″ wheels and blockbuster cameo roles sell over a truly performance focused and true “street & track” design. the 2013 GT500 is absolutely wiping the floor with the ZL1 in damn near every single performance metric – including 2 of 3 road course comparisons(C&D claims a “tie” at grattan) – while the ZL1 is winning all of these comparisons because of “ride quality”. i’m expecting similar results with the boss 302 vs 1LE.
    http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac172/Gradeau/ShelbyvsZL1summary.jpg

    • 0 avatar
      hubcap

      I understand your anger and frustration. Scuttlebutt is that a Z28 will make an appearance after the Camaro moves to the Alpha platform (which I believe is scheduled to happen in 2013).

      Hopefully, the things you, I, and every other enthusiast wanted from the current car will be addressed in a package weighing about 3300 lbs.

      The way I see it, the next crop of pony/muscle cars will be very, very good.

      We’ll have a smaller, lighter Mustang with IRS. The Camaro moving to the Alpha platform with hopefully a redesign inside and out. Last but not least the SRT Barracuda which will be a true Mustang fighter—according to SRT—much lighter and smaller than the Challenger with performance to match.

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      …GM doesn’t care about the enthusiast, just the car sales…

      A car company that cares about making sales versus the fringe enthusiasts that buy strictly for performance, you know, like 2% of the buyers that walk into the average car dealership?

      SAY IT ISN’T SOOOOOO!!!

      • 0 avatar

        2013 ford mustang shelby GT500
        ford mustang boss 302
        ford F150 raptor

        all three vehicles are a sales success AND cater to the enthusiast(the raptor especially). these two ideas aren’t mutually exclusive. at least team corvette understands this, the Z06 Z07 package is a work of art!
        it’s easy to cherry pick phrases and miss the entire point.

    • 0 avatar
      Les

      I read the C&D compro, says that the GT500 would’ve blitzed the ZL-1 on the road course except the driver lacked confidence using all it’s power due to the numb steering.. in fact that seems to be the one consistent criticism C&D has for the modern Mustang in all it’s variations, numb steering.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    Ford will counter this, Chevy will counter that; people who don’t own or drive these cars will talk endless smack on the internet, whilst the real owners of both cars will drive around with smiles on their faces. Good enough for me.

  • avatar
    mikey

    Sometimes its great to be an old guy. The local dealer has a new 2011 Camaro SS. I asked if could have a look and they slapped a dealer plate on it and let me take it for a ride.

    43 years of driving, and nothing ever set my heart beating faster.

    I’m still shaking.

  • avatar
    dougjp

    Isn’t it high time the Camaro gets replaced with an entirely new car, much lighter, frequent complaints about the interior and visibility solved etc. I’m not sure what good it does to divert any resources towards this one by making an additional model. Put a fork in it…..

    • 0 avatar
      hubcap

      It’s coming. The car is scheduled to move to GM’s new Alpha platform in 2013 (I think). Hopefully they’ll give both the interior and exterior a redo.

      • 0 avatar
        Les

        The current crop of Alpha Platform cars that I know of are the upcoming Cadillac ATS, which has a V-6 as it’s most ‘muscular’ offering.. and the somewhat Camaro-ish looking ‘Code’ concept car, which is motivated by a turbo-4.

        Is there even room for a V-8 in that architecture, or will the upcoming Alpha Camaro be the first of many nails in the coffin of the V-8 era?

    • 0 avatar
      WheelMcCoy

      Re: visibility

      Solved with a convertible! :)

      I rented a Camaro V6 convertible recently and with the top up, visibility was poor and judging the front corners took practice. To learn the four corners of the car, whenever I encountered speed bumps, I would maneuver one tire between them and the curb.

      The back seat was also claustrophobic. But with the top down, the car nearly was perfect. Twice at stoplights, strangers complimented me on “my” car.

      BTW, I really wanted the V6 Mustang convertible, but Alamo was all out.

  • avatar
    Sky_Render

    No car that comes with 20″ wheels is “track ready.”

    Jus’ sayin’.

    • 0 avatar
      loj

      Nobody buys a $40k+ Camaro or Mustang as a “track car”, anyway.

      It’s folly to put a car that you can’t replace with cash onto a road course and complete insanity to do so with a car you don’t own outright. These are cars you buy to impress your buddies and to occasionally drive like a jackass on the street. They’ll clock more hours on a dyno than on a road course and more hours accumulating glassy coats of Zaino than either.

  • avatar
    zamoti

    It is entertaining how much people enjoy hating on the Camaro. In terms of the criticism, you hear that it needs to be lighter and faster with better visibility. Last time I checked, the General does make that car–it’s called a Corvette. Instead of wishing that the Camaro is a Corvette, why not just take some enjoyment in that GM makes a poor-man’s Corvette for normal people who will never likely use it on a track. I’ve driven the SS for a little while and I had a blast! The acceleration is violent, the sound is fansastic and with those two virtues in mind, you quickly forget about the interior. Having been in a good handful of rental cars in the past months I’ve a decent perspective to judge an interior. While the Camaro is not anywhere near the best, it’s really not as horrible as everyone makes it out to be. It’s a muscle car, not a luxury car.
    Handling could be a little better, but again, I doubt that most owners will take this to a track. Even if they did, most of us mortals probably couldn’t drive to it’s full potential anyway. My only “real” test was a 90mph sprint from 270w to 315s outside of Columbus and while it held on, I can say that I would NOT do that again, at least not without some spare trousers.
    For the critisim that it’s ugly, well sure. It may be ugly, but at least it’s a different ugly. With so many appliancemobiles on the road at least when you see this mug roll up behind you, there’s no doubt what it is.
    Oh and I had no issues seeing out of it, but I’m not very tall. I guess we have the same old news that tall people don’t fit in a sporty car yet again. In other news, dogs bark, birds fly and babies cry. Boo hoo tall guy, now do something useful like get that box of pasta off the top kitchen shelf and dust the ceiling fan when you’re finished!

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me, the exterior of the Camaro is pure sex on wheels. The car looks hot. Inside is a letdown on two fronts. One, the style is not attractive and the functionality is compromised. Two, the quality of the materials is just not what it should be. I don’t understand why GM does not decided that it will become known as the make with better than expected interiors. The investment would pay off.

      Another thing that should be noted is that many changes were made to the SS Camaros’s suspension. With all the development that went into the ZL1, many suspension improvements went into the “lesser” cars. So much so that CD was quite impressed by the improvement in the car, especially as it is driven near the limit. All that fun killing understeer is gone….


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