By on August 26, 2011

 

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Matt writes:

Sajeev and Steve,

I think it’s time to replace my wife’s 2005 Honda Odyssey EX-L. It’s got 48,000 on the clock and has developed a few problems over the years. Power side doors that get wonky on really cold days, a slow leak in the AC system, a leak somewhere around the windshield, and an intermittent airbag light most recently, to name a few. None of these things is that big a deal, but considering that my wife has held a grudge against me for convincing her to buy a minivan in the first place, they are just mounting evidence in her case to replace the Ody.

Don’t get me wrong, we both admire the van. It’s a good highway cruiser, gets OK gas mileage, and can haul massive amounts of stuff. But we have no passion for it, and we’ve decided that we’re secure enough to get a vehicle that we really WANT, not just tolerate. I’m normally the type to hang on to a car for at least 100K miles, but I’ve had to hear complaints for 6 years, and I’m ready to give in. Besides, I still use my 2001 Accord as my daily commuter to the train station and back, and since I just dropped $2,000 on all the 100K service items, I intend to hang on to it. Besides, I like it. But back to the van…

The replacement probably has to be new. Wifey hates used cars…something about having to deal with other people’s problems and dirt. She claims she’s open to the CPO route, but usually she finds something wrong. Seems like many of these off-lease cars were formerly smokers’ cars, and she’s insanely sensitive to any odors, even after intensive detailing. Fortunately, she’s not affected by the toxic gasses leeching out of the plastic on brand-new vehicles. But I digress.

90% of the time she’s using it for normal soccer mom duties, hauling our little ones aged 5 and 7. It has to be an SUV/CUV. My love has always wanted a truck and has been denied her whole life, so the idea of a jacked-up station wagon appeals to her very much. And please, 4WD/AWD only—apparently it’s necessary for all those 2-3 in snowfalls Chicago is famous for. Towing isn’t much of an issue, since there are no 10,000 pound boats to tow in my future, for now.

Three rows of seating would be nice, but we’re on the fence. Honestly, we only use the third row 5-10 times a year. But when we do, it is nice to have. Built-in navigation is a must (tired of the Tom Tom falling off the windshield unexpectedly and scaring the bejeezus out of me), and I’m kind of a gadget guy, so I’d like something with all the latest cool bells and whistles. Even though I know that it just ups the chance of something breaking.

Oh, and it has to be somewhat truck-like. My lovely bride isn’t fooled by a Forester, so there’s no need to even go there. If it doesn’t look like a truck, it won’t make the cut. I figure I’m not going to get out of this without spending $35-45K, and have promised her that she gets to make the decision, as long as she keeps it reasonable. No Audi Q7s or ‘Slades in her future, then.

The candidates:

  • 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee – Probably tops on the list right now. If we go this route, it’s got to be a Hemi. It’s my money, and if I want to be stupid with it and get gas mileage in the teens, then so be it. It would just be too hard to pass up the chance for a big-a** V8. It does OK on the gadget test, but without three rows, we get a bit nervous. We’d have to go for Limited or Overland trim.
  • 2011 Dodge Durango – I thought it would be a good candidate as a pseudo-Jeep Grand Cherokee with a third row, but my partner didn’t think it was truck-enough.
  • 2011 Ford Explorer – Scores high on the bells-and-whistles test, but my wife thinks it’s ugly on the outside. The usable third row would be a plus, though.
  • Honda Pilot – A strong contender until the latest crop of competitors came out. Besides, we’re sort of over the Honda thing. We’ve been driving them for 15 years, and frankly, their quality has gone down. I think my ’01 Accord is a better car than the Ody in many ways – except for the 2 failed transmissions, which I’ll save for a future Piston Slap question.
  • Acura MDX – Wife has always liked this, though it starts to get a little pricey as you option it up. Regarding quality, see “Honda Pilot above.”
  • Toyota Highlander – She thinks it looks “kind of luxurious” on the inside but I think Toyotas are bland. It is nice that you can get a third row.
  • Toyota 4-Runner – She likes it because it looks tough. She hasn’t driven it though, so I’m thinking that she might change her tune after some extended time with it.
  • GMC Yukon – This is truckish, all right. Saw it at the auto show and my wife loved it. Cons: third row is kind of a joke, and it scores low on the gadget department.

So, what do you think guys?

Steve Answers:

You need to figure out if this is the time to be a ‘keeper’. My brother’s family is going through one kid who is college bound and two others who will be of driving age in the next four years.

They no longer need the ‘BIG’ vehicle as a long-term keeper. You may be in the same boat as time goes on.

If we’re talking about the ‘thou shalt’ of making your wife happy, for now, I would look at the Highlander and Yukon. They are both well-designed vehicles and should keep her happy… until your needs change. Or until gas prices potentially zoom up to the ionosphere.

You know me by now. I love safety, and don’t believe for a minute that bulk and bloat equate to it. A front wheel drive midsize to full-sized cars would be a far better long-term value for you. However I’m not married to your wife.

If she’s stubborn then just make her happy. Or for a nominal fee, I can ask some old friends of mine from Jersey to help do some ‘traditional’ persuading.

Good luck!

Sajeev answers:

Not that it’s a problem per se, but the crux of your quandary is your wife’s perception of trucky-ness. It’s all good, as I have a rather severe distain for the automotive buffalo butt. As such, I suspect a look at all large crossovers on any one of the automotive shopping websites will help narrow down the choices. An Acura MDX should hit all the size/tech requirements, except Acura doesn’t make anything even remotely truck like. I will second the Toyota 4Runner, even if its not the most efficient package on the market. That said, go all out and grab a Ford Expedition: with SYNC+Navigation and an unbelievably well executed third row (folded or in use) you may never care about the “shamefuel” mileage. (snort)

Or just screw it and get a Lincoln Town Car with winter tires. Solid axle, BOF construction and stupid-durable suspension makes it more of a truck than most of these limp wristed pansies, that’s for sure.

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38 Comments on “New or Used: A Truck For My Love...”


  • avatar

    It’s always hard to do the right thing. Mama would want a Q7, never mind the size of the beast, the cost, or lack or reason to buy it.

    The MDX is the only one of the group that handles. Yes, a hemi is nice, but the MDX is the only answer unless you want to go Blue mit Weiss and pay through the XXX. I always say if you see my MDX off road, call a tow truck. On road, it rocks.

    I too have this issue, but a used minivan @ 17k would do the job. My wife would not go for that either…..

  • avatar
    92golf

    It’s not for everyone but if you can live without the third row what about an Avalanche? You can’t get much more “trucky” than that.
    I used to scoff at these things but I have several friends who have one and they just can’t say enough good things about them.

    +1 on the Expedition though. If having the third-row in use and still being able to carry huge amounts of “stuff” is important get the long version.

  • avatar
    eggsalad

    I had a wife like this once. The correct answer was divorce. Alternately, just let her pick what car she likes, and let her pay for it.

    • 0 avatar
      Educator(of teachers)Dan

      +1 to Eggsalad: My fiance is enamored with CUVs/SUVs (we don’t have any kids yet). But with a solid plan to keep our fiances as separate as humanly possible (me with one divorce and her with the lessons of her father’s first marriage)I really don’t care what she gets as long as she can afford it. She’ll seek my advice (as an enthusiast with automotive knowledge) but ultimately the decision and the loan payment are hers.

    • 0 avatar
      ciddyguy

      Bingo, that was my thought too on the big D word.

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      eggsalad,
      I’m glad I wasn’t the only one with that impression. She sounds exhausting and not in that charming hyperactive way. Even Matt sounds wearied.

      I know a “wifey” who also insisted on a big ‘ol truck-based SUV for suburban duty because it looked cool. Financial reality soon hit and they traded it in for something rational.

      BTW, you have a 5 and 7 year old and she has a problem with other people’s dirt? Can you say cognitive dissonance?

  • avatar
    NormSV650

    Chevy Traverse or GMC or Buick version. Class leader in size and efficiency. Priced right to have cash leftover.

  • avatar
    Educator(of teachers)Dan

    In a perfect practical world she would go with Sajeev’s advice. Town Car with winter rubber. Dropped off my fiance’s Vibe for an oil change today and the Pontiac/GMC dealer threw me the keys to a 1999 Town Car with 63,000 miles on it. Basic Signature model with few options but god that sucker is a blast on the interstate (ran it down I40 the 5 miles between the dealer and the office.) She needs a detailing and there’s one rip in the leather but Dan is starting to think he needs a real honest to god land barge. :P

  • avatar
    jdhall

    If she wants a truck, why not go all the way. Buy her a short bed club-cab pickup. You won’t have a third seat, but my 4×4 Dodge seats six (well 5-1/2) and has always been the family hauler.

    MY wife’s dream vehicle was/is the WS6 Trans Am that she got in 2000. The pickup has way more room.

  • avatar
    radimus

    “GMC Yukon – This is truckish, all right. Saw it at the auto show and my wife loved it. Cons: third row is kind of a joke, and it scores low on the gadget department.”

    A good third row seat is what the Yukon XL is for. And what’s this “scores low in the gadget department” nonsense? It’s a TRUCK for cryin’ out loud. Go take her for a test drive in a 91 Suburban and she’ll have a whole new perspective.

  • avatar
    ExPatBrit

    You haven’t mentioned anything really scary (ie German ).

    The Highlanders are great vehicles, perfect for the woman who really should have a minivan but wants to play dress-up.

    Yes we had one!

    Regarding the Navigation, within a couple of years plan on attaching a new Garmin/ Tom-Tom whatever to the windshield , nothing gets obsolete as fast as a vehicle GPS.

    The cost of upgrading a built in units is cost prohibitive, so if you plan on keeping the vehicle for 100,000 miles expect it to be worse than useless for most of that time.

  • avatar
    MrWhopee

    How about a Ford Super Duty F250 with the diesel engine? The truck’s height and diesel engine and its huge tonka-toy grille should appease your wife’s lust for truckiness. You can even add roof clearance lights for that extra “truckness”. If not, then you’ll have no choice but to go class-8 (tractor trailer). The crew cab with front bench seat will carry 6 people with room to spare. It can be optioned with lots of toys as well, heated seats, Ford sync, etc. Even power sliding rear window and power retracting mirrors. And in higher trim level the interior is as nice as luxury car’s. You’ll get to enjoy reasonable gas mileage (for something that size) and 800lb-ft of torque.

  • avatar
    gslippy

    Toyota FJ-40, if she likes a tough-looking vehicle with a cool interior.

    And how about that, a low-mileage Honda with problems. My 05 Ody had trouble from the day I bought it (with the sliding doors, too). You’re patient.

  • avatar
    Detroit-Iron

    Expedition all the way.

  • avatar
    SherbornSean

    Matt,
    As it so happens, I am in the market for a 5 year old Ody EX-L. If you are in the Boston area, let me know…

  • avatar
    Mr. K

    Jeep Grand Cherokee all the way! Wait for the ’12 if you can.
    Since you are spending a silly amount of money on a silly vehicle what about a Lexus RX? A Lincoln MKT? Ohh I got it! She could be ***COOL MOM** with a Range Rover Evoque!

    Get the Jeep. Try to sell her on a SRT8 :)

  • avatar
    mazder3

    CPO Expedition EL King Ranch. Heck, you might be able to get an unsold 2010 for a pittance.

    • 0 avatar
      mazder3

      Or a Funkmaster Flex edition. It’ll get the kiddies all excited. Plus, it has a 340-watt Audiophile Sound System, MP3 player audio jack, Powerfold third-row seating, heated and cooled front seats and an optional navigation system, power liftgate and rear-seat DVD entertainment system. If you can’t find one with the navi, there are some excellent in-dash units out there for around $700.

  • avatar
    azmtbkr81

    If she liked the Grand Cherokee I’m surprised she didn’t like the Durango – seems like that would be a perfect match. A guy a work has one and I was actually surprised by how much it looks like a truck compared to other crossovers.

  • avatar
    mikey

    My oldest daughter, has a 2011 Grand Cherokee. Daughter number two has a loaded 2010 CRV. Both girls are in the thirties,with a couple of kids. I’ve driven both cars/trucks extensivly.

    The Honda is for sure, a sweet little ride. You could never call the CRV “trucky”

    I’m a life long GM man. Daughter number ones Grand Cherokee is everything you could want in a “trucky” SUV. Oh, I tried to get her into a Yukon. “No way Dad” she tells me. So she bought the Jeep.

    I will have to admit, the Grand Cherokee is one nice vehicle.

    BTW… 48000 on high end Honda minivan? Already it has issues.

    Must be that superior Japanese enginering eh?

    • 0 avatar
      Loser

      mikey,
      How dare you doubt Honda reliability. Never has been and never will be a Honda with issues. You Detroiters will do anything to cast doubt on infallibe Honda/Toyota. ;)

  • avatar
    Scoutdude

    Odysseys seem to be popular last Hondas.

    If you really want trucky and are considering a Yukon you really need to check out the Expedition. If you want tech the Ford wins and the #rd row is far superior to the GM offering in or not in use.

    The new Eco-boost Explorer sounds interesting and probably worth a drive if you can wait around until the start showing up at dealers.

  • avatar
    ciddyguy

    First off, I had to read the early part of this entry again as I could have sworn you meant 148000 miles instead of 48000 miles. Man you guys don’t drive it all that much, do you? That’s roughly 8000 a year, which is a bit below average these days.

    Also, for most cars these days, 100,000 miles is puppy miles as you can get easily 200,000 miles or much more if you take proper care of it.

    That said, it’s obvious Honda’s reliability and quality aren’t as they once were.

    But this issue your wife has about the car not being “trucky” enough, man, the girl has issues is my thinking. Most trucks didn’t used to have the same crash results that a good, safe automobile will have and their bulk meant they weren’t handlers either to help you get out of any potential danger, should you find yourself in one. As for 4WD/AWD, they don’t help you in inclement weather much except to help get you moving from a dead stop but their cornering and stopping capabilities are no better than a 2WD vehicle otherwise and for off road duty, a true 4×4 is the only way or Land Rover/Range Rover or the new 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee, which I hear has fantastic off road capabilities.

    In the end, sounds like she won’t be satisfied unless she gets to make the decision and even then, I hope she likes HER decision or she’s one unhappy lady in life.

  • avatar
    NulloModo

    I’ll cast another vote for the Expedition. It has all of the truckiness of the Yukon, but with a much roomier and more comfortable 3rd row, IRS for a better ride, and still comes with the pre-MyFord Touch nav/Sync combo for the perfect combination of features and ease of use.

    The Explorer hits the sweet spot for best interior and tech goodies for the price, but it’s a FWD based CUV more than a true truck based SUV now. If she only cares about truck looks, the Explorer could also make a lot of sense, but if she likes the BOF trucky feel, I’d think the Expedition would be a better fit. Still, both are available at the same dealer, so take some time to test drive both and see what she likes more.

  • avatar
    pdieten

    You know what you want, Matt? You want a CPO Chrysler Aspen. Or an ’09 Durango Limited.

    Actually, almost nobody wants one of those. But except for the fact that it would probably be less reliable than the Odyssey, it would fit her requirements to a T.

  • avatar
    highdesertcat

    Hey, if Mama ain’t happy, nobody ain’t happy! When my wife retired her 1992 Towncar she ended up choosing a 2008 Highlander Limited AWD, after looking at a boatload of SUVs and CUVs. It meets all of Matt’s requirements but be prepared to pay considerable more for it than the competition; for 2011/2012 it’s closer to $50K.

    Buy a JGC and inherit the same problems as all of the Chrysler products, mostly nit-noy issues. It’s OK if you can put up with warranty issues but better research it before you commit. There’s a reason Chrysler products are rated dead last by the rating agencies that matter.

    My recommendation for Matt would be to consider a Sequoia AWD. That may be our next SUV when we trade the Highlander next year.

    • 0 avatar
      Mr. K

      highdesertcat said:

      “Buy a JGC and inherit the same problems as all of the Chrysler products, mostly nit-noy issues. It’s OK if you can put up with warranty issues but better research it before you commit. There’s a reason Chrysler products are rated dead last by the rating agencies that matter.”

      Ya know…

      This has been true in the past, but I think MoPar has seen the light as did their owners years ago.

      I think the powertrain of a MoPar with a v8 should be fine, I am also fairly sure that the new Pentastar will be a great engine. If I were to buy a 300 or JGC better believe there would be a hemi in it.

      Yeah every piece of trim came off of 1970′s and 1980′s MoPards – but the general level of upmarket MoPars like the JGC and the 300 was ok – not anywhere close to the best I will grant ya, but ok. The 2011 300 and JGC (and sebring/200)have been redesigned with great improvements in the interior and trim.

      Since every time a vehicle comes back for warranty service it costs the manufacturer money does it stand to reason that the redesign of the vehicles included great care to test and prevent noise, rattles, and failures?

      Yeah I know should and did are 2 different things but MoPar has their back against the wall and they know it.

      I stand by my JGC recommendation – but find little fault with the Fords either.

      How much truckier can ya get?

      http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/2012-land-rover-range-rover-evoque-inline-22/4486118-1-eng-US/2012-land-rover-range-rover-evoque-inline-2.jpg

      http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/2012-land-rover-range-rover-evoque-inline-22/4486118-1-eng-US/2012-land-rover-range-rover-evoque-inline-2.jpg

      http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/reviews/car/11q3/2012_land_rover_range_rover_evoque-first_drive_review/gallery/2012_land_rover_range_rover_evoque_5-door_photo_61/4487024-1-eng-US/2012_land_rover_range_rover_evoque_161_2_cd_gallery.jpg

  • avatar
    SWComp

    this 2008 SRX with 4500 miles:

    http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=304519966

    close to Chicago; get a CPO warranty and you’re good to go!

  • avatar
    jjf

    I had a similar situation. In ’06 wife “needed” a Jeep Commander to safely drive our first born around. She never got a Cherokee in her youth. Problem was that I ended up mostly driving her and baby around in it, and I disdain SUVs. The cramped interior, terrible mileage, tiny gas tank, poor reliability, stalling issues, etc grated on me. That and the fact that she avoids driving in the rain, won’t drive in the snow, and was afraid to drive on gravel roads. That thing could ford streams and drive through foot deep mud. No she didn’t “need” it.

    Toward the end our ownership I cursed it daily. Thrice weekly fill-ups and many trips to the dealership built up lots of anger, and I wasn’t shy about sharing my feelings. We finally dumped it for an ’11 XC70 and are both much happier.

  • avatar
    mnm4ever

    I think you need to learn from the minivan debacle and stop choosing cars for your wife. I can promise you now that she will not use any logic when it comes to car decisions, and in the end this will only frustrate you. Whats “trucky” mean?? A Highlander isnt the least bit trucky, and if she can honestly be choosing between a Highlander and a Yukon then you, my friend, are married to a woman who is related to my own wife. SUV, crossover, pickup truck, tall wagon, luxury, near-luxury… who knows what they want?!?!? Let her choose.

    Here is what you do: Turn car shopping into date day/night, and go around to every dealership and let HER pick what she wants to drive. Dont even help point something out, a big part of this will be what catches her eye first. Forget CPO, at least until you choose a new one and then maybe cross-shop some used ones. Scratch that… forget CPO. I am betting she will want a particular color combo too, and finding that used will not be fun. Dont get stressed, let her be in charge, let her opinions count, take her to lunch, no pressure, just try things out. You may even get lucky later… :)

    Final bit of advice: If you only put 48k miles on the Honda in 6 yrs, consider leasing. She will get tired of her choice again, and in less than 6 yrs. Yea, yea, I know it doesnt make financial sense most of the time and you are wasting your money, blah blah blah. If you drop $40k+ on a crossover that your wife decides in 3 yrs or so that she doesnt like, you are just going to be doing this all over again. You can get some really sweet subsidized lease deals on large luxury SUVs, the worse the gas mileage the better the deal. At least run the numbers!

    Dont forget to check out Land Rover, Volvo, Buick, and, if she REALLY wants a truck, the Ford F150 Platinum. My wife loves those, she hates pickups but would drive one of those, especially with the 22″ rims.

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      +1 on showing her everything that’s out there and letting her choose with minimal input.

      +1 on considering a lease. It sounds likely she will get bored soon with whatever she chooses. And since CPO is mysteriously out of the question, you will take a huge wash at trade in time.

  • avatar
    SherbornSean

    I think your wife is the reason the GMC Granite was created. I can’t think of another reason.

  • avatar
    Mr. K

    mnm4ever had a lot of good advice and said:

    “I can promise you now that she will not use any logic when it comes to car decisions, and in the end this will only frustrate you. Whats “trucky” mean?? A Highlander isnt the least bit trucky, and if she can honestly be choosing between a Highlander and a Yukon then you, my friend, are married to a woman who is related to my own wife. SUV, crossover, pickup truck, tall wagon, luxury, near-luxury… who knows what they want?!?!? Let her choose.”

    Great advice from a MAN who knows both cars and women!

    “Final bit of advice: If you only put 48k miles on the Honda in 6 yrs, consider leasing. She will get tired of her choice again, and in less than 6 yrs. Yea, yea, I know it doesnt make financial sense most of the time and you are wasting your money, blah blah blah. If you drop $40k+ on a crossover that your wife decides in 3 yrs or so that she doesnt like, you are just going to be doing this all over again. You can get some really sweet subsidized lease deals on large luxury SUVs, the worse the gas mileage the better the deal. At least run the numbers!”

    More good advice…

  • avatar
    Type57SC

    I’m not sure how one submits these so I’ll paste it in here and see what happens. Since it’s not for a sports car, I have little interest as I dread the crabmobile that awaits me on family vacations.

    My wife currently has a Saab 9-3 wagon with 2.0 engine and not many options. $330/mo nothing up front or at end of lease. 12k miles per year.

    New car needs to be able to take 3 child seats abreast of each other. She hates the un-green image of CUVs/SUVs and isn’t keen on minivan image either. She mocks owners of either. She has a strong snob bias to Europeans except for VW, not American cars, even Cadillac, Lincoln, Jeep. Kinda neutral on Asian.

    My wife’s thoughts (obviously the 500 and Mini are out since they are 4 seaters, but you get the idea):

    Bottom line, I would like something:
    - inexpensive (<$300/month lease or similar monthly cost after we sell it)
    - Either a premium brand (BMW, Saab, Volvo, Mercedes, Audi, etc) or a cool car (prius V, fiat 500, Leaf, the mini wagon is really cute…) and not obviously outdated
    - Features like sun roof, engine and navigation are not important. Leather good.
    - Energy efficient. At least as cheap as the saab. It is actually pretty good. Regular gas not premium is great.
    - If you can't find something you like, maybe we should get another takeover lease just like the car I have now. But I do have to admit that it may not be the best option since I seem to dent cars easily…

    • 0 avatar
      Educator(of teachers)Dan

      Need help with a car buying conundrum? Email your particulars to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com , and let TTAC’s collective wisdom make the decision easier… or possibly much, much harder.

  • avatar
    Type57SC

    BTW, on Matt’s question, I would suggest the base Cayenne ordered (you won’t find any in stock) if image is important or MDX bought off inventory and agressively negotiated if image isn’t so important.

  • avatar
    geozinger

    My coworker (whom I really like) let his indecisive wife give him ideas about what kind of car they should get now that they have two children. Additionally, they ferry around many of the cousins and they wanted to get a 7 passenger SUV/CUV. Oddly enough, they already own a Toyota Highlander, but apparently it wasn’t big enough. His first suggestion to her? A Honda Pilot. She pooh poohed the idea…

    Me, being the idiot I am, offered to braistorm with him what to get. We talked about every frakin SUV/CUV you could imagine (including oddballs like the Mitsubishi Endeavour, etc.), she shot down every suggestion. I began to understand why he dreaded this particular job, I can’t say I blame him.

    After four months of suggestions and shoot downs, he finally puts his foot down and leases a… Honda Pilot.

    As for me, after 25 years of marriage, I’m a pretty lucky guy. She knows whatever she chooses she will have to live with and pay for. If she doesn’t like it, tough. Only twice have I intervened, once because I didn’t think the car would hold up over the long run, and twice when we managed to get a screaming deal on another one (that she actually liked, it was a good deal all the way around).

    But lately she’s been bugging me for another car. Somewhere out there is a Hemi Challenger with her name on it. But she will be ponying up for it…

    Maybe let her pick it out and pay for it. I bet she chooses wisely…

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    Your wife likes the homely Yukon over the much more attractive Tahoe? I might recommend that, except she’s not towing squat and therefore has absolutely no business owning one. We owned the 1st generation Hylander. Not a truck by any means and one of the most useless vehicles I have had parked in my garage. Maybe I’m biased because I didn’t buy the oil sludging POS!


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