By on October 31, 2011

We’ve already seen what Toyota’s forthcoming FT-86 looks like (basically), and now that the spec sheet has been leaked [via ft86club.com] there’s really not much more suspense left around the new rear-drive sports coupe. In case you don’t read Japanese, here are the basics:

HP: 147kw (200ps) / 200hp @7000rpm
Torque: 205nm (151 lb/ft) @ 6600rpm
Weight: 1210kg (2662 pounds)

Of course, that’s for a low-spec, manual transmission version, which rides on 16 inch wheels. Top-spec versions with an automatic transmission will weigh as much as 2,755 lbs. Toys for the top-spec version include LED headlights, leather steering wheel, 6 speakers audio and sport pedals… but then, this is all JDM spec anyway. Since the FT-86 will be coming to the US as a Scion, it’s tough to predict how the spec sheet will be structured. Still, the basics are there… and they look tempting (and in line with what the car’s chief engineer has told us). Now we just need to drive the thing!

 

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31 Comments on “FT-86: The Specs...”


  • avatar
    Advance_92

    Wow, there will be a version with sixteen inch wheels? I wonder how lost they’ll look on that body.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      Intact 16 inchers look a whole lot better than cracked 19s :)

      The car is no taller than a Miata.

      For a daily driver streetcar, I generally prefer the smallest rims and tallest sidewalls that clear the brakes. And this car is marketed as a DD to young people (cue Scion), not as a track toy for Baby Boomers.

      One can always buy a pair of gumball shod, lightweight 18s separately for weekend track or canyon duty if one is so inclined.

      • 0 avatar
        mnm4ever

        Your theory on rims makes complete sense, but goes completely against what young people want. Even the Tc comes with 17″ rims standard, thats how Scion rolls. I bet we never see the 16″ rims here, and I am guessing they might even get standard 18″ rims on this car.

  • avatar
    Robert Fahey

    Only slightly taller than a Miata? Neat-O.

  • avatar
    LeMansteve

    200hp and 2,662lbs? Wow. The first car that came to mind was the GTI, which I believe is about 500-600lbs heavier. Some quick research tells me the Genesis Coupe is nearly as heavy as the GTI. Even the Si Coupe is 200lbs heavier!

    • 0 avatar
      cackalacka

      I do believe the GTI and the Genesis kick out a bit more torque. I’ll be curious to see what the Toyoboru fans do when they bolt some hair-dryers on.

      Now that’s one old-school bee right there. What’s the good word?

  • avatar
    Syke

    Can we get the damned car on sale already? I’m thoroughly sick of teasers, leaks, hints, promises, whatever. Another month of two of this leaking crap, and they might as well name the car Camaro . . . . or Volt.

  • avatar
    mitchw

    It’s light because it’s small. Autocar has a test drive of the prototype. Anyone know where the engine is mounted, ahead or behind the front axle?

  • avatar
    carve

    I’ll hold out for the turbo version. With direct injection this thing is crying out for a turbo. If HP can go north of 250 hp, the power to weight ratio will be about the same as a base Elise, except this car will be MUCH easier to live with.

    If it approaches 300 hp, it’ll have a power to weight ratio comparable to an Elise SC.

    I love how it has direct AND port injection. All the benefits of DI without the carbon buildup on the valves.

    The latest Car & Driver has the first test drive of the Subaru BRZ. They liked how it handled.

    • 0 avatar
      CurseWord

      I agree on the turbo. I called Vegas a year ago and put down my bet for the inevitable FT-86 Turbo/TRD/STI. The parts are sitting on Subaru’s shelves and should bolt right in. I can’t wait.

    • 0 avatar
      mnm4ever

      Subaru might, but I sincerely doubt Toyota/Scion would build anything with that level of performance. They have a long history of decontenting performance… our MR2 Spyder should have had the Celica GTS engine, but it got the GT engine. And its still tons of fun to drive, I dont see any reason to increase the power.

      The real beauty of this car will be to sell it “as is”, but make the factory-approved performance parts available to people who want more. TRD used to sell a ton of supercharger kits, dealer installed, etc. I think thats the way to go here too. Let the aftermarket take the platform as far as people want to go with it.

  • avatar
    L'avventura

    While I appreciate what Toyota is trying to do. Emphasize fun-over-paper specs. I have to question the viability of such a car in the American market.

    Assuming that this car is going to be priced in the mid-$20ks, the competition gets very tough. Specs become important. The cars that the FT86 are comparing itself to in the spec-sheet (MX5, RX-8, and CRZ) have poor sales in the US (CRZ has been panned, the MX5 hovers at the around 600~700 cars a month, the RX8 is dead).

    That being said, 2,662lbs is praise worthy. The 210hp Genesis 2.0T Coupe is staggeringly over 600lbs heavier than this FT-86; which is 3,300lbs for the manual based on Hyundai’s site. In fact, this car is even lighter than the S2000, which while more powerful has two only seats.

    If this car is priced right, its perfectly fine for a cheaper base model, but in the US muscle matters. Being known as a 200hp has its marketing downsides. 2662lbs in a good place to start, but adding a turbo or two, increasing the hp to 300hp and weight to 3,000lbs would be a far more attractive proposition in the US.

    I’m sure Toyota or Subaru would have something down the road, as even Toyota has shown a turbo-charged Gazoo FT86. But depending on the price, the car might be a shaky proposition. For the US, Toyota needs to convince people that put posters of Mustangs and Camaros on their wall that a Toyota can be an option.

    • 0 avatar
      Gedrven

      2662 pounds for a RWD car in this day and age is *very* praiseworthy. But even that weight figure is still leaving out the additional benefit of a very low- and relatively rear-mounted engine, which does at least as much for overall handling as the total weight. It’ll hang with an S2K while having a roof and more cargo space (I didn’t know it had rear seats, but I bet they aren’t real ones anyway), will probably be built about as well, and its future should be at least as bright as the Honda’s. In other words, successful.

      But I disagree about making a fat Americanized version of it to boost sales (unless it came with a 6-cylinder). I’d rather see them increase power, but *cut* weight with decontenting and lightweight materials; even if it costs twice as much, a low-2000′s almost-FMR trackday special would do well to serve as a halo car, particularly since actual people would buy it and show what it can do when tuned up.

      Even without such a version, I predict that there are going to be an awful lot of these showing up to DE’s within a few years.

      This and the VW Bluesport are the only new cars I find myself giving a damn about.

      • 0 avatar
        L'avventura

        Thing is, a turbo-charged FR-S/BRZ that has 300hp and weighs around 3,000lbs (assuming adding a turbo and the necessary tuning adds 300 lbs to the weight of the car) would still be very competitive.

        A 3,000lbs FR-S/BRZ with a turbo would be 400-500 lbs lighter than a V6 Genesis or Mustang of similar power, near 800 lbs lighter than a V6 Camaro.

        In fact, even at 200hp, the FR-S wouldn’t be too far off from the V6 Camaro in terms of power-to-weight ratio (181hp/tonne for the Camaro 312hp V6 versus 165hp/tonne for the 200hp FR-S). And even with a slightly higher power-to-weight ratio the FR-S being over 1,000lbs lighter has its inherit advantages in vehicle dynamics.

        So my point isn’t so much about if the car would be good or not. Rather, the type of car its trying to be, a light-weight Japanese vehicle with high-revs & low-torque like the RX8/S2000, aren’t very attractive to the American pallet.

    • 0 avatar
      jonnyguitar

      All the cars you mention have fatal flaws.

      RX-8 rotary engine, poor mileage and longevity.
      CR-Z – where to start? small car thats not fun to drive, and I believe very heavy
      MX5 – great car, still deals with chick car stigma

      I think Toyobaru has a hit on their hands, but we still have to see how it actually drives.

      • 0 avatar
        mnm4ever

        Exactly what I was thinking when I saw the posts panning it. I think this car might just hit the sweet spot that all the other competitors are/were missing. I think of it as a Miata with back seats… I think there are MANY potential MX5 buyers that dont pull the trigger because they have kids and need at least a cursory rear seat to be able to occasionally pick them up from school or drop them off.

  • avatar
    bikegoesbaa

    Any word on the hatchback Diesel version?

  • avatar
    Brock_Landers

    Because of the low weight this car can do without turbos. You dont need torque if the car is light. True to the original this car will be lightweight high revving small displacement rwd coupe with phenomenal handling and steering feedback. Looking at the engine specs and low weight this car will earn its stripes on racetracks – naturally aspirated and high revving (redline at least 7500rpm), a rare combination these days. Clubsport version will be something similar to Integra Type-R.

    Nice change in automotive scenery – a vanilla fwd brand without any sportscars in the lineup creates unique rwd platform with unusual high revving engine and plans to sell it cheap. German “passion” brands at the same time are trying to sell customers realtively expensive “sports” cars based on fwd family-car platforms (using very common high-production-volume turbo engines), main selling point being design – Audi TT, VW Scirocco.

    • 0 avatar
      carve

      “a vanilla fwd brand without any sportscars in the lineup creates unique rwd platform with unusual high revving engine”

      Subaru is responsible for both the platform and the engine.

  • avatar
    Sammy B

    I like the strategy of the lower performance Toyota and higher performance Subaru. I have a feeling that pairing is the only way to really sell a number of these (subaru fans would balk at a lower performance model, whereas the scion model’s lower price and lower performance align with that brand).

    what will be outstanding is if they ultimately come up with a low volume Toyota branded turbo model….but that would not sell well and probably cost $30K.

    either way….just sell it!

    and make a wagon version :)

  • avatar
    M.S. Smith

    Oh look. Enthusiasts crying about horsepower in a car we sincerely hope will be Miata affordable. What a surprise.

    Personally, I am impressed. Now the only question is price. Can they fit it in around 22-25K? They’ll need to. If they do, I might purchase one, though it may not be out before I look to buy and I’m sure as heck not going to get caught up in the first-on-the-block price mark-up festival.

    In any case, I do agree that sales are unlikely to be great. Light weight will mean solid performance but could indicate sacrifices in cabin noise, and this thing isn’t that much bigger than a Miata, so space will be at a premium.

    Oh, and I think branding this car as a Scion is an error. When will Toyota give up on the idea that, if they just throw enough force of will and money at Scion, it will become a youth-oriented brand? Give it up, young people can’t afford new cars. They should slap a Toyota badge on it and use it as an entry-level halo car like the Veloster.

  • avatar
    Quentin

    I was hoping for 180hp and 2700lbs when this was first shown. At 200hp and 2660lbs, I’m thrilled! I hope the price is right. Maybe the low HP number will push teen drivers toward Mustangs and Camaros and keep the insurance rates on the FR-S low.

  • avatar
    rochskier

    Those are pretty good power numbers for the base model. The hp/weight ratio is slightly better than the 1990 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD/Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX twins that were outstanding performance values at their introduction. If they can stick a turbo in the higher-spec version they’ll have a real killer on their hands.

    • 0 avatar
      JMII

      Yeah but the turbo versions had more torque. A turbo version of FT-86 would be beyond awesome. By the time these hit the used market maybe I’ll be over my newest car: a 350 Z… yep finally bought one and loving every minute of it.

  • avatar
    Educator(of teachers)Dan

    Sounds like an RX8 without the rotary drawbacks.


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