By on October 17, 2011

 

This hit and run video, captured by a security camera in a market in Foshan, Guangdong Province, is causing a public outcry in China – after people did nothing for many minutes.

The van driver stops for a moment, realizing that he has just hit a toddler. Then he drives on and crushes two-year-old Yueyue again. For seven minutes, people ignore the little girl, causing here to be hit yet again by a truck. Finally, a 57 year old woman stops and helps. China Daily claimed that the woman who stopped was told by a number of shopkeepers to mind her own business. Finally, the mother arrives and takes the child away.

The little girl was declared brain dead by a hospital on Sunday afternoon and could die at any moment.

Police caught the truck driver soon after the incident and the van driver turned himself in on Sunday afternoon.

“If she is dead, I may pay only about 20,000 yuan ($3,125). But if she is injured, it may cost me hundreds of thousands yuan,” said the driver over the phone to the media, before he gave himself up to the police.

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67 Comments on “Watch A Child Run Over Three Times. Or Don’t...”


  • avatar
    arun

    oh my God…..How do the perpetrators and by-standers live with themselves, I will never understand..

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      It’s called bystander apathy, and it’s a common human trait. It’s worse the larger the crowd, too. I can understand that, having seen it again and again. It’s an unfortunate psychological quirk of human common to most people.

      What I find troubling is the driver’s response. That’s pure, cold-hearted sociopathy.

      • 0 avatar
        arun

        As an Indian who spent a good number of years growing in India, I can say with 100% certainty this is almost always the case in India as well.
        Now that I live in Florida, where there are a large number of transplants, I can see the nearly the same level of apathy out here as well.
        Just makes me think how much of a difference the culture can make to situations like this…

      • 0 avatar
        Andrew

        If you want more info on the idea of a crowd diffusing responsibility until no one feels the responsibility to do anything, this is a well researched and notorious case of the same phenomenon.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

    • 0 avatar
      wsn

      Because there was a famous ruling in Nanking several years ago.

      The story was like this, a granny was hit by a vehicle, and a young man came to help. The granny then accused the young man being the one who hit her. There was no evidence either way. The judge ruled that the young man was responsible, or why would he help? That reasoning was actually written into the verdict.

      From that point and on, Chinese choose not to help anybody who is hit. Truck/bus companies all installed video cameras on their vehicles to avoid potential lawsuits.

      • 0 avatar
        Truckducken

        That explains why China’s the only place I’ve ever seen human roadkill. I guess when it happens to the granddaughter of a Party official, something will finally be done about it.

      • 0 avatar
        Alwaysinthecar

        Andrew, the Kitty Genovese story is also a well documented parable. The New York Times even made a retraction. It was overly exaggerated at the time about the number of eye witnesses (there were none who actually witnessed the event) and the circumstances surrounding the event. It was overzealous reporting that became urban myth. Nonetheless, as the American Psychologist reported just three years ago, despite being erroneous reporting (which they called “more parable than fact”) the embellished story worked as an attention getting device concerning urban fears. So even though it was a false story (the murder was certainly real) about bystander apathy, it did result in getting people to discuss the phenomenon of people looking the other way….

      • 0 avatar
        jmo

        I assume auto insurance isn’t mandated by the government?

      • 0 avatar
        wsn

        jmo, there is a mandatory insurance cost, which is a fix amount collision coverage, regardless of your driving record. (Regardless, because it’s not easy to establish a database from scratch and it’s not easy to request info from competitors.)

        The purpose of this insurance is, of course, to create more revenue for the state-owned insurance companies. BTW, in China, certain industries are strictly state owned. You can start your own food business or car repair business, etc. But banking and insurance are something you can’t possibly touch.

        I suspect that auto liability insurance could create risks that the state companies don’t wish to take, and thus there is no liability insurance.

    • 0 avatar
      VanillaDude

      This is someone’s little girl. This is someone’s most precious gift treated like garbage. No way would I watch this.

      This is a culture where little girls are not valued as highly as boys. Girls are regularly disposed of at birth, and China has a long history of aborting human lives by the millions for decades. This is a society that bases the value of human life on personal convenience. It simply was not convenient to help this little girl. It was not convenient for the driver to alter his path. When we base the value of human life on mere convenience, we kill ourselves and our future as well as dehumanize ourselves in every way.

      This is not simply a case of crowd neglect. It is in our DNA to protect two year olds. Human life would not exist if we do not each have it within us to protect toddlers. We do not expect toddlers to fend for themselves. We do not blame toddlers for being harmed. We instinctively know and instinctively react, to these horrors. So what happened here?

      It takes a desensitizing, a dehumanizing, within a culture to create this. It takes a society willing to protect human life only when that life is deemed important enough to protect. It takes a culture where the living value themselves based on their cognative survival skills and expect the same from others.

      We must recognize the value we place on human life and respect it enough to prevent these kinds of tragedies.

      • 0 avatar
        mike978

        Vanilla – +1.
        People are “defending” this in part because of the effect of crowds. My question is why did the van driver run over her a second time on purpose. That is if anything even worse than doing nothing.

      • 0 avatar
        arun

        + 1 Vanilla. Exactly what I was talking about (you put it way better that I did..)- the effect of culture in such situations..

      • 0 avatar
        infinitime

        Generalize much? As someone who spent years in China, I can tell you that girls are not “regularly” disposed of at birth… While there are recorded instances of such acts, those are few and far in between.

        I can tell you that for the vast majority of Chinese, a little girl is as valued as a little boy. Don’t try to impose your western bias on a tragic accident which has nothing to do with gender.

        The reality is that some douche perpetrated an atrocious act, in an effort to hide a very unfortunate accident. Should he be punished to the full extent of the law? Absolutely! Is this indicative of a society/culture which has been desensitized? No, certainly not.

        The act is as indicative of Chinese society as a whole, as Enron is indicative of the US model of commerce.

        Of course, some ppl may want to read more into it, so that the world fits more neatly into they biased views of other cultures.

      • 0 avatar
        TomHend

        Way to Go Vanilla Dude-Well said!!!!

        I went to a liberal college-Brandeis- where abortion “was a right” was drilled in to head by every woman and professor on campus.

        It took me twenty years to realize the unintended consequences of debasing human life.

      • 0 avatar

        @VanillaDude You made some good points, but this is not a gender issue. It would have been no different it were a boy instead. The “girls are regularly disposed of at birth” comment is way over the top and unfounded. Or rather, totally off base.

      • 0 avatar

        “While there are recorded instances of such acts, those are few and far in between. ”

        There are between 20-50 million Chinese girls “missing”, so not exactly as rare as hens teeth.

        http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=there-are-more-boys-than-girls

      • 0 avatar
        rpn453

        It took me twenty years to realize the unintended consequences of debasing human life.

        Reduced crime?

    • 0 avatar
      tekdemon

      Apparently there is no good samaritan law in China so a few well publicized cases of people suing the people trying to help them have scared people into behaving like heartless idiots. They need to pass such a law asap.

      • 0 avatar
        arun

        @ analyst

        I do not know how things are in China (though Praxis seems to have come up with some facts and numbers) but in India, I assure you that female infanticide is still very much in vogue among both the uneducated and the ‘educated’ segments.
        It is the reasons sex determination techniques have been banned in India.

  • avatar
    Jimal

    I’m not sure I understand why this is on this particular site. Is it because a vehicle or vehicles were used in the commission of a crime? Wouldn’t this be akin to a gun enthusiast website posting security camera video of gun crime?

    • 0 avatar
      Brian E

      No, it’s akin to a gun enthusiast site posting video of an injury caused by irresponsible shooting at a firing range where bystanders refused to help. It’s about a situation where people are supposed to be using a dangerous tool responsibly, but fail to do so and others fail to help.

    • 0 avatar
      Adamatari

      Jimal, it has EVERYTHING to do with the auto industry. China is one of the fastest growing markets, and you may remember a couple decades ago that the pictures of China showed tons of people on bikes and a few cars.

      The Chinese have abandoned the bicycles for cars, but they never learned how to drive them. Not only that, but the government actually encourages them to drive carelessly, and discourages people from helping others, by punishing anyone who comes to the aid of someone who is hurt, and by making it cheaper to pay for the funeral than for an injury.

      The auto industry sells a product with a potential good or harm. It has a responsibility to push for safe use of its products. As car enthusiasts and as human beings we have a responsibility as well.

    • 0 avatar

      Jimal, you had the option of NOT reading the story or clicking the video included within the story. If the content isn’t to your liking, there are other articles on this site you can read at your leisure that are more “auto industry oriented”. Or you can visit any number of other websites that specialize in automotive news.

      Do whatever you wish, just stop bitching about the content, please.

      • 0 avatar
        Jimal

        I chose to read the article to see what relevance it had to what this site is supposedly about. I see no relation. I choose not to watch the video because I don’t see any value for me in doing so. Say that this article is relevant because in their rush to transition from bicycles to cars the Chinese forgot the extra step of learning how to drive is a stretch. This is a crime followed by heinous indifference by onlookers. None of that has anything to do with what this site normally discusses.

        You may not like it, but asking a legitimate question about the relevance of this article isn’t “bitching about content”. I didn’t attack anyone, nor am I trolling. I didn’t realize I was commenting on rotten.com.

      • 0 avatar
        Ralph ShpoilShport

        I’m with Jimal and others. I can see no value in the story as it relates to the truth about cars. And the video? Hey, why not just show a snuff film so we can all guess what car that is in the background. The headline was not warning enough. I’ll hold my disgust for the perpetrator and the passers-by. I am in complete disagreement with the editorial decision to present this post at it did. It’s time for me to go.

  • avatar
    infinitime

    The amount of damages awarded for a civil wrong may be less in a case when the poor child dies (no payment of future care costs)

    but to intentionally run over the child a second time, and then to flee the scene of a crime… I am certain that the criminal prosecutors will have a field day in prosecuting this guy… Thankfully, the death penalty is still being dished out for these types of crimes in China.

  • avatar
    jmo

    If she is dead, I may pay only about 20,000 yuan ($3,125). But if she is injured, it may cost me hundreds of thousands yuan,

    So, I assume the liability insurance market in China is still in its early stages?

    • 0 avatar
      wsn

      Yep.

      Irresponsible driver is only one side of the coin.

      The other side is that the victim family would typically squeeze as much money from the driver (or innocent bystander/helper) as possible.

      • 0 avatar
        mike978

        wsn – do you have a problem with that? Especially when the van driver was so callous as to run over her twice and then hopes she dies so he will have to pay out less.

      • 0 avatar
        wsn

        Mike, I am not saying it’s a right thing to do.

        I am only stating that, without knowing all these people personally, I can only estimate that the moral standards of the victim family is roughly the same as the offending driver. They won’t miss a chance to dig money from an innocent bystander. That’s why no bystander helped.

        I know. It sounds horrible, but that’s the truth and the reason you saw this video.

  • avatar
    GS650G

    Life is still not valued very high in China it seems. But similar displays can be found in almost every country.

  • avatar
    stuntmonkey

    That’s just horrible. Also sadly, not inconceivable. I think this could have happened anywhere in the world because of the bystander effect that occurs when you have large crowds witnessing a traumatic event. (Though really, a part of me thinks this is also proof that China as a society still shows the scars of years of communism and the cultural revolution)

    The last part about the money… last week ‘This American Life” had a podcast about a guy who got thrown into a jail for a random altercation. The piece had some insights about how the justice system works in China. It’s not like the adversarial system of our tradition, and there is battering for compensation, almost like in a civil suit, in what we would consider criminal cases here in the west.

    • 0 avatar
      gogogodzilla

      In many parts of Asia, in particular South Korea… if you are a foreigner, you are automatically at fault for any incident, regardless of fault.

      The logic is that whatever incident occurred would not have happened had you (the foreigner) not been in the country; therefore, it’s your fault.

      Traffic accidents, physical altercations, whatever.

      I’ve had to stop Americans from interfering in public beatings where old Korean men would beat their wives. As an American, we’d try and stop it. But we’d end up in a Korean jail if we interfered, facing a lawsuit from the husband for assault.

  • avatar
    Philosophil

    I honestly can’t bring myself to watch this video, the description alone was too much for me. God, the things people do…

  • avatar
    Advance_92

    Consider yourself lucky; I stopped just before the second truck.

  • avatar
    MrBostn

    If someone hits a pedestrian/bicyclist here, they’ll take off if nobody sees it.

    It’s quite frequent. In fact I’d go as far as saying if someone hits you, don’t expect them to stop.

    The good news is that in the US someone is likely to drag you from the street and call 911.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/24/illegal-immigrant-faces-charges-in-hit-and-run-death-23-year-old-mass-man/

    http://nashua.patch.com/articles/state-trooper-injured-in-hit-and-run-on-everette-turnpike

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS437US437&tbm=nws&q=bicyclist+hit+and+run+death&oq=bicyclist+hit+and+run+death&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=3859l8633l0l8945l15l15l3l0l0l2l221l1675l4.5.3l12l0

  • avatar

    “If she is dead, I may pay only about 20,000 yuan ($3,125). But if she is injured, it may cost me hundreds of thousands yuan”

    Man, that is cold. Kind of reminds me when Ford crunched the numbers to decide it’s cheaper for people to burn to death in a Pinto then it is to recall them.

    To be honest, I stopped watching about five seconds into the video, too hard to watch such callous disregard and inhumanity.

  • avatar
    Frownsworth

    Disgusting…

  • avatar
    vvk

    You shouldn’t have posted this here, Mr. Schmitt.

    The driver of the truck should be skinned alive.

    • 0 avatar
      Wheatridger

      I agree. Everything that a security camera catches doesn’t need to publicly shown. There’s a time to show a little restraint here, even as we take note of this this heinous crime.

  • avatar
    geozinger

    I generally agree with the warning, watch it or don’t.

    I didn’t.

    However, what may be merely sensationalistic on one continent is reprehensible in another.

    I would have hoped that the Editor-in-Chief would have spiked this.

  • avatar
    Sinistermisterman

    Ah jeez I heard about this story and then just watched that video. I wish I hadn’t. Just when I think that morality in this world has reached rock bottom, I see something else which reminds me that there are new lows which have yet to be reached, and that the world is full of soulless, callous scumbags who don’t deserve the right to breath in air.

  • avatar
    Volt 230

    This happens here too but usually not to children, I guess we consider our children here more precious than in some of these barbaric countries.

    • 0 avatar
      SimonAlberta

      Not really. There are hundreds of examples of US corporations CHOOSING to endanger human beings of all ages rather than incur additional costs. Don’t try to make the generalisation that this is a CHINESE problem, this is a HUMAN issue.

      And, many humans are scumbags…whether they drive a van or are a CEO of a major company.

  • avatar
    NN

    I didn’t watch it, but it sounds beyond disgusting in every sense. I, too, have seen human roadkill in China, and it is the only place where I have seen it. There is a cultural chasm in groups between the US and China. I think the western cultural ideas of individualism make people self-confident and assertive enough to step out in traffic and help someone who has been injured. The Chinese masses tend to sit by and watch emotionless as tragedy unfolds before them, like they’re watching TV.

  • avatar
    mike

    China already has a female shortage.
    It is getting bigger.
    Value of female life? Less than the shark for it’s fin…

  • avatar
    Flipper35

    This is one of the only times that I would condone torture for the truck driver. And the onlookers.

  • avatar
    eldard

    In my neck of the woods (which is 3rd world agricultural), people would immediately rush in to help. Then try to stop the offending vehicle and/or beat the driver (that’s mob justice for ya.) A crowd would immediately gather around the victim. People who genuinely want to help, and bystanders just wanting to see what’s going on (i.e. gossip mongers.)

    I’ve found the more affluent the area, the more apathetic people will be. As in the case of my cousin who was stabbed by a robber in a mall parking lot 2 decades ago. He was with my brother and he called for help but no one did. People just looked.

    • 0 avatar
      stottpie

      i liked your point about “the more affluent the area, the more apathetic people will be.”

      it’s true. my car died the other day in the area of a very posh m-benz dealership in a nice section of newport beach. of course my phone died, so i had to ask passers-by if i could make a quick call. i even offered to pay for the call. 4 people turned me down.

      as i walked over to the M-benz dealership, all of the sales people walked right past me, since i was not in the best of attire (and somewhat dirty). the only person who would help me was a valet.

      when the tow truck driver came by, he was also ridiculously nice.

      it seems as though the people who have worked their whole life in blue collar jobs or other labor are much more receptive and empathetic as a group.

  • avatar
    Robert.Walter

    Tragic. (Didn’t watch it, didn’t need to watch it.)

    Gotta say I too am at a loss as to why this was published here.

    That being said, and given VanillaDude’s comment “…It is in our DNA to protect two year olds.”, I have to ask what of the strongest DNA related to the toddler: The Parents, where were they, and how did they let their toddler get into this situation?

    • 0 avatar
      VanillaDude

      My two year old walked out of our house twice before I installed additional locks high enough to keep her in the house.

      The first time she went out to get exercise like she saw her father do. I found her when I drove down the street and she was jogging up the street wearing only her clothes and socks on her feet. She was as innocent as a lamb, happy as a lark, and couldn’t understand why her mommy was crying when she couldn’t be found.

      The second time she went through the back door, opened the neighbor’s sliding back door and walked into their bedroom to have a visit with them and her best friend, who is now seven years old.

      After the locks were installed, I have found the doors jarred in such a way to know that one of my toddlers was interested in walking out the house. I keep my doors locked up to prevent another incident.

      It is shocking to experience these moments. Nothing prepares you for them. As a parent, you feel extremely vulnerable knowing that your most precious gift is out of the house without someone ensuring their safety.

      It is not the parent’s fault. These things happen. The fault lies within a community that did not value that human life enough to protect it or care enough to tend to it when it became injured.

      Now, I know some have been offended by my earlier postings and have claimed I am over generalizing or could be somehow anti-Chinese and engaging in shadenfreud. I didn’t enjoy writing this and it seems that some didn’t enjoy reading it either.

      However, I feel it necessary to report how the Chinese government has created a situation whereby millions of Chinese girls are regularly undervalued to a point where the culture does not protect them. So many Chinese girls have been exterminated there is a serious population crisis underway. Unlike typical crowd psychology, China is facing a crisis of it’s own doing.

      Finally, a blogger wished to mention how human life is regularly exterminated here in the US as well. This fact does not make the situation in China any more tolerable. It didn’t help here either.

  • avatar
    "scarey"

    @Vanilla Dude- OUR country aborts over a million babies every year also. Not as many as China, to be sure, but WE should be ashamed also. If we saw a photo of an aborted child, most of us would be as revolted as we were seeing this tragic killing.
    @Volt230- we are another “barbaric country”, I am ashamed to say.

  • avatar
    mikey

    I read the headline. Knowing the story, I elected NOT to watch it.

    Yes as a father of two, and grandfather of a three, I’m disgusted. However I’m not going to knock TTAC or Bertel for running it. The warning was perfectly clear.

  • avatar
    zerofoo

    I saw this on Reddit a little while back. I’m a bit disappointed the video made it to this site. I come to this site to indulge my car interests and get away from the “real world” a bit.

    Still, as a parent, this makes me sick.

    I gotta go hug my kids.

    -ted

  • avatar
    Dynamic88

    It didn’t even look like an accident. I don’t know how the van driver could have failed to see the girl. Running over her intentionally the second time should be murder (but I don’t know if it is under Chinese law).

    The second truck driver that hit her also should not have failed to see the girl lying in the road. Do the Chinese drive with their eyes closed?

    There was no crowd. Various individuals saw the girl, walked by or stopped breifly, and moved on w/o doing anything for her. A couple on motorcycles a guy walking, a mother and child walked by, etc. etc. They all knew no one else was going to do anything -there was no crowd gathered around the girl – and they all just walked off and did nothing. Even the woman who got the girl out of the street pulls her to the side like she’s clearing the road of debris.

  • avatar
    Bill Wade

    When our ship pulled into Hong Kong in 1973 they told us if we rented a car and hit somebody make absolutely sure they were dead. Apparently if they were injured you could be held responsible for their care and support for their family.

    I never knew if it was true or not but it certainly kept everybody from renting a car.

  • avatar
    VA Terrapin

    With this article and last month’s article about a Philadelphia cop allegedly raping a woman inside a squad car, is TTAC trying to turn itself into The Smoking Gun? Unless a crime is directly related to the car industry like Uwe Gemballa’s murder or a former GM executive stealing GM trade secrets for Volkswagen, I don’t see how articles like this are anything more than cynical attempts at getting more visits to generate more revenue.

    As for the China bashers here, get off your high horses. Neither you nor your own corner of the world are anywhere near perfect. There are plenty of examples of Americans and Europeans doing acts at least as evil as the Chinese truck driver in the video, but I don’t read you guys bashing America or a European country whenever an average American or European does something bad.

  • avatar
    tmkreutzer

    Watch it or don’t.

    Screw you guys for posting this at all.

    I expect better from you TTAC.

  • avatar
    mad_science

    TTAC is free to run whatever content it chooses to, but I’m disappointed by the lack of editorial discretion to see this here.

    There’s no shortage of tragedy/outrage/sensationalism-porn out there. It’s easy to find egregious examples of people from certain groups, cultures, countries or law enforcement agencies acting terribly, then let the floodgates of anger and generalization pour in the comments. If I wanted that, there’s at least one car site that specializes in it…that I stopped reading for exactly that reason.

    I’m not saying TTAC can’t, or even shouldn’t post things like this, just that I’d be one less reader if this continues.

  • avatar
    wmba

    Twenty years ago, my VP gave me a Chinese electrical engineer to look after in my department for a couple of months. He was learning about how we ran our electric utility and how some of our experience might help him back home in a similar job. A sort of exchange student. He was from a small city of 150,000, and they kept his wife and kids home, so he wouldn’t do a runner.

    Anyway, one day he came in to see me, wanting to talk about a car/pedestrian accident he had witnessed the night before. He was highly impressed at the help people walking along the street gave. Immediately. The ambulance and police were there in a couple of minutes.

    Then he started crying. Apparently at home in 1991, only big party bosses had cars, big black ones, and when they ran over pedestrians, they didn’t stop, nor did anyone raise a hand to help the injured victim. He’d seen that with his own eyes.

    He felt that the way we Canadians responded to an accident to a total stranger, just a citizen, was wonderful. And he cried about his country for a good half-hour.

    So I must say, I take all this stuff about the new China, the capitalist “experiment” and how wonderful it is, with a big dose of skepticism. I’ve been in East Germany when it was commie, I’ve been to communist Yugoslavia back in the seventies when Uncle Tito made it almost worth living, I’ve had dozens of friends visit Cuba on vacation to soak up sun and remain piss drunk for a week, and then tell me what a “paradise” it is when you get off the beaten track and meet real Cubans.

    Those countries weren’t/aren’t free anymore than China is. And this video shows what happens when perverted thinking takes over for a bit of caring for your fellow man. And make no mistake — it’s perverted thinking.

    I’m really glad to have lived in the West for my 64 years.

  • avatar
    wallstreet

    I have teary eyes tonight. This is beyond tragic.

  • avatar
    daveainchina

    Sadly just before this happened I was involved in a similiar accident. Luckily the driver stopped however the crowd that gathered was completely useless and no one called the police until I did myself.

    I have been severely injured and ended up in the hospital requiring surgery. To top it off the Police officer who arrived, after 30 minutes after the accident occured kept asking if I needed an ambulance.

    I can’t make too many more comments as I don’t know the laws here in china and I don’t know how this will end up in court. I do know that the situation of how people handle emergency situations is pathetic in this country (China).

    This situation, in light of conversations I had prior to my accident and prior to this little girl don’t surprise me at all. It’s still sad and pathetic though.

  • avatar
    VA Terrapin

    I knew when this article came out that racist responses would follow. That some would commit the logical fallacy of applying one or two anecdotes to an entire country of over 1.3 billion people. That some would exploit this article so that they can feel smug in their feelings of superiority over the Chinese people and culture.

    Articles like this do nothing good on TTAC other than to increase revenue by increasing clicks. This article obviously increases trolling and flaming, and it shifts attention away from cars and the car industry. It would be a shame to see TTAC ruin its own reputation for the sake of a few more clicks.

  • avatar
    daveainchina

    @VA Terrapin

    Ok people like you need to get off your high horse, I see very little here that has to do with racism and I see a whole lot that refers to the system that promotes this type of thinking.

    Read up.. I just had damn near the same friggin thing happen to me here, yes I’m not as seriously injured, but I was in the hospital for a relatively extended time and have had surgery and am the lucky new owner of several new hunks of metal in me. In no small thanks to the people of China. In fact I just got out of the hospital 1 week ago and am in constant and continuous pain from my incident.

    The crowd gave no help, the crowd stood around and thought it was a comical social event. Even worse than the child in some ways. This type of behavior is COMMON in Communist China, in no way does it reflect the behavior of Chinese who don’t live on the mainland. It’s not racism, it’s fact for Chinese mainland. In fact the incident has sparked such outrage that many people within China are questioning the morality of the country as a whole. This has just increased that dialogue.

    So you oversensitive boob are the one who is really bringing race into this discussion. I currently live in China and don’t think badly of the people, but the system. Yeah, I don’t like it.

    Maybe you should get out travel and stop trying to think of yourself as higher than the others here who aren’t afraid to express real opinions instead of Politically sanitized BS that so much of our country thinks of as real opinions. (it’s not, it’s just people being scared to speak how they truly feel for fear of being ostracized by their neighbors/job/country etc, namely self-righteous people like you)

    @everyone else.

    I apologize for my outburst here, I just find people like this myopic nincompoop set me off. Especially when I personally just experienced nearly the exact same thing in Shanghai. And yes, I was the victim.


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  • Faisal Ali Khan, India