By on November 9, 2011

 

 

Jalopnik says it managed to snag this image of the production Cadillac XTS from the Cadillac website earlier today before anyone at GM’s luxury brand realized it had been inadvertently posted. The funny thing is, this could just as easily be an image of the XTS Platinum Concept, which first introduced us to the idea of a Epsilon II-based DTS/STS replacement… this purported production model looks exactly like the concept. Then again, it also looks exactly like you’d imagine a rebodied-for-Cadillac Buick LaCrosse would look… which is basically what this is. And since we know what the XTS’s interior will look like, this ends a lot of the suspense about the first all-new Caddy since the SRX. Well, except for the “how it drives” and “how it sells” parts…

 

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68 Comments on “Shocker: Cadillac XTS Looks Just Like The Cadillac XTS Platinum Concept...”


  • avatar

    “Soft” and “somewhat better than the DTS did, but not a lot better”, I’m guessing.

  • avatar
    geeber

    It should sell as well as the Lincoln MKS and really give it a run for its money. Which, I guess, isn’t saying all that much.

    • 0 avatar
      th009

      MKS is averaging 1000 units/month in 2012, DTS+STS is 1400/month so dropping to the MKS level would surely be a disappointment for GM, especially as they are hoping to pick up some incremental livery business. (Haven’t seen a single livery MKT at an airport yet.)

      Incidentally, the LaCrosse is selling about 4500 units/month.

    • 0 avatar
      potatobreath

      It looks just like a MKS but with a Cadillac grille instead the baleen whale. Handsome albeit tall car.

  • avatar

    So basically it’s gonna be a Cadillac version of the Buick Lacrosse. I’ll save my judgements for a test drive, but, I already know my next car is a 2012 300cSRT8 once they get an 8 speed into it.

  • avatar
    philadlj

    This is not the flagship Cadillac wants, but right now, it’s the flagship GM can afford. As much as it may want to (does it?) Cadillac can’t afford to totally dump the market segment the DTS/STS occupied. All they can do is consolidate, which is what they’ve done.

    XTS prices will likely start somewhere around where LaCrosse prices end. It shares no body panels with the Buick, and the interior is also unique and should be a cut above anything Buick offers (which is saying something).

  • avatar
    Educator(of teachers)Dan

    I do not have the words to express my lack of excitement or enthusiasm. And this is from a man who generally likes big sedans, period. I’d rather have a final year of production W-platform LTZ package Impala.

  • avatar
    spinjack

    Looks a bit like a rebodied Taurus.

  • avatar
    bumpy ii

    Looks like Art & Science (aka, fack yer Euclid) is finally dead. Took long enough.

  • avatar
    CamaroKid

    Ugly Grill,
    Silly Rims,
    Wrong wheel drive,
    The Meh is strong in this one.

    • 0 avatar
      Contrarian

      Without even knowing, I immediately saw the LaCross in that thing – Caddy grill notwithstanding. Meh indeed, although I’m sure it’s a competent enough, if overpriced, sedan.

  • avatar
    gottacook

    That side window treatment, despite being a 6-window design, is very reminiscent of the current (outgoing) Malibu. Not a good thing.

  • avatar
    FromaBuick6

    Hey look! It’s the new Cadillac Avalon!

    Just what we need, another bulbous “luxury” car built on mass-market underpinnings. Cadillac would have been better off not replacing the DTS altogether if they want to be taken seriously as a luxury/sport brand. This segment/demographic should be ceded to Buick.

    • 0 avatar
      Steven02

      Seriously, they should have kept the DTS underpinnings which were shared with the Buick Lucerne?

      • 0 avatar
        FromaBuick6

        No, they should have dropped it and waited until they could fill the gap with a proper S/A8/7-Series competitor. Even the Equus is more convincing.

        We’re supposed to believe Buick’s a real luxury brand now, just redirect DTS buyers to the LaCrosse. Heck, it’d be an opportunity to push that model upmarket and make room for the next Impala (which, most likely, will be based on this same platform).

        At least the DTS had a V8…

    • 0 avatar
      HEATHROI

      I thought Avalon too

  • avatar
    OldandSlow

    The lower front fascia is going to be a real curb catcher coming out of many of local driveways.

  • avatar
    Steven02

    Considering it has a completely different interior, completely different exterior, the concept had a completely different drive train, why call this a rebodied LaCrosse? I also believe that this version is on a longer EPII platform for more trunk space. It isn’t a rebodied LaCrosse. Considering that Lexus sells the vast majority of its vehicles in FWD platform sharing Toyota models, I don’t see a problem with this one.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      The difference is that Lexus doesn’t sell a flagship sedan based on the Avalon.

      • 0 avatar
        imag

        @psar: Pithy.

      • 0 avatar
        Adamatari

        Perhaps we should ask whether this is really supposed to be the “flagship” or whether this is the Cadillac “ES”. Considering the success of the ES, if this aims at that segment of the market, but with the flair of Cadillac… I could see this being a very successful realtor’s car if the back seat is nice enough. I don’t mean this in a bad way.

        Cadillac has done a good job lately, the car still is a looker as far as I’m concerned, and there is a lot we don’t know. If this is really supposed to be the flagship, I really don’t think that will work… But as an alternative to Lincoln or the Lexus ES? Possibly.

      • 0 avatar
        Steven02

        Pretty sure that Cadillac still considers the Escalade its flagship.

        But even if it did consider the XTS a flagship, what is wrong with sharing parts of a platform. The exterior and interior are completely different and the XTS concept had a completely different drive train. This isn’t simply going to be a rebadge. The chassis is tuned differently, it is longer, it has different features. This isn’t a Cimarron.

      • 0 avatar
        GarbageMotorsCo.

        So do the gangbangers and rap artists. They wouldn’t “settle” for this either.

    • 0 avatar
      Type57SC

      It does look like an angular LaCrosse from the side.

  • avatar
    supremebrougham

    It brings to mind the first front-drive deVille of the 80′s, in that it’s not a bad looking car, and in many ways it’s rather nice, but it just isn’t the right car to take the place of the Sedan deVille.

  • avatar
    Doc

    I think this car is horrible looking but that is subjective.

    I really do not think that there is any market for a front drive rebadge priced in the 50-60k range. I think the MKS has proven this beyond a doubt. This is not a good sign for the future of Cadillac.

    I suspect Cadillac will be leasing these out for 399/month to get rid of them as Lincoln does with the MKS.

    • 0 avatar
      th009

      I don’t believe FWD is anywhere near the top on the list of causes for MKS’s lacklustre sales. And whether attractive or not, this one is different enough from the LaCross that “rebadge” really isn’t the right term.

      Heck, a lot of Mercedes owners think their cars are FWD …

      • 0 avatar
        gottacook

        Some light would be shed on the FWD question if someone here knows where to find sales figures for FWD versus AWD MKSs. I presume but don’t know that the Cadillac will also have optional AWD if it plans to compete with the MKS.

  • avatar
    aspade

    Yuck. If this is the flagship Cadillac then why doesn’t it look like a Cadillac?

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    No, they should have stretched the STS and given it a better interior. This car mystified me—they already have a very good car that’s short some shoulder room and a decent interior and they scrap it entirely? WTF?

  • avatar
    Joss

    S C R E A M I N G D E P R E C I A T I O N…

    • 0 avatar
      Educator(of teachers)Dan

      Which is why, most Caddys, like most Lincolns, are much better deals a few years used than brand spanking new. Picking this up say in 2016 with a few thousand miles on it after the orginal owner has gone to their great reward for 1/3 of the orginal MSRP would make me feel like a king. Paying the original asking price new would make me feel like a moron.

      • 0 avatar

        But most people buying these cars are doing so on LEASES rather than actually financing for a 6yr period.

        A Cadillac lease (around $50,000) or even an MKS lease is $3700 down and payments around $700 a month.

        The major downside is that these cars are high maintenance.

      • 0 avatar
        Type57SC

        BigTruckSeries, you seem out of touch with the market.

        My local Lincoln deal:

        MKS FWD

        $392 /mo.
        for 27 months
        Lincoln Automotive Financial Services
        Red Carpet Lease
        $392 Cash Due at Signing

        Security deposit waived.
        Taxes, title and license fees extra.

        http://www.LincolnDealer.com
        Not all buyers will qualify for Lincoln AFS Red Carpet Lease. Payments may vary; dealers determine prices. Cash due at signing is after $1,825 cash back (PGM #50075, #90273) + $750 RCL Renewal Cash (PGM #32899) for returning lessees who renew into a new A/Z plan RCL contract. Residency restrictions apply. Take new retail delivery from dealer stock by 1/3/2012. See dealer for qualifications and complete details.

  • avatar
    morbo

    That’s some mighty fine photoshopping there, Lou.

    (front right tire)

  • avatar
    Rob Finfrock

    A huge “grille” that appears to actually be a solid panel for the upper 6/7th of it really screams luxury, as does the poor fitment of the fog light/brake duct cluster to the bumper.

    Ah, GM.

  • avatar
    Mandalorian

    The rear end looks nice, but the grill is horrible, the hood looks to short.

    It is a FACT that a Flagship cannot be taken seriously without the availability of a V8. Look at the Acura RL, no one knows/cares about it. Then look at the Infiniti M, it is revered like an A6 or E-Class.

    There is a reason Hyundai spent a fortune developing a V8 for the Genesis, it may not be the volume engine, but it is a pre-requsite.

    Also, anything Buick-based will be terrible. I have a Buick on loan while my 2011 Outback is in for an oil change (dealer was backed up), and every time I have to drive it, it makes me feel fortunate to own an Outback.

  • avatar
    Advo

    It still looks like a Cadillac to me, especially when you have that old-fashioned, American-looking grill.

    I have to ask how can Cadillac evolve it’s headlights/look that was so radical when it came out, but that they can’t seem to get away from so it still looks the same.

    All car companies probably want to change their looks somewhat for each new model to give customers something new to buy, yet they don’t want to radically change the styling if it has been successful.

    If you don’t like this car’s look, then what should Cadillac do differently? Make the car more Tron-like?

  • avatar
    bts

    I really think GM should have introduced the Pontiac G8 as a Cadillac sedan and never bothered with this stopgap Cadillac XTS.

    Fitted with the same 6.2L v8 as the Escalade, along with the Magnetic Selective Ride Control that’s in the Corvette ZR1, it would have made a good flagship and a nice step up from the CTS. And the G8 comes in a longer wheelbase version in some markets that’s the same size as the S-Class and 7-Series making it comparable.

    Throw in the Supercharged ZR1 engine and there’s the V-Series model.

    • 0 avatar

      The XTS and the G8 are no where in the same league, not even close. I speak, of course, in terms of target market, size, strengths (luxury vs. sport) etc. The G8 might compete with the CTS, but not much more. In the G8′s homeland, Australia, the G8 plays second fiddle to the Caprice in terms of shear luxury. Not to mention that the G8′s interior materials, while decent, aren’t up to Cadillac quality (or even Buick quality), or the fact that the exterior design is in no way keeping with Cadillac design language.

      And wait? How is the XTS a stopgap? It represents a fairly intentioned move upscale.

      I’m sorry, as I consider your comment, it makes less and less sense.

      And the G8/Caprice might be in the same class as S-Class/7-Series, but they are no where near them in any way but the engine power. Lame rebadging is not what Cadillac needs to prove it’s luxury/sporting intentions in the near prestige class.

      • 0 avatar
        bts

        Yes, introducing the G8 exactly as it was as a Cadillac sure wouldn’t have gone over well. I don’t even think the G8 offered built in navigation? It would need to keep with the Cadillac design theme, Art and Science is it? And the interior quality would definitely need a lot of work.

        To me the G8/Caprice represents a full size, rear wheel drive sedan and that’s exactly what Cadillac needs. I don’t think the XTS will ever be able to compete just because it’s front wheel drive and has the front wheel drive look.

        The XTS will probably cost a lot more than the DTS it replaces and I doubt sales will be good, causing Cadillac to cancel it in a couple years making this car just a stopgap. Cadillac needs something different, and the XTS is much too close to a Buick offered in the same market. I wouldn’t really consider the Cadillac version of the G8 a horrible rebadge job, it will be the only GM car like this offered in the US.

      • 0 avatar
        outback_ute

        I disagree, I think there is a strong resemblance in styling between the XTS above and the Caprice. The police version loses a lot in its transformation, but the front end could easily take the same styling as above, just double the size of the grille and change the orientation of the headlights to vertical.

        The Caprice has a different dashboard etc from the Commodore, not to mention it is due for a facelift so the materials could easily be brought into line. The Zeta platform is now 6 years old so does not have the latest tech but nothing that could not be added in an upgrade as a Zeta II version. Even extend the wheelbase a bit more for the Cadillac version, it does not have to be hard.

        The current Holden line does offer a reasonably advanced touch screen infotainment system, and nav has been available for 12+ years but mostly as an option with low uptake rates.

        I expect bts only referred to the G8 because s/he does not have the familiarity with the non-PPV version of the Caprice which as you say is a much better comparison.

        Bottom line I think for the investment they could have had a much more distinct offering from the existing Buick

      • 0 avatar
        Steven02

        @EChid
        I am pretty sure that if Caddy wanted to introduce a Zeta car into the US market, it would have changed the interior materials. This wouldn’t have been a lame rebadging effort. It would have been very different. Google Buick Park Avenue China. That car looks pretty darn good. They could make it better than that, change some looks and make it a Caddy here if they wanted to. That is what bts was saying.

  • avatar
    gslippy

    I think it looks rather nice, even if it is Photoshopped.

  • avatar
    PJ McCombs

    It’s clear that GM didn’t give this model 100% effort, but–maybe this is insensitive–isn’t the market that aspires to this car receding? Surely most of the drivers who bought themselves Northstar DeVilles as retirement presents are now close to giving up driving.

    And while there’s certainly a significant, younger audience that still aspires to the ‘biggest Cadillac’ (Escalade), I can’t see them crossing over to full-size-sedan territory unless Cadillac makes it much more outrageous-looking–which, of course, would turn off the first group.

    Sounds like Cadillac’s in a bit of a demographic pickle. With the XTS, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re (cost-effectively) biding their time until the former group fades away, so they can pitch something more targeted to the latter.

    • 0 avatar

      I think there’s a lot of truth in what you say — this isn’t the Big Cadillac Flagship the world has been hoping for, it’s an improved take on the DTS that is aimed at the DTS’s market (what I once heard a Cadillac marketing person refer to as “our legacy customers”). I think this (and to some extent the ATS) will eventually be seen as the last of “Old GM’s” products. The current CEO has pretty clearly said that he doesn’t think they’re good enough, though it looks like at least the interior on this one will be competitive with real luxury cars.

      But I doubt it’ll be around for more than a few years, and I doubt it’ll be replaced by a similar car when it goes.

  • avatar
    Coley

    I agree with PJ. I don’t comment too often on here, because I’m way out of my league on a knowledge-level basis. I enjoy reading, though.

    I’m sure that in so many aspects this will be an excellent car. But from my personal observations, I really don’t see anyone who is looking to spend more than about $25k on a vehicle looking to buy any sedan whatsoever.

    Young people might buy inexpensive, fuel-efficient sedans. I have young children, so we have a minivan. The typical family model seems to be one relatively inexpensive, efficient car; and one SUV/CUV/minivan.

    When those people get a little older, they either keep buying minivans if they like practicality, or they move into CUV’s–Escape/CR-V/RAV-4/Pilot/Highlander. If they’re more affluent and want something extra, it’s an MDX or an RX.

    My sample is skewed, I’m sure, because I’m in the greater area of a major, East Coast metropolitan center. I know that, obviously, some people are buying big, expensive sedans. I just seem to know very, very few of them.

    I guess I would just be so frustrated as a car designer tasked with this project not because I wouldn’t be able to make a great car, but because such a huge percentage of the potential buyers don’t even want cars in the first place.

    Everyone above is suggesting that the competition for this is (or ought to be) the S-Class, the 7-Series, the A8. I say no–those are the cars for Car People, and that’s an ever-smaller group.

    Cadillac ought to be going after the many affluent empty nesters I know (professionally and in my family) who want something nice and roomy and comfortable for long trips, and would never utter the term “right-wheel drive.”

    The competition for this car is NOT the S-Class or A8. It’s the Sienna Limited. Honestly.

  • avatar
    Type57SC

    Ackerson was right about this one.

  • avatar
    JSF22

    It looks as though I am in the minority here, but I think the XTS is handsome. I find this car more appealing inside and out than any Lexus, probably its real competition. Of course, this is purely a matter of individual taste, and the people who think the XTS is ugly are just as right as I am. In terms of guessing how it drives, the LaCrosse is not a bad basic platform. I don’t think it is too relevant that the XTS is clearly not an S-Class, a 7-Series, or an A8. I know a lot of people who drive those, none of them cross-shopped Cadillac, and few likely ever would. If Cadillac cannot attract Lexus intenders with this car, I think it will be for failing to come even close to matching Lexus customer service and amenities, vitally important to the well-off non-enthusiasts who hold the greatest potential.

  • avatar
    spyked

    Let’s see, another LaCrosse-based big GM sedan. Why not just buy the excellent and dynamic SAAB LaCrosse (NG 9-5) at firesale prices and call it a day? No need to even manufacture the XTS.

  • avatar
    philadlj

    Yes, a big Buick could partially fill the role served by the late STS/DTS.

    No, the XTS’s overall impression does not jibe with Cadillac’s “New Standard of the World” slogan.

    Yes, most of Lexus’s volume is FWD luxury cars, and the XTS is FWD (with an AWD option).

    No, the XTS is not a 7-Series/S-Class/A8 competitor.

    Yes, the XTS will make Cadillac lots of money.

  • avatar
    mjz

    Doomed to suffer from dreaded “X” naming curse and will be a sales flop. Think Jag X-Type, GM’s awful “X” cars like Citation. Only when the “x” refers to an all-wheel drive version is the “curse” avoided. Really more of a replacement for the DTS, than the STS. Why didn’t they just redo the long-wheelbase version of the SLS that is offered in China? That would have been a better choice. Overall, the design is pleasant enough, but the proportions are all wrong. The hood is just too stubby and belies its front-wheel drive origins. This would have made for a better Buick flagship positioned above the LaCrosse.

  • avatar
    energetik9

    I am generally not too impressed with the hard edges of Cadillac. As soon as the reviewer mentioned Buick, there was even less appeal. In all fairness, I never never considered myself in the Cadillac demographic. Big sedans and lumbering, luxury SUV’s have ZERO appeal to me.

  • avatar
    alluster

    This looks nothing like the concept. The wheels, grill, fog lamps, c-pillar. Nothing matches the concept which a truly stunning car

    http://www.autoblog.com/photos/cadillac-xts-platinum-concept/full/#4#photo-2611912

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    Car styling has been on the decline for much of this past dreadful decade and this car carries this tradition forward. The concept looked better than this stubby nosed short decked watered down version. It will probably sell pretty well as long as the fuel economy is good and the advertising dollars are well spent. The FWD vs RWD thing always makes me chuckle. Ask many Lexus/Infinity/Acura/Mercedes owners what there car is and they think it’s FWD. It’s mainly us car enthusiasts/followers who know the difference and we make up a small part of the demographic. Don’t believe it just look at what is still the best selling car in America.

  • avatar
    korvetkeith

    Ring ring
    “hello, this korvetkeith”
    “hi korvetkeith, this is Cadillac. We’re phoning it in.”
    “I see that, put me down for zero.”

  • avatar
    GarbageMotorsCo.

    My grandfathers next (well, last probably) car if he can prepare himself for the attention. The retirement communities always gawk at the newest, freshest Cadillac in the village.

    Buicks don’t get the same attention unfortunately because he could save a bundle and buy a Lacrosse instead.


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