New or Used: The Spoiled And The Budget Minded Edition

Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang
by Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang

Jay writes:

I’m spoiled.

I’ve been blessed to drive three BMW 3-Series over the past several years (BMW employee leases). I’ve been spoiled by their comfort, performance, and quality. Now I’m out of the car industry and my lease is going up. I’m looking to buy a car for $17K or less and build up my investment portfolio. I plan on driving the wheels off this car, so I would like to like it at least a little.

Needs: I drive a lot for work. It’s important to me to be comfortable on a 3 hour drive. At the same time I don’t want to feel like I’m driving on top of a beach ball (ex. Toyota Camry, Avalon). Reliability, driving comfort, and minimal road noise are paramount. Safety is a no brainer. Don’t feel like being the recipient of a plastic hip because I wanted to save a couple grand.

I’ve looked at everything under the sun: Accords to Xterras, Acuras to Volkswagens. Jetta TDI’s were a strong front runner, but I have a hard time feeling good about them knowing they have less than stellar reliability according to TrueDelta.

Accords are reliable but have carried the reputation of having excessive road noise and questionable long trip comfort. Xterras looked to be a winner till I calculated the gas bill ($300/month). Acura TSX and TL’s are looking strong right now but really peak out the ol’ budget. In addition, my car biz friends, as well as TTAC’s recent post indicate that current prices are greatly inflated, and its worth waiting a month or two.

I’m a little overwhelmed. What are your thoughts? I’m going to go take an aspirin.

Thanks for your help.

Steve replies:

I think you have an incurable case of automotive optimism. $17k for a new TDI? Perhaps if the Euro becomes the next Russian Ruble you may have a shot at it. But for now… No! Nein! Nyet! VW’s shareholders would March eastward to Warsaw and try to make it 3 out of 5 before that ever happens.

There is a ridiculous assortment of new vehicles out there for $17k. Most aren’t nearly as good a deal as a one year old version of the same exact vehicle with less than 10,000 miles. But you want ‘new’ so I won’t argue.

Then again I can’t help you with the specifics either. You have to go out and find what’s best for you. I would encourage a vehicle at the tail end of it’s model run. These vehicles ‘tend’ to have better build quality and many of the TSB related issues of the early run vehicles are resolved.

They are also usually a bit more discounted in the marketplace than their flashy and fashionable alternatives. The Versa’s, tC’s, and Focii of 2010 are already heavy on the incentives.. and all can be had for $17k. I think each one is well suited to the types of folks that end up buying them. Would it make an aspiring Yuppie happy? Perhaps.

My top picks? For the near-new it’s hard to beat a well-made hybrid on the dollars and cents scale. But my math involves at least a 12 year / 150k ownership period, and I’m not even taking into account the ‘beater’ factor. For daily transportation with a wink to comfort anything short of an Aveo would do. The Mazda 6 may be a good alternative. The Hyundai Sonata may be a good alternative. The 43rd variation of the Subaru Impreza may even be slightly be better than the 67th version of the Toyota Corolla. In the end, so long as you avoid leasing you should be okay.

Sajeev replies:

Your choice of cars with that budget makes a used car the only way to go. That’s because 17-grand will get you a heavily incentivized stripper Camry, Sonata or Fusion, or a middle of the road Civic, Corolla, etc. Then again, you’d have a lot of fun with a brand new Ford Fiesta at that price ceiling. If that’s what you really want.

Otherwise, it’s time to look used. I’d stick with a cheap and cheerful mainstream product, but with all the toys: leather, chrome, V6, etc. Luckily for you, I can make this decision fairly easily, as I helped a “DINK” acquaintance of mine try out family sedans to replace an E39 BMW 540i. They loved the performance of the 2009+ Mazda6, far and away their favorite. And I’d expect the same from you.

In the end, I scored them a great deal on another 5-er, a CPO unit. That’s not in your future, so put a 2009 Mazda6 with leather and low miles on your short list.

Need help with a car buying conundrum? Email your particulars to mehta@ttac.com, and let TTAC’s collective wisdom make the decision easier… or possibly much, much harder.

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  • Geozinger Geozinger on Sep 07, 2010

    I'll go ajla one better in wasting bandwith... CPO Saturn Aura XR. A guy I work with lost his previous job, came to work for us. BMW's lease was up, needed a set of wheels fast. Found an '08 Aura with all of the toys he wanted for ~ $16.5K (this was last year). I was surprised when he showed up with the car, I didn't expect him to go slumming with us domestic fans. Seems happy with his purchase, AFAIK no major repairs/issues with the car.

  • Lorenzo Lorenzo on Sep 07, 2010

    Aw, heck. Forget your BMW experience. Forget twisty handling - your 3 hour drives sound like freeway miles. Forget fun. Forget liking the car. You're in the market for a used here-to-there appliance with comfortable seats. Get a Buick.

  • Groza George The South is one of the few places in the U.S. where we still build cars. Unionizing Southern factories will speed up the move to Mexico.
  • FreedMike I'd say that question is up to the southern auto workers. If I were in their shoes, I probably wouldn't if the wages/benefits were at at some kind of parity with unionized shops. But let's be clear here: the only thing keeping those wages/benefits at par IS the threat of unionization.
  • 1995 SC So if they vote it down, the UAW gets to keep trying. Is there a means for a UAW factory to decide they no longer wish to be represented and vote the union out?
  • Lorenzo The Longshoreman/philosopher Eri Hoffer postulated "Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and ends up as a racket." That pretty much describes the progression of the United Auto Workers since World War II, so if THEY are the union, the answer is 'no'.
  • Redapple2 I think I ve been in 100 plants. ~ 20 in Mexico. ~10 Europe. Balance usa. About 1/2 nonunion. I supervised UAW skilled trades guys at GM Powertrain for 6 years. I know the answer.PS- you do know GM products - sales weighted - average about 40% USA-Canada Content.
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