New or Used: Safe Haven From SAAB-ing?

Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang
by Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang
Nate writes:

Hello gentlemen, I need some help with an upcoming car purchase. You may have covered my situation in the past, but here it is:

My wife currently drives a 2005 Saab 9-3 with about 60k miles on it. We owe around $8500 on the car. I’m doing my best to talk her into selling or trading before we have to pony up the cash for (another) inevitable repair, which from experience is never cheap on a Saab. I know nothing in my price range will drive quite like a 9-3, but my wife would prefer something very similar, with these qualifications:

Automatic transmission


Four doors


Sporty looks


A perky or down right powerful engine


2008 or newer


Less than $25,000

I know my wife would prefer something that’s of a similar size to the 9-3, but I don’t think she would be averse to a larger sedan like a TSX or an Infinity. I would prefer something still under warranty or at least less expensive to fix. I’m leaning towards a Mazda 3, but I’m not sure she’s sold on it just yet. Is there anything else that stacks up? Thanks in advance.

Steve answers:

If she likes the car, keep it. I am saying this as a guy who kept my wife in dozens of vehicles over the years until ‘that moment’ when she said…

“Why can’t I have MY car.”

Your problem right now is repairs… and a negative balance if you decide to sell it. A small one if you sell it privately (maybe $1500 to $2000). A big one if you trade it in ($4000+).

You can reduce your repair expenses by opting for…

1) An independent garage that has a few good write-up’s from Saab enthusiasts.


2) Buying a Haynes manual and learning the basics of auto maintenance. Just keeping track of fluids and sounds can make an enormous impact on her long-term happiness.


3) Staying tried and true to the online Saab enthusiast groups.

This generation 9-3 has pretty good ratings here, here, and here. I think these models can actually be a good fit for many long-term owners. But if the change must be made I would recommend…

Volvo S60 – must be low mileage and make sure the tranny fluid gets changed if it has more than 30k.


Audi A4 – the V6 models have more grunt than the 1.8L and has more luxurious options as well.


Honda Accord – Leather seats, 4-cylinder… I would consider a 2-door with leather but if you have kids… go with a four door.

Get it from an owner who has the records. Skip the warranty with the Accord (05-07 are great years, just give it premium tires and a suspension upgrade and you’ll save $$$$$) and strongly consider a warranty for the other two. The Audi may have to bought as a CPO since their warranties aren’t transferable. But the Volvo CPO warranty IS transferable which means you can buy one of these from a private owner with more assurance.

One more thing. Audi dealers ditched a lot of new A4’s into their used car fleet back in 09′ and 10′ because they simply couldn’t sell them. Don’t be surprised if you find several loaded low mileage versions in the 25k price range. Buy/keep what makes her happy and good luck.

Sajeev Answers:

The “time value of money” needed to self-sustain this car is less than advantageous. Plus, from a cursory look on Edmunds, you are upside-down on the loan: the trade-in will hurt, probably. I’d still cut and run, but maybe lower your budget too?

Steve’s advice is spot on, which makes my job harder. Answering the “downright powerful” comment is the absolutely insane Buick LaCrosse Super: less torque steer than its Impala SS brother in a very affordable package. Too crude? Maybe grab a fully loaded Saturn Aura with the top drawer V6.

Forget it! I’m choosing a perennial favorite of the Best and Brightest: the Pontiac G8. It’s tough to get the V8 under the price cap, but it can happen. And the V6 is no slouch either. Not only does the G8 fit the bill in every metric, it blows the doors off many a competitor. Except in terms of outlandish style, luxury or prestige. Which, ’round these parts, also panders (Panthers?) to our “base” quite well. Epic win all around!

Need help with a car buying conundrum? Email your particulars to mehta@ttac.com, and let TTAC’s collective wisdom make the decision easier… or possibly much, much harder. In a rush? Don’t be shy about asking to cut in line.

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  • Mzs Mzs on Mar 30, 2011

    Nate has a problem. He owes $8K+ on a 6-7 year old car. That was a mistake to get into a loan like that. He clearly bought more car than he could afford. Now with the car only having 60K miles he wants to sell it and get a car for $25K. Do you see what the problem is? It's not the car. His new car will really be about $30K car considering he is upside down on the loan. That's a lot of repair bills. He's about to get himself right back into the same cycle. So he really should keep the car and start caring for it for about another 30K miles.

  • Carguy622 Carguy622 on Mar 30, 2011

    Your sage advice comes too late. He's already purchased a new Grand Cherokee... the cycle continues.

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    • Nate Gaddis Nate Gaddis on Mar 30, 2011

      Hey guys, like I stated above, the lady changed her mind. Anyone who's married knows that happens multiple times every hour. As for the concerns about my finances, I appreciate the advice but we actually came out in decent shape. We broke even with the Saab on trade in, and got a vehicle we absolutely love for $2k less than the sticker price. As far as MPGs go, we're averaging 20, and the wife drives 3 miles to work. Round trip. Not an issue.

  • Theflyersfan The wheel and tire combo is tragic and the "M Stripe" has to go, but overall, this one is a keeper. Provided the mileage isn't 300,000 and the service records don't read like a horror novel, this could be one of the last (almost) unmodified E34s out there that isn't rotting in a barn. I can see this ad being taken down quickly due to someone taking the chance. Recently had some good finds here. Which means Monday, we'll see a 1999 Honda Civic with falling off body mods from Pep Boys, a rusted fart can, Honda Rot with bad paint, 400,000 miles, and a biohazard interior, all for the unrealistic price of $10,000.
  • Theflyersfan Expect a press report about an expansion of VW's Mexican plant any day now. I'm all for worker's rights to get the best (and fair) wages and benefits possible, but didn't VW, and for that matter many of the Asian and European carmaker plants in the south, already have as good of, if not better wages already? This can drive a wedge in those plants and this might be a case of be careful what you wish for.
  • Jkross22 When I think about products that I buy that are of the highest quality or are of great value, I have no idea if they are made as a whole or in parts by unionized employees. As a customer, that's really all I care about. When I think about services I receive from unionized and non-unionized employees, it varies from C- to F levels of service. Will unionizing make the cars better or worse?
  • Namesakeone I think it's the age old conundrum: Every company (or industry) wants every other one to pay its workers well; well-paid workers make great customers. But nobody wants to pay their own workers well; that would eat into profits. So instead of what Henry Ford (the first) did over a century ago, we will have a lot of companies copying Nike in the 1980s: third-world employees (with a few highly-paid celebrity athlete endorsers) selling overpriced products to upper-middle-class Americans (with a few urban street youths willing to literally kill for that product), until there are no more upper-middle-class Americans left.
  • ToolGuy I was challenged by Tim's incisive opinion, but thankfully Jeff's multiple vanilla truisms have set me straight. Or something. 😉
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