By on April 5, 2012

Subaru debuted their new compact crossover and their refreshed Legacy and Outback. As you’re probably already aware, the changes to Subaru’s mid size mainstays are more than superficial. However, they’re not very dramatic.

The new DOHC Boxer 4 is good for a 1mpg improvement on the highway. The biggest news from an enthusiast standpoint is that the 2.5GT model is making a quiet exit. Another manual transmission notes the dust.

The Subaru XV compact crossover slots in where the previous Impreza-based Outback Sport once fit. Boasting the same ground clearance of the Outback with a smaller footprint, the XV should suit the northeastern SAAB replacement buyer quite nicely.

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16 Comments on “New York 2012: Subaru XV Debuts, Legacy 2.5GT Gone...”


  • avatar
    Ubermensch

    Another slow CUV with bad handling. If Subaru put a turbo in this I _might_ be interested. Although, I am a sucker for an orange car.

  • avatar
    Philosophil

    I’m a sucker for orange as well.

    I must be one of the few people on this site who thinks the recent proliferation of small crossovers is a good thing. Keep ‘em coming, I’d say.

  • avatar
    johnhowington

    i think it looks great, but i am also disappointed that it essentially is a shrunken outback. they could have done better, as goofy as subaru designs USED to be.

    • 0 avatar
      Ubermensch

      Rather than a shrunken Outback, it is just an Impreza hatch on stilts, which is _exactly_ what it is.

      • 0 avatar
        missinginvlissingen

        Honest question: when Subaru puts a car “on stilts”, does the suspension get ruggedized in a meaningful way?

        In other words, _besides the extra ground clearance_, could an XV (or Forester) actually handle terrain or abuse that an Impreza should avoid? Can an Outback endure things the Legacy should avoid?

        Also, I would like to call this car the “Subaru Fifteen.” Any objections?

  • avatar
    ronhawk62

    I used to own one of the goofy looking ones, I think the new one looks great.

  • avatar
    grzydj

    This whole article is a bit discombobulated and a bit misleading, a Subaru content tradition at TTAC. At least the editors here are consistent.

    First off, you state that Subaru is debuting their new crossover and their refreshed Legacy and Outback. Refreshed may be a bit disingenuous, as the Legacy and Outback are both receiving considerably newer engine technology (about 20 years newer) and a reconfigured CVT. The FB engine that replaces the EJ series may have the same piston configuration, but that’s it.

    You state that this is good for 1 mpg improvement on the highway, but it makes it sound like that is an improvement for the XV as well, which has a 2.0 version of the FB engine, not the 2.5 liter that the Legacy and Outback get. That and the XV didn’t exist before, so clumping it in the same sentence makes it sound as though it is getting 1 mpg better than it was before. (?)

    As for the departing Legacy GT, it is a shame for enthusiasts, but it the BRZ that falls in line behind it, also comes with a manual gearbox, so that’s more of a draw, even though they’re in entirely different classes. The Legacy GT enjoyed about 1% of the hype that the BRZ has been garnering for about the last half decade or so, so maybe that was part of the low sales equation for the Legacy GT, or perhaps Subaru thought it would be best to devote all of their energy to the BRZ instead of the GT. That’s pure speculation on my point.

    SAAB buyers crossing over to a Subaru crossover? Do current or former SAAB drivers often steer towards crossovers as a replacement for their orphaned brand that featured primarily FWD turbo charged sedans or hatches? Interesting speculation on the behalf of the author, but kind of comes out of nowhere.

    Keep up the mediocre Subaru reporting TTAC.

    • 0 avatar

      We are at war with Oceania. We’ve always been at war with Oceania.

    • 0 avatar
      grzydj

      @Derek

      It’s embarrassing to read though. This is Autoblog level of journalism, or blogging, or whatever you want to call it.

      • 0 avatar

        That’s fine, and I have no problem accepting that criticism about the work done here. It’s always valid and myself and the others are listening. I can’t stand to read that we at TTAC have some kind of bias for/or against an automaker. Not only is it false, none of us really care enough about a particular OEM to cheerlead for a faceless corporation that doesn’t value us beyond our pocketbooks.

      • 0 avatar
        grzydj

        TTAC has a long track record of mucking up anything Subaru related, even on Piston Slap.

        I’m not saying you have a bias against Subaru, it’s just that you seem to be uninformed about the brand as a whole.

      • 0 avatar

        *shrug* I was brought home from the hospital in a GL Turbo wagon. I’ll probably be getting an Outback as my next daily driver. Living in the snow belt, with a wide, well supported network of dealers and independent repair shops they meet my needs. But like any car, they have their flaws.

      • 0 avatar
        Ooshley

        @grzydj
        Yes, it is a bit of a ‘meh’ article, but I think you’re suffering from confirmation bias.

        Something on TTAC about Subaru has clearly rubbed you up the wrong way, now you’re hypersensitive, and perceiving slights where there are none.

  • avatar
    Speed Spaniel

    Seems like that really terrible orange marbly plood in the previous Outback has been replaced with just really bad plood. See? There’s always room for improvement!!

  • avatar
    bkmurph

    The last Impreza Outback Sport was basically an Impreza hatchback with different paint, larger wheels (17″ vs. 16″), lower-profile tires, different seat fabric, and faux skid plates — but no noticeable increase in ride height or ruggedness. The new Sport trim level on the Impreza picks up where the last Outback Sport left off: different paint, wheels, trim, and fabric; but nearly the same ride height as the standard Impreza hatchback. I like the new XV because it shows a more earnest effort to create a rugged spinoff that’s appreciably different from the Impreza on which it’s based.


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