Quote Of The Day: Victor Muller On Line One

Bertel Schmitt
by Bertel Schmitt

“So what exactly do you suggest, that we sit around here and post absolutely nothing because we might not want to fuel the flame??? I for one find this very interesting and will continue to report on things that […]”

Saabsunited Chief Tim Rokka on December 10, 2011

“SaabsUnited will just as a few months ago when the politics surrounding Saab started to get out of hand, take a step back to observe rather than report on what is going on. We will continue to report on facts and about issues we find fun and beneficial for the Saab Community!”

Saabsunited Chief Tim Rokka on December 10, 2011, after wiping days of reporting and hundreds of comments from the blog, leaving space for reports on brake kits, Saabs at the Nobel ceremony, and lighting the candle in Paris.

Bertel Schmitt
Bertel Schmitt

Bertel Schmitt comes back to journalism after taking a 35 year break in advertising and marketing. He ran and owned advertising agencies in Duesseldorf, Germany, and New York City. Volkswagen A.G. was Bertel's most important corporate account. Schmitt's advertising and marketing career touched many corners of the industry with a special focus on automotive products and services. Since 2004, he lives in Japan and China with his wife <a href="http://www.tomokoandbertel.com"> Tomoko </a>. Bertel Schmitt is a founding board member of the <a href="http://www.offshoresuperseries.com"> Offshore Super Series </a>, an American offshore powerboat racing organization. He is co-owner of the racing team Typhoon.

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  • SilverHawk SilverHawk on Dec 11, 2011

    Until the drama surrounding the GM sale of Saab, Saabsunited was your normal fan site, providing a good place to discuss all aspects of their favorite brand. Since the sale, Tim Rokka & Co. have chosen to devote every waking minute to the defense of the new ownership. With a total lack of understanding as to how the industry works, they have, time and again, embarrassed themselves in defense of the embarrassments that Muller has put the brand through. Rokka obviously believed that he had no choice but to support the current regime in the interest of Saab's survival, above everything else. Maybe down deep inside, he felt the new owner was financially at risk from the very start, and the business plan was flawed. Only he knows. I really hope so, because they have turned the site into a Victor Muller fanzine, with diminishing relevance to the Saab ownership experience. Whether Saab continues or not, the true fans now deserve a better place to share their interest in the brand that they enjoy.

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    • Moosex Moosex on Dec 12, 2011

      Hear, hear!

  • Jeff_vader Jeff_vader on Dec 12, 2011

    Here would my reflections on what happened at SaabsUnited over the weekend. 1.) Someone,somewhere leaked that document to SaabsUnited and therefore it came across the desk of TimR. 2.) TimR, thinking that it will help the cause & having consulted his 'legal team', posts it up on the site as yet another excuse to bash Lofalk & praise Victor. 3.) Someone at Youngman sees their private bank transfer document up on basically a Saab fanzine site and they are not best pleased. In fact I would imagine they are furious. 4.) The people who are paying the bills at SaabsUnited get on the blower to TimR & suggest that although he might have been only trying to help, posting a confidential document on a public website which is actually made out to a company only part owned by Saab/SWAN might not be a good way to encourage Youngman that Saab/SWAN is a trustworthy company to do business with. 5.) TimR panics and removes absolutely anything to do with the Re-Organisation and efforts to save the company probably on the advice of someones legal team who actually know what they are doing. I think that this morning Mr Tim better have his tin helmet on because I would have thought that Youngman will be very keen to have a chat with him about where he got that document from. With this and the constant Lofalk bashing on Friday, including accusations that he was a government stooge and was taking bribes, I suspect that The Church Of The One True Saab have done far more damage than good to the cause over the last 72 hours.

    • Bertel Schmitt Bertel Schmitt on Dec 12, 2011

      This scenario rings true with the caveat that a.) Leaks are usually intentional b.) SU prides itself of unfettered access to the unholy inner sanctum of Saab. I am sure that the leakees have received more than an earful, and what we have seen is hurried damage control on a listing ship. T/T confirms are usually sent accountant-to-accountant with the understanding that nobody else sees them. If, as alleged, the document was sent to Guy Lofalk, then matters change, as the document now goes into the court records anyway. I reiterate that the document in question is not a transfer confirm, it is a request for transfer. What you want to see is the confirm from the bank that the wire has actually been exercised. Even that does not always guarantee that the money arrives. It usually does, but the final confirm is a ledger entry at the receiving bank. Be it as it may, if the aforementioned scenario is true, then the sending party could be unhappy to hear that while the referencing article on SU has been wiped clean, the cover-up was clumsy. As noted above, the referenced document is still accessible on the Saabsunited.com server under http://www.saabsunited.com/wp-content/uploads/Payment-confirmation.jpg . Common amateurish mistake. A most egregious mistake is to publicly bash the court or the court-appointed persons who hold your destiny in their hands. It does not please the court when that happens.

  • Binkje Binkje on Dec 12, 2011

    Saab Automobile's owner, the Dutch listed company Swedish Automobile NV, Swan, is expected, as reported to di.se this afternoon filing bankruptcy to Vänersborg. Several independent sources have confirmed to di.se that Swan will ask for Saab in bankruptcy. There is still no official confirmation from the company. A source at Saab comes with conflicting information to TT and believe that there has been no decision about bankruptcy on Monday. Neither the union has heard anything about a bankruptcy decision. The news that the company itself calls for bankruptcy is somewhat surprising because the Saab Automobile Chairman and CEO Victor Muller told the media that bankruptcy is not an option. A source with good insight into the drama that lasted a long time telling di.se: "That type of thinking found in the Saab trail. I would not be surprised if it receives on Monday that the company submits the application to the district court." Saab's business development manager Martin Larsson, who has previously been tipped to take over the CEO role in the automaker, neither confirms or denies. "I have no comment," is his only comment when di.se reach him. If Saab chooses to file a bankruptcy petition and therefore calls itself bankrupt expected a swift bankruptcy decision. The district court will examine the application on the same day, according to past data to di.se from Vänersborg. Di.se has unsuccessfully sought to Saab CEO Victor Muller. http://di.se/Artiklar/2011/12/12/253430/Just-nu-Muller-ger-upp---begar-Saab-i-konkurs/?sr=23&tr=297228&rlt=0

    • Lorenzo Lorenzo on Dec 12, 2011

      Swan is the Dutch parent of Saab? If Swan declares bankruptcy in Nederland, claiming Saab as an asset, does the filing move the Saab saga to Dutch courts? Is this yet one more twist, featuring dueling bankruptcies in separate legal jurisdictions?

  • Binkje Binkje on Dec 12, 2011

    Poor TimR... Lets wait and see December 12, 2011 in Editorial Some reports are coming in that Victor might be forced to place Saab in bankruptcy in order to secure the employees wages in time for the o so important holiday for christmas. We still can NOT confirm any of this. But even if it were to be true, please keep in mind that it is in no way the end of Saab. Several companies have risen out of bankruptcy and are today very successful! Lets wait and see what happens!

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