By on February 2, 2011

As any sales-watcher knows, volume isn’t everything. Fleet-retail mixes, incentive spending and transaction prices are all important considerations for putting volume numbers into context. As usual, we’ve assembled Edmunds’ True Cost Of Incentives index as well as TrueCar’s Transaction Pricing and Incentive Spending forecasts, for a complete picture of these important metrics… and after the jump, we’ve added a few notes on the discrepancies between the two firms’ numbers.

There are a few inevitable discrepancies between the Edmunds and TrueCar incentive spends, which we have learned are due to TrueCar’s inclusion of volume-based spiffs and differences in lease-subsidy calculation. Which number is closest to the truth? Well, much of TrueCar’s team used to do forecasting at Edmunds, and though non-disclosure agreements prevent them from explaining in detail how their secret sauce is better, it makes sense that they’d be trying to offer more than their previous employer (and they claim their data is based on more transactions than any other forecasting firm). Meanwhile, Edmunds’ forecasters say they’re “not comfortable” including tough-to-calculate volume-based spiffs. In short, either number could be off a little… but if I had to put money on it, I’d lean towards TrueCar’s numbers.

So, did GM rule incentive spending last month, or did Chrysler? Edmunds calculates that GM spent $3,762 per vehicle, but TrueCar sees The General at a much lower $3,089 average. Edmunds put Chrysler at second place with $3,386 per vehicle, while TrueCar puts ChryCo first with $3,557. Whether this discrepancies are accounted for by lease calculations or volume-based dealer spiffs isn’t at all clear, but TrueCar’s first-place ranking for Chrysler does seem to indicate that one of these factors is pushing up Chrysler’s incentive average. Similarly, the nearly-$500 difference between Honda’s two January 2011 incentive spend forecasts indicates that Honda may be dipping into the volume-based incentives that TrueCar tracks. Either way, it’s clear that incentives are headed down across the board in the short-term (although Honda and Toyota are still up huge in terms of year-over-year gains).

In the short-term, transaction prices seem to be rising slowly from their December levels, although the industry-wide average is still half a percent off its January 2010 mark. In the short-term, only GM appears to be losing ground on transaction pricing (which, taken with incentive levels, give some cause for worry), although over the last year, Honda and Toyota are clearly the biggest losers when it comes to transaction price. Part of that may be tied to falling consumer perceptions, but there’s another, somewhat perverse dynamic at play. TrueCar’s Jesse Toprak explains

Transaction prices dropped slightly in January as consumers purchased a relatively higher percentage of small cars and compact SUVs. If gas prices continue to rise, transaction prices could continue to decline, as consumers tend to shift purchases to smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles

And because the Detroit automakers gain the greatest transaction-price benefits from strong truck and SUV sales, their transaction price levels could well be the first to suffer from a prolonged rise in fuel prices.

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9 Comments on “January Incentive Report...”


  • avatar
    86er

    The “Detroit automakers” have a truck-heavy line-up, where big incentives are expected to move all the loaded to the gills 1/2 tons. 

    Toyota is in that game now (sort of), but I don’t know what Honda’s problem is.

    • 0 avatar
      CJinSD

      I suspect Honda’s problem is that the new Civic is already on the show circuit and the current Accord is in its 4th model year. From that perspective, being in the middle of the incentive field isn’t so bad.

  • avatar
    segfault

    If Edmunds’ numbers are right, GM will need another bailout sooner rather than later. Nearly $4 grand per vehicle in incentives, sheesh!

  • avatar
    vbofw

    Anybody know what the high-water month is for incentives?  Aug or Sept, on the model changeouts?

  • avatar
    SVX pearlie

    If you look at TrueCar’s numbers to calculate discount %, you get:

    -12.3% Chrysler
    -10.1% Nissan
    -9.2% Kia
    -9.1% GM
    -8.6% Toyota
    -8.4% Hyundai
    -8.3% Honda
    -8.3% Ford

    GM’s not doing badly at all. As the bailout fades in people’s memory, and new product comes out, their discount ratio should drop even farther.

    Chrysler, well, a mediocre car from a mediocre company needs more on the hood to move.

    • 0 avatar
      MikeAR

      SVX, the % down looks great and all but there has to be a starting number. Are you trying to show how much rebates and the like have gone down for each manufacturer or the average discount from sticker for each manufacturer? I like a couple of Chrysler cars but their discount would have to be a lot more than 12% to get me to buy. They are still overpriced at that.

    • 0 avatar
      SVX pearlie

      It is a percentage of their transaction price, not some kind of change year-over-year or month-to-month. That is, $3,089 is 9.1% of $34,067.

      That is, the average buyer receives incentives equal to roughly 8% or 9% of the final transaction price.

      At over 12%, Chrysler needs more incentives on the hood of their cars to close the deal.

    • 0 avatar
      MikeAR

      Ok, thanks. I just wondered. The couple of Dodges that I like, the Charger and Challenger, for what they offer and what you get, would have to be probably 25% or more off before I would look seriously at buying.

  • avatar
    TrueCarLee

    Needless to say, you know who WE at TRUECar.com think has the more accurate numbers.  Nice piece, Ed.  Let us know if there is anything we can do for you.
    86er, trucks continue to lead all categories in sales, so it males sense that the Big 3 continue to focus there.  Notice, though, that despite all of the sales, it is green cars and smaller vehicles that garner the innovation….
     


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