Canada: Anti-Photo Enforcement Effort Heats Up

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A campaign to reform or eliminate the use of red light cameras and speed cameras is heading up in Winnipeg, Canada. Earlier this month the group WiseUpWinnipeg kicked off the effort with a two-page, full-color advertisement in the Winnipeg Sun newspaper.

“Attention Winnipeg drivers, you are being deliberately deceived,” the ad warned. “The city of Winnipeg is engaged in a deliberate and dangerous campaign to induce photo enforcement violations and siphon your hard earned (cash).”

The group charges city officials with concealing information regarding the program efficacy in order to protect the “predatory cash grab.” WiseUpWinnipeg has been rebuffed on several freedom of information requests for items as simple as a copy of the contract between Winnipeg and Affiliated Computer Services, the Dallas, Texas-based firm in charge of the program. The city also has refused to provide an analysis of the accident rates at photo enforced locations using data from the provincial automobile insurance company. In 2006, the city auditor recommended that this dataset be used because it offers precise numbers for the cost of each accident in the city ( view audit report).

Winnipeg standardizes all of its intersections at 4 seconds of yellow, regardless of particular intersection speeds and characteristics. WiseUpWinnipeg has been trying to pressure the city to give drivers a longer warning period, as a 2005 Texas Transportation Institute study showed an extra second of yellow beyond the bare minimum ITE standard caused a significant reduction in the number of accidents ( view study). Conversely, retaining insufficient yellow timing has been shown to increase violations.

“The four-second amber is the cornerstone of the entire scheme,” group co-founder Todd Dube said in a statement. “It is what creates the dangerous yet profitable ‘dilemma zone’ for drivers — without it the program would be reduced to capturing the ‘real red light runners’ and there aren’t enough of those to line the coffers at city hall.”

As part of the “Taking it the the Streets” campaign, WiseUpWinnipeg is offering free signs warning of speed cameras and short yellow times that residents can use to save their neighbors from falling into a speed trap. The group is urging the public to email their thoughts on cameras to Mayor Sam Katz. The advertisement also urges all ticket recipients to plead not guilty to every photo enforcement ticket.

[Courtesy: Thenewspaper.com]

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  • Psarhjinian Psarhjinian on Jun 14, 2011
    A campaign to reform or eliminate the use of red light cameras and speed cameras is heading up in Winnipeg, Canada. It's been "heading up" in Winnipeg for a while. It's interesting that we're hearing exactly zero comments about red light cameras in any other city in Canada. It seems to be Winnipeg and only Winnipeg that TheNewspaper seems to report on. Ever. That begs two questions: * TheNewspaper only has "sources" feeding it information on one Canadian city * Red light cameras work pretty well everywhere else (eg, Toronto), and it's Winnipeg's implementation that's the problem Now, I've had my run-ins with traffic enforcement in Toronto and bear them no love, but I really think a) that attacking cameras instead of the culture is a misdirection of effort, and b) that The Newspaper's crossposting are kind of weak.
  • DasFast DasFast on Jun 14, 2011

    Thanks for the link RichardD, I was trying to remember where I saw the story a few months ago. Although refunds were issued for that particular group of speed on green tickets, red light tickets were not affected, and both campaigns continue unabated. I live in the police state that is Edmonton, and am wondering when the fight will begin here. Given the number of black cloud blowing diesel douches - trucks replete with the vaunted six inch straight pipe rising gloriously through the center of the bed, eight feet in height with questionable suspension work while sporting hundred kilo unsprung weight per corner and no brake upgrade, interacting via iPhone, while using 800+ft/lbs or torque to give a great big fuck you to any red light deemed fit - that number our roads, the idea of some red light monitoring could be argued necessary. If calibrated and checked regularly, working with a proper yellow light time, and used for red light runners, I might buy in. As is, our lights are timed so that driving from light to light at the speed limit almost always places you in front of a red at the next intersection. Not sure if this is deliberate or incompetent on the part of the city, but it's no coincidence it leads people directly to a speed-on-green scenario out of frustration. We have weasels on city council when technology is increasing accident rates while generating huge profits for their coffers. There is a large arena to pay for you know... A WakeUpEdmonton chapter would make me smile.

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