By on August 13, 2011

Twenty years from now I’ll still be looking at cars. They may become faster than today’s sports cars and more luxurious than a Mercedes S-Class. But many of us enthusiasts will find something missing within all their awesomeness

That’s because great cars are not about perfection. They are about character. With that in mind, I found a pristine 1995 Lincoln Town Car the other day. With good miles, pristine leather, and a driving experience as Americana as a 1965 Mustang, it may someday become a collectible worth keeping. But then again…

Consumable: These things are as common as wigs and pill popping in today’s retirement communities. The 4.6 Liter engine was used in almost every rear wheel drive car Ford built from 1993 to 2011. Millions of vehicles were given the same powertrain ad nauseum.and with that comes a startling array of authentic alternatives.

Are any of them better or more ‘authentic’ than my Clinton era Town Car? Do they represent ‘the ‘good old days’ in better ways than the interminable time warp that only comes from a car marketed to those tired but no so poor masses who yearned for luxury above all else?

Collectible: No. Not in my estimation. The Thunderbird was an overweight flop. Crown Vics only have their cop cars and special editions offering true cache. The Mark VIII may have greater power and twice the technology than a Town Car. But it is also a buggy little bastard with an interior that is a testament to low grade plastics and petrochemicals.

To me the 1995 Lincoln Town Car is the Rolls-Royce of body-on-frame Fords. The dashboard was finally given a contemporary look (for it’s time) that also offered enough computerized frippery to be considered quaint in the decades to come. Much in the same way as 1960’s radios and dashboards are considered de rigueur in today’s car world.

The Total Package: But the ultimate complement to these Town Cars are their bodies. Rectangular and squared to the power of presence. There is no mistaking a Town Car for anything else on the road. Beyond the design dynamics, there are also precious vehicles of that time which will offer you the same level of  quietness, detachment and float. Few of which were worth a flip.

Cadillac Devilles of the mid-90’s were rolling billboards attached to ticking Northstar time bombs.Auroras had bugs and defects that were so thoroughly vested within it, that few offered their owners any long term bliss. Other Oldsmobiles were boring and bland. The Chrysler LHS had an Iacoccas worth of cheap plastics on the inside.

As for Buick? The sedan was nothing special. But I will give kudos to the wagons. Many of which may become to Ultra-Orthodox Jews what horse and buggys are to the Amish.

I think many of the classic car collectors of 2025 and beyond will love a 1995 Lincoln Town Car. What says you? Am I riding shotgun on today’s automotive prognostications?  Or am I stuck in the Town Car’s cavernous trunk hoping that the exhaust fumes don’t overtake my delusional state of judgment? Time will tell. But what says you?

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50 Comments on “Collectible or Consumable?: 1995 Lincoln Town Car...”


  • avatar
    Patrickj

    I’ll guess that they will become collectible; the mass-market V8 RWD vehicle is not coming back.

    1957 Chevies and 1965 Mustangs were common in their time as well, and most of the non-fleet Town Cars will disappear from the road as their owners go to nursing homes.

  • avatar
    Schmedward

    The “consumable” Town Car? The best TCs were built up until 1997 when they were replaced by the “all new” 1998 model that no one liked, especially not the Limo companies. A great used vehicle and my 1997 Signature was loved for trips, with 24mpg and everyone rode in comfort, arriving unstressed and refreshed. Typically inexpensive to maintain with the 7,500 services averaging less than $100. The average age of the TC buyers were 63 and were retired. My 52,000 were low cost and I sold it easily to a 68 year old retired Navy veteran who still drives our “Blue Canoe” today. Not collectable, but one of the better Ford products of all time.

  • avatar
    Educator(of teachers)Dan

    Collectable. Although I would buy it and drive it. Just cause it’s a collectable doesn’t mean I’d want to ferry it around on a trailer or hardly every drive it. Black Town Car with a contrasting leather interior is still bada$$ in my book.

  • avatar
    gottacook

    What does this mean? “But I will give kudos to the [full-size rear-drive 1990s Buick] wagons. Many of which may become to Ultra-Orthodox Jews what horse and buggys are to the Amish.” I’m not orthodox myself but live in a suburban Maryland neighborhood that largely is, and other than on shabbat and holidays – when they walk down the middle of the street even on blocks with sidewalks (which can be annoying) – they drive what anyone else around here with big families drives: minivans, and very occasionally a full-size van. I haven’t once seen a traditional three-row station wagon (1990s GM or any other) in the 14 years I’ve lived here. Where are you talking about?

  • avatar
    Steven Lang

    East coast. Primarily the larger communities in the New York and Baltimore area.

    I have two friends who actively seek these vehicles for folks who live in these communities. They routinely earn a nice price premium at many of the larger auctions because of this.

    Ronnie Schrieber can likely provide a bit more details on this as well. Then there is also this…

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1996-08-18/news/1996231068_1_wagons-orthodox-family-utility-vehicles

    and this…

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/09/today-i-found-eclectic-bubbleland/

    The Roadmaster wagon has been replaced by a long list of other vehicles that you have already mentioned. The youngest ones are 15 years old after all. But they are still valued by many folks in the ultra-orthodox communities.

    • 0 avatar

      Here in Detroit, while there are still some Buick Estate Wagons and Caprice Classic Wagons, the “typical frum station wagon” has been replaced, as gottacook pointed out, by minivans or full size passenger vans. There was a time when it was nothing but GM & Ford wagons, but that time has mostly passed. I can see how some folks might pay a premium for a wagon but my guess is that your typical Orthodox matron would rather drive a new minivan than a 15 year old car, just like their secular sisters.

      BTW, you haven’t experienced poor handling till you’ve driven a 12 or 15 passenger Econoline, fully loaded.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Agree with Steve Lang on East Coast. We sold our 1992 TC (with 105,000 miles on it) that had been my wife’s daily driver to a young Airman at the nearby airbase when she bought her 2008 Highlander. We sold it for cheap. REALLY CHEAP! The kid drove it home to Charleston after he got out of the service and was overwhelmed with offers from old people to buy it from him. LOL!

      In an email to us he wrote us that it was the cleanest TC around since it had been kept in the high desert of New Mexico since it was bought in Dec 1991. Not a speck of rust on it. He sold it and got much more for it than he paid us.

      Once he got a job in Charleston he used that money as down payment on a brand new Mazda3. What a difference in driving experience!

  • avatar
    SailorHarry

    The 1995 Cadillac Fleetwood will be collectible, the 1995 Town Car not so much. Yes, they are good cars. They will certainly be classics. But “collectible” implies something beyond just being a classic car. The 1992-1996 Fleetwood has the distinction of being the last traditional Cadillac. They sold in much lower numbers than the Town Car, which went on selling in good numbers for another 16 years. If you want a Town Car there is little functional difference between a 1995 and a 2005, and little to distinguish that model from the one before it or the one after it.

  • avatar
    getacargetacheck

    Probably consumable — those kinds of cars had already begun their prestige decline. That body style to me is the best-looking Town Car ever. Appropriate rectangles but aero at the same time. The pre-1997 Buick Park Avenue was also a nice car.

  • avatar
    gottacook

    That’s really interesting – the idea that a substantial subset of the orthodox are such fans of old-style station wagons that they still actively seek them out and maintain them (and prefer them to vans) is intriguing. I grew up with 1960s Pontiac wagons myself and have many fond memories of them; the last was a fully optioned ’67 Executive (including 8-track stereo with one speaker in the dash and the other in the right rear opposite the spare tire compartment). I’m in a DC suburb and haven’t spent much time in the area mentioned in the 1996 Baltimore Sun article.

  • avatar
    sandberg

    One of my neighbors (he is 92) has a pristine ’96 in his garage. I am waiting for him to sell it to me, will go well with my ’99 Riviera Silver Arrow….

  • avatar
    Giltibo

    Definitely Consumable. The Crown Vic and Town car are two versions of the same car: One for the cops, and one, more luxurious for the Carriage Trade.

  • avatar
    ehaase

    The Lincoln MKS would sell a little better if it looked more like a 1995 Town Car than an Acura.

  • avatar
    Ian Anderson

    I’ll say collectible, there’s going to be Panther enthusiasts looking for anything on that frame in the next 10-20 years that hasn’t served as a taxi or limo and racked up half a million miles because of it. That applies to almost any car that has come and gone (look at Acura Legend guys, they’ll pay $9K for a ’95 six-speed Coupe in good condition).

  • avatar
    facelvega

    Okay, the Cadillacs of that period do have a longevity problem with the northstar, but I think that despite the complexity the Mark VIII is still collectible and probably the better Ford beast of the time, while the Park Ave, Lesabre, Riviera, 98, and LSS all have much to recommend them to the bottom-of-the-value-curve collector.

    Funny observation about the Orthodox Jews. I live near one of the biggest Hasidic communities in NYC (a whole different thing from most orthodox jews, but still), and I’m always struck by the fact that at least half of them drive Honda Odysseys, with other minivans getting it up to say 80 percent minimum. Whole blocks of parked cars will have nothing but Odysseys and occasional Siennas and Caravans. Don’t see the station wagons though, I guess the Hasids just have to be different.

    • 0 avatar
      MRF 95 T-Bird

      I live in NYC as well and up until a few years ago the Orthodox Jews vehicle of choice was the full-sized GM wagon with a few late 80’s early 90’s Crown Vics still putting along. I have never seen any in a Magnum, mainly for the lack of 3rd seat. I do see many younger folks of all stripes in these many of whom never experienced 60’s-70’s wagonmania. These days it seems like the vehicle of choice for the Orthodox Jews is the mini-van mainly the Odyessey or Mopar though I see some in full-sized SUV’s. Oy the fuel economy those awful Saudis.

  • avatar
    tonyola

    It’s going to be a while before the last square Town Cars are truly collectible but to me they look far, far better than the later Jaguar-gone-to-Orson-Welles-fatness versions. The 1995 facelift was a good one with the curved-back grille, thinner headlights, and a general de-glitzing.

  • avatar
    Kevin Jaeger

    I’d say these are somewhat collectable, the way Mercedes W123 models have become collectable. They are unlikely to ever become genuinely valuable like 1960s muscle cars, but they will have a following that will keep a sizeable number on the road and they’ve probably already reached the point where they won’t depreciate any more. As long as you keep it in good condition you should be able to (gently) drive it for ten years and sell it for what you put into it.

  • avatar
    Zackman

    “…great cars are not about perfection. They are about character.”

    Isn’t that what I have been saying off and on ever since I signed up here a year ago?

    That’s why I find it necessary to mention things like windows that roll down on coupes, “chrome” trim, nicely-appointed interiors – you know – features that make cars more desirable and something to take pride in.

    Of course, not every car will or can be considered a classic, as I don’t believe you’ll ever see an Aveo as a trailer queen except on the back of a flat-bed heading for the crusher!

    The Lincoln pictured? As much as I like them, probably not, because if you put a 60’s or even a 70’s Lincoln next to one, guess what will garner attention? However, this is my favorite Lincoln of all time because of the honest-to-goodness three-box-design – three very large boxes, at that! I miss formal roof lines and real trunks. I’m usually proved wrong, as these could become classics in their own right – a downright prcatical luxury sedan!

    Cars have indeed lost something beyond trim and stuff – perhaps it’s B.O.F. manufacturing that is it. For example, take a 1977 – 1989 Impala/Caprice and place it next to mine or a current generation Impala, or even the 1990-96 Roachmobiles and see the difference.

    Yes, it’s something to ponder.

    • 0 avatar
      Philosophil

      Don’t worry Zackman, some of us remember your posts.

      Still, trying to decide what cars will become ‘classics’ is kind of like trying to decide what music or paintings or books or thinkers will become canonical for future generations. The problem is that the kinds of things we value may not be exactly the same as the kinds of things that future generations will value. Some people are better at gauging such things than others, of course (they tend to have a ‘feel’ for such things as it were), but for most of us it’s mostly a crap shoot.

  • avatar
    obbop

    Might be an excellent “squatter’s car” if used ones available cheap enough and the rear seat back cushion and supporting structure is amenable to minimal alteration allowing the creation of a “stealth” rolling shanty.

    A van is best but as the enforcement arms of the rulers push for the growing masses of “neer-do-wells” to “keep on moving” stealthness may become not “Job number one” but of numero uno importance.

    Time will tell.

    Wouldn’t it be something if the general above-dregs-of-society clientele of TTAC became homeless and/or jobless themselves some day (the previous is a rhetorical question thus I have omitted the mark thingy conveying the statement is a question.

    Good day.

  • avatar
    Flybrian

    Every typical used Town Car of this era I’ve experienced has been junk. Creaky chassis noises, uneven rear bumper and decklid fitment, inoperable windows, uncomfortable seating position, and let’s not even mention the garbage rear air suspension. Plus, the vast majority have been outfitted with some sort of terrible Congressional Diplomatic Suncoast Prestige Edition vinyl/canvas roof that is distressed and weathered to hell. Also, what’s the deal with the HI-VIS YELLOW rubber used for the moldings on LTCs?

    By contrast, ’91-96 Park Avenues carry a bespoke grace and have a far more reliable chassis setup with an equally (if not superior) bulletproof driveline. ’97+ PAs without the base 16″ cast alloys also have a great look to them.

    Sedan DeVilles with 4.9s are also fairly bulletproof and look wonderful with the vestigial fender skirting. Fleetwoods, well…no comparison. I’m using a ’96 SDV with the Northstar as my driver now (despite newer available vehicles) and its a dream, IMO.

    I do, however, appreciate the staid, conservative looks of these Town Cars and must say that it – along with the Riviera, Fleetwood Brougham, early Park Avenue, Ninety-Eight, Sedan DeVille, Eldorado, and Mark VIII – are among the only cars from this era that (dressed in the right color with the right wheels) will look unflappably elegant and prestigious in any formal setting regardless of the era. That makes them collectable indeed.

    I will also side-note that the Aurora is a car that will be loved by those who have owned one and misunderstood by those who never have. Maybe that’s just from the jaded eyes of this ’96 owner, but there is so much about the Aurora’s design that was so nuanced, original, and intrinsically appealing that no other car can match it…period. Not even the Antares, er…2nd gen ‘Aurora.’

    • 0 avatar
      NulloModo

      Interesting, I didn’t know the 2nd gen Aurora was a different platform from the first. As far as looks go I strongly prefer the 2nd gen, and it even looks larger than the first, but I’ve always appreciated both runs of those cars. If they weren’t tied to the Northstar, which IMO makes any top 10 list of bad engine designs, I’d be tempted to go for one.

      It could be a regional thing, but my experience with Town Cars and upkeep runs against yours. I’ve seen plenty of ten to fifteen year old TCs with landau roofs that still look almost new, as well as excellent paint. Of course, this is also the land of ten year old condo cars with only 30,000 miles on the odo, so YMMV. The air suspension is actually pretty robust. If you drive it regularly enough to keep the airbags from getting dry-rot most will easily last 8-10 years and 100,000 miles.

  • avatar
    Conslaw

    Right now, in this overpriced used car market, old town cars are maybe some of the best buys out there. Check out this 1997 with 104,000 miles, asking price $4400.

    http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tab=specs&tabToOpen=consumerreviews&paId=&listingId=67309716&recnum=&actLog=&tracktype=usedcc

    I just saw the Lincoln Lawyer. It gave me an idea. I think I found my new office.

  • avatar
    bunkie

    This Town Car may very well have a cache of coins in the ashtray (or Golden Corral discount coupons in the glovebox), but it certainly lacks cachet.

    Based upon my observations, Hasidim families always have a man at the wheel. We often drive north from NYC on Fridays and 80% od the minivans we see are occupied by Hasidim families. The most frightening experience we had was almost being run off the road by such a minivan a few minutes before sundown one Friday by a fellow who hit the road too late.

  • avatar
    mazder3

    The Olds LSS was boring and bland?

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      Style wise, yes. My father had one and the exterior was totally forgettable. Interior was very nice. The suspension was leaps and bounds over the Buick version. Brakes sucked, though.

  • avatar
    Bryce

    Sell it theres a mug born every minute.
    Scrap dealers collect these.

  • avatar

    I’m sorry Panther lovers, but I recently had the “pleasure” of renting a 2010 Grand Marquis for a weekend trip to Massachusetts. The Grand was flimsy feeling and outdated in every regard. I thought it would be the ultimate cruiser, but it was no quieter inside than my Acura, and the seats were large and shapeless.

    Oh well, I used to think these cars had some sort of appeal, but besides being decent for towing, and having a cavernous trunk, I can’t see choosing this over a Chrysler 300.

    So I say consumable.

    • 0 avatar
      NulloModo

      Something happened to the Grand Marquis seats between the great thrones in earlier models to the rather uncomfortable seats in the last examples of the model. The Town Car seats are still great, and I prefer the current body style versions to those that Panther Purists wax eloquently about in the mid-90s versions.

      There’s a big difference in interior appointments between the Grand Marquis and the Town Car. Both will likely feel outdated to someone benchmarking them against any modern car, but the Town Car feels outdated in a charming old school way, late model Grand Marquis make it clear why only septuagenarian retirees still bought them new.

  • avatar
    MLB

    Just 15 minutes before I happened upon this article I was on the horn with an age-old friend who called me up on the car phone in his new Hyundai and we had essentially this same conversation; i.e., he told me that “some 300 year old guy” down the street had a ‘pristine’ mid 70’s Caddy for sale and asked me if I was looking for a car, and this steered the conversation onto the path of whether such a ride is worth driving or is merely collectable.

    I tried to uphold my end of it by saying that even when gas was $2/gal., something like this would be at least do-able, but not at $4 per.

    So I suggested that to gauge the true worth of it one need only to go on to ebay motors and see what they’re getting for various interior parts and greasy bits and trim pieces and so forth.

    And If any of this is worth anything at all, then by that yardstick, for parting it out the deal is at least plausible, and so I just kind of breezily suggested that he go up and see how much they wanted for the car and then offer them half (as long as it wasn’t over about $600 or so).

    I don’t want it for myself, and I know he’s probably not really going to do it, but he just wanted to try out his new phone and needed something to talk about and so that’s how that went.

    And speaking of orthodox Jews and driving. . .

    I’m not sure what their particular or peculiar vehicular preferences are, but there is a largeish population of them around my locale, and I see them out walking every Saturday whenever I am out taking a bike ride, and this is their sabbath day, and they are often in family form and heading to the nearest synagogue for services.

    The ones I have encountered have been friendly folk and have nodded and said hello, and it is my understanding that they do not drive on the sabbath because they are not allowed to use any kind of fire on that day, and since running any I.C.E. necessitates utilizing fire in a very definite way, actually starting and driving one is out, except in an emergency.

    Yes, this seemed dubious to me too, but it would appear to be the case:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_on_Shabbat_in_Jewish_law

    • 0 avatar
      Steven Lang

      If he’s near Atlanta let me know. I helped a friend of mine sell a 76 Eldorado Convertible not too long ago.

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      Regarding the sabbath thing, I remember being in a hospital and there was a key switch by the elevator that was marked “Sabbath Day Switch”…I found out that on the sabbath, this switch would engage an automatic mode. The doors remained open on the lobby level and when a person breaks the light beam walking in, the door closes and the cab goes to the top floor and one by one stops on each floor going down. When it gets to the lobby it stops and waits for the next group of people. Technically the observant are not “using” anything as they never touch a button. Clever, but totally a scam in my opinion. This does not even begin to follow the intent. Take the stairs.

  • avatar
    chug

    I sure hope they become collectibles, but my vote is consumable. Just bought a 1996 Town Car Cartier, 143,000 miles, every option except sunroof, 2 NC owners (and the 2nd one really was a little old lady), for $3000. Gets 16 mpg on short trips in town and 25.5 at 70 mph on the highway. I drive less than 12,000 miles annually, so even if gas goes to $5 or $6 a gallon it still costs me relatively little to drive a true American luxury car. And I love the retro look – it puts a smile on my face to drive it. And all of my (much younger) co-workers love it.

    It is the perfect old guy car, for us old guys.

    And because in my neighborhood there is another, er, younger demographic who also likes these cars and outfits them with 22 inch wheels, I had a Ravelco installed to at least make them have to tow it to take it….

    I know I have a looming issue with the air suspension, and any advice about that would be appreciated. I’m torn between fixing the air suspension or converting it to all coils.

    • 0 avatar
      86er

      Try signing up at grandmarq-dot-net or crownvic-dot-net if you haven’t already done so. Great resource.

      I haven’t had any experience with air suspension, but anyone I’ve heard from or read about usually change to coils. Some claim to not notice much difference in everyday ride quality.

    • 0 avatar
      Educator(of teachers)Dan

      Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I know there are companies that make controlers for the air suspension in a Mark VIII to give you variable height suspension, I wonder if anybody does that for a Town Car?

      Anybody done the coil spring conversion and can comment on how much the ride changes from one to the other?

    • 0 avatar
      NulloModo

      A couple of my coworkers who own older Town Cars and Grand Marquis have gone the coil route, and according them the ride quality isn’t effected too much. I know I can feel a difference between the vehicle fitted with the air suspensions vs coils from the factory, but the decision really depends on the ride that you want. If you want that traditional Lincoln feeling of being completely detached from the road, the air suspension is the only way to go. If you want something that feels a bit sportier, maybe coils make more sense.

      You can buy the replacement parts online pretty inexpensively. If you catch an air suspension failure early it’s a lot less to replace just the airbags than to have to replace a compressor that burnt out from trying to inflate leaky bags as well.

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        I was in a converted MKVII LSC that was converted to coils. Big mistake. Maybe the coils were for the non LSC Mark, but the ride was mushy and poorly controlled. Not to mention the load leveling was no longer active…If your partial to it, fix it right.

  • avatar
    Joss

    Consumable – un crisp styling of a cheapened, too late to the party 60’s Silver Shadow.

  • avatar
    supremebrougham

    It’s unfortunate that no Panther will ever be considered as collectable as an equivalent B or C GM product, but if I had to pick a Panther to want to keep and collect, it would be a 1995-97 Town Car. To me they were the only Ford products that were worth their asking price.

    My grandparents have a 1991 Town Car Cartier sitting in their garage that I have already requested once they are dead and gone. The car is beautiful, and I will love owning it, but truth be told, if I could trade it for a 95-97 version, I would do it.

    Anyways, I hope people will collect these, because I really want to see these survive for future generations to appreciate.

  • avatar
    segfault

    There are so many Panther nuts on this site alone that I can’t imagine them being less collectable than B- or C-body GM products.

    It’s funny how Panther Love is almost like wine connoisseurship. “Oh, the FoMoCo Town Car Shiraz is better in the 1995-97 vintage. Avoid the 1991-94 vintage. They changed the formula in 1998 and the best newer vintage is…”

    • 0 avatar
      Flybrian

      I encounter this this kind of elitism when selling these beasts, too. The older folks who search for this type of car look for Signatures and Cartiers. No one buys Executives except the typical ‘Cheap Car with A/C’ customer.

    • 0 avatar
      86er

      It’s funny how Panther Love is almost like wine connoisseurship. “Oh, the FoMoCo Town Car Shiraz is better in the 1995-97 vintage. Avoid the 1991-94 vintage. They changed the formula in 1998 and the best newer vintage is…”

      Yes, and it belies the “nothing’s changed since 1979″ myth.

  • avatar
    Robert Schwartz

    “Crown Vics only have their cop cars and special editions offering true cache.”

    Cache: a hiding place, especially one in the ground, for ammunition, food, treasures, etc.

    Cachet: 1. an official seal, as on a letter or document. …
    3. a sign or expression of approval, especially from a person who has a great deal of prestige.

  • avatar
    Robert Schwartz

    I am short collectibles. Most of the collectible mania is driven by Boomer nostalgia. Unfortunately, the Boomers are reaching retirement age, and having failed to save, and having been over-invested in the housing bubble, they will be forced to sell their collections.

    Who will buy the collections is hard to say. The Millennials, who are currently, unemployed or under-employed, are choking on their student loans. Furthermore, they have no connection to the mechanical. They were born to the internet, they don’t wear watches, and they don’t care much about cars. The Japanese are struggling with far too many problems at home. Europeans are broke and they disdain American pop-culture.

    The above does not apply to works of great art, like this 1957 Ferrari 250 GT Speciale, custom-made by Pinin Farina for Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/automobiles/grooming-a-thoroughbred-for-the-pebble-beach-ring.html

  • avatar
    Turbocontinental

    Collectible!

    I bought my 1990 Town Car here in Germany in August ’11 as TC-Production ended… :-)

    Have a look at this! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I191YM33nBE

    Greetings from the Old Europe


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