Toyota And Subaru Move To "Converge Products"

Edward Niedermeyer
by Edward Niedermeyer

Toyota, possibly more than any other automaker, epitomizes a major tradeoff inherent in mass-market success: mechanical and stylistic homogeneity. Subaru, on the other hand, traditionally occupies the other end of the spectrum, slinging mechanically unique but ultimately niche-oriented products. Since Toyota took a 16.5 percent stake in Subaru’s parent company Fuji Heavy Industries, observers have wondered how the relationship between two so different automakers would play out. And since Subaru had already cultivated a fiercely loyal following with its dedication to niche values, the outcome has largely been that Subaru fans have decried the perceived “ Toyotafication” of Subaru. And now, if a new rumor from Motor Trend is anything to go by, the uproar is about to get a little bit louder.

Luckily for the fans, MT claims that closer cooperation between Subaru and Toyota will center around Subaru’s least-Subaru-like vehicle: the infamous Tribeca.

Toyota is studying how to more closely converge its products with Subaru, and might share its next-generation Highlander midsize crossover platform with the Tribeca. The two have similar dimensions, notes a source familiar with the tie-in.

As always with Subaru, the sticking point is how to share a platform that would use a longitudinally mounted boxer engine, in the case of the Tribeca, with a transverse-mounted engine, as in the Highlander. The platform also will have to accommodate a hybrid version of the Highlander, and it’s a good bet the system would be adapted to the pancake-engine Tribeca.

Of course Subaru’s use of boxer engines, a layout shared only by Porsche, catches MT’s attention, but there are more problem than just changing engines between Toyota and Subaru. The Subaru Legacy platform on which the Tribeca is based was designed from the ground-up as an all-wheel-drive platform, whereas the Highlander and Lexus RX are built on an AWD-capable modified Camry chassis. I’ll leave a reckoning of all the different challenges of aligning these two products to the Best and Brightest, but the following images of the Tribeca/Legacy chassis and a cutaway of a Lexus RX450h show just how different these two vehicles are (dimensions notwithstanding).

The solution to a similar problem might be instructive in this case: the “Toyobaru” sports coupe (aka FT-86, aka O86A) was developed on a Subaru platform, meaning Toyota’s version had the Subie-unique flat four. After all, fans complain more about a brand losing an element of its identity than sharing it with another automaker. And, as MT points out, Subaru has its own way of differentiating the Subaru-badged version of its jointly-developed sportscar.

Toyota tackles the problem with the upcoming FT-86 rear-wheel-drive sports coupe by going with a Subaru pancake engine — the STI’s 305-horsepower, 290 pound-foot version of the 2.5-liter turbo four, our source says… Subaru’s version of the 086A, as the project is known, is still scheduled for 2013 model year introduction and will likely be sold with all-wheel drive only, as part of its differentiation from the Toyota.

Since the RWD chassis derives from Subaru’s AWD system, Toyota’s version of the O86A will have less power and rear-drive, while Subaru simply adds a larger engine and keeps the front half-shafts from its original design. Bam, differentiation. But with a Tribeca/Highlander mash-up, the options aren’t as good. As a mass-market automaker, Toyota needs a volume nameplate like Highlander to get better mileage than a boxer-powered, full-time AWD (aka, Tribeca-based) model can achieve. A front-drive, boxer-powered workaround would be hard enough… adapting hybrid synergy drive to Subaru’s platform would be harder still.

MT’s conclusion that a jointly-developed Tribeca/Highlander would be “adapted to the pancake-engine Tribeca,” therefore, doesn’t add up especially well. In fact, it’s far more likely that Subaru will simply sell a full-time AWD adaptation of a transverse-mount, inline-engined Toyota chassis. After all, only hardcore Subaru fans will notice that the Tribeca no longer sports a boxer engine, and they’ve never been huge fans of the Tribeca (then again, is anyone?). Besides, those same Subaru fans have been the ones complaining while Subaru rides its “Toyotafication” to major sales success last year. Though Subaru would risk the soul of its brand on some level by abandoning its commitment to AWD and boxer engines in every model, if it wants to cooperate with Toyota on midsized crossovers, it will probably have to. And, like it or not, the Tribeca is the most logical vehicle to do it on.

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  • Contrarian Contrarian on Jan 04, 2011

    What a pity. Subys are going to become very boring and bland. Oh well, I'm sure the Koreans or Chinese will bring alternatives.

  • George B George B on Jan 04, 2011

    If the Subaru Tribeca just disappeared, who would really care? I never understood the attraction of a full time AWD car with it's friction losses, but without the ground clearance and ruggedness of a truck. Only makes sense if you live in a place where the roads are very frequently slippery, but the snow is rarely very deep. No way Toyota can make the Highlander less reliable or less fuel efficient just to share with Subaru.

  • ToolGuy First picture: I realize that opinions vary on the height of modern trucks, but that entry door on the building is 80 inches tall and hits just below the headlights. Does anyone really believe this is reasonable?Second picture: I do not believe that is a good parking spot to be able to access the bed storage. More specifically, how do you plan to unload topsoil with the truck parked like that? Maybe you kids are taller than me.
  • ToolGuy The other day I attempted to check the engine oil in one of my old embarrassing vehicles and I guess the red shop towel I used wasn't genuine Snap-on (lots of counterfeits floating around) plus my driveway isn't completely level and long story short, the engine seized 3 minutes later.No more used cars for me, and nothing but dealer service from here on in (the journalists were right).
  • Doughboy Wow, Merc knocks it out of the park with their naming convention… again. /s
  • Doughboy I’ve seen car bras before, but never car beards. ZZ Top would be proud.
  • Bkojote Allright, actual person who knows trucks here, the article gets it a bit wrong.First off, the Maverick is not at all comparable to a Tacoma just because they're both Hybrids. Or lemme be blunt, the butch-est non-hybrid Maverick Tremor is suitable for 2/10 difficulty trails, a Trailhunter is for about 5/10 or maybe 6/10, just about the upper end of any stock vehicle you're buying from the factory. Aside from a Sasquatch Bronco or Rubicon Jeep Wrangler you're looking at something you're towing back if you want more capability (or perhaps something you /wish/ you were towing back.)Now, where the real world difference should play out is on the trail, where a lot of low speed crawling usually saps efficiency, especially when loaded to the gills. Real world MPG from a 4Runner is about 12-13mpg, So if this loaded-with-overlander-catalog Trailhunter is still pulling in the 20's - or even 18-19, that's a massive improvement.
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