By on September 8, 2010

On The Booth Babe’s last article, TTAC commentator, LALoser, stated that he originally thought that I was the Booth Babe! He based this theory “because of the just below the surface Anti-Americanism.” So to address this accusation, I decided to blog the following…

Consumer Reports pitted the Ford Mustang against the Chevrolet Camaro to find out which of the poster children for American muscle cars is the best. In the comparison, Consumer Reports puts the Ford Mustang V6 Premium against the Chevrolet Camaro 2LT. The first round was price. The Ford Mustang costs $28,660 whereas the Chevrolet Camaro costs $28,195. 1-0 to the Oshawa built bad-boy.  Then it all went downhill for the Camaro. Consumer Reports said that the Ford’s V6 engine was more refined than the Camaro’s, had stronger acceleration and better fuel economy. Oh dear. But that wasn’t to say that the Camaro didn’t have good acceleration, because it did, but the Camaro weighs 300 pounds more than the Mustang.

4-1 to the Mustang.

Result? Mustang won. Says Consumer Reports: “Only the Ford is recommended. The Mustang has an excellent reliability record with the old V6; we expect this one to be similar. The Camaro is too new for us to have reliability data. “

David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports’ test center said that “the Mustang is the more agile and enjoyable car to drive of the two,”. But what say you, B&B? Do you agree? Or do you think that the Camaro kick’s arse more than the Mustang?

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52 Comments on “Ford Mustang Vs Chevrolet Camaro. And The Winner Is…...”


  • avatar
    Contrarian

    The Stang has the advantage of several evolutionary cycles. The Camaro was a ground-up first attempt that was somewhat hurried. No surprise here. Old GM would cancel it again after the sales dropped off. Hopefully the new GM will evolve it some more.

    • 0 avatar
      mikey

      Sales dropped off? Camaro is still outselling Muatang,and thats without the coming soon, convertible.

    • 0 avatar
      Contrarian

      I meant "after sales drop off" as in the future. I know the Camaro is selling very well right now.

      Mu ancient work browser won’t allow editing :(

    • 0 avatar
      Motorhead10

      I own a 40th anny Mustang and an 02 Collector Edition Trans Am – so I have no bias GM vs Ford – I have voted with $ for both.

      But anecdotally regarding Camaro outselling Mustang – my last business trip as I drove into the airport I was shocked to see how many Camaros were on the lot at Hertz (ironically since it used to be in the Ford portfolio). GM has been running high fleet % in 2010 – but I never thought it products like Camaro would be caught up in that.

    • 0 avatar
      faygo

      Mustang has out-sold Camaro every month once the 2011 cars were in showrooms.

      not sure where you’re getting that the Camaro was “hurried” to market either. they basically had to do a top hat on an existing platform, which isn’t particularly challenging.

      they compromised function for style (can’t see out if not tall-ish, ergonomics strange, trunk opening way too small) but that doesn’t really not sell cars in a market driven by style.

      the biggest issue I have with the Camaro is that they didn’t finish the tuning. it drives as if they got 85% of the way done and were told “that’s good enough, move on to something else”. GM has talented people who can tune that platform (witness G8) well, but they were somehow kept from finishing the job.

    • 0 avatar
      th009

      @faygo, here are the last three months sales, Camaro vs Mustang, all from TTAC:
       
      June: 7540 vs 8974 (advantage: Mustang +1434)
      July: 7486 vs 7489 (advantage: Mustang +3)
      August: 6321 vs 5570 (advantage: Camaro +751)
       
      One month to each, and one virtual tie.  Three months is really too short to judge, but Mustang sales have really dropped dramatically from June to August, down 38%.  Could the Mustang June number have been pent-up demand for the new engines, or is the poor August number just a blip?  We’ll know by the end of the year.

  • avatar
    tced2

    re: Camaro V6 is “too new”.  Isn’t the Camaro V6 essentially the Cadillac CTS engine?  Isn’t that engine well known?
    re:fuel economy of Camaro.  300 lbs of extra weight is like carrying 1-2 extra passengers all the time and will affect gas mileage.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      Consumer Reports has a different take on “new”.  They consider the whole car, not the powerplant.  This is fair, considering the same component might work perfectly well in one implementation, but suffer horribly when in a different state of tune, mounted differently, or subject to different stress.
       
      Case in point: Honda’s automatics that worked reasonably well when tied to the Accord but failed with regularity in the Odyssey.

    • 0 avatar

      The Camaro is “too new” because CR’s survey system is antiquated.

      TrueDelta has had reliability stats for the Camaro since May. Reliability is about average, and would be better than average if not for a common problem with loose bolts on the spoiler.

      http://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability.php

    • 0 avatar
      tced2

      @ psarhjinian
      The Odyssey outweighs the Accord by approx 1000 lbs.  That would be a very important fact for tranny life – if Honda used the same tranny in both models. I guess Honda did learn a lesson about that.
      The Camaro and Cadillac CTS are roughly the same weight and configuration.  The engine is being used in the same situation with both models.
      This is not a “new” application of this engine in a radically different configuration or weight of car. Yes, a Camaro may get driven differently than a CTS but the mechanicals are pretty comparable.
       

  • avatar
    NN

    The 1993-1997 F-body Camaro Z28 was my dream car as a young teenager.  I was always a Chevy man.  Now as a 30 year old I still like the 93-97 generation…except for the typically awful 90′s GM interior.  But this new Camaro looks ridiculous to me…like a cartoon.  With over-exaggerated styling, poor interior design and materials, and no effort to make the car look beautiful or classy, only mean and aggressive.  The 2011 Mustang, on the other hand, is a thing of beauty…to my eyes the styling touches make the car look more refined, more classy, and yet all-American still.  For the first time in my life, I would take a Mustang over a Camaro in a heartbeat.

    • 0 avatar
      Rick

      The Camaro was basically designed as a cartoon – it debuted in that stupid transformers movie.  In fact, I have a very nerdy friend who went out and plunked down some $35 K on a 2010 SS just because of the movie.
      That said, I had a hell of a time when she let me take it out and trash it.  4.6 second 0-60 is no joke – the SS hauls ass.

    • 0 avatar
      erburgess

      “But this new Camaro looks ridiculous to me…like a cartoon.”

      My wife made this picture after seeing a few new Camaros running around.  I think it’s funny.
       

    • 0 avatar
      FJ20ET

      Wow. It’s as fast as a 18 year old toyota. And stops+handles worse.

      keep up the good work GM!

      Buy A Mustang.

      The 4th Gen sold well for the first 2 years as well, and then sales dropped off a cliff. You are not going to dethrone Ford anytime soon.

  • avatar
    mikey

    Consumer Reports? You gott’a be kidding. Were not talking Corrola vs Cobalt here. How many of the Mustang/Camaro crowd consult CR before buying?

     The Camaro and the Mustang are two very different cars,and they cater to different needs and wants.

    • 0 avatar
      colin42


      The Camaro and the Mustang are two very different cars,and they cater to different needs and wants.

      Funny I thought they were both 2 door 4 seater American muscle cars?

    • 0 avatar
      mikey

      Then you thought wrong.

    • 0 avatar
      ash78

      The “need to own a Chevy” vs the “need to own a Ford” have been the cornerstone of the Calvin Urinating Sticker industry for the past 20 years.

    • 0 avatar
      rnc

      How are they two different cars catering to different needs and wants?  They seem to be aiming at the same target and it’s not just consumer reports that feels that way about the car (camero), I think contrarian nailed it regarding evolution and I also think that NN nailed it, in person the new camero looks cartoonish, I don’t see where evolution takes it in the long run.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      Consumer Reports actually does a really good job of quantifying things and their performance car rankings are valid, if a little bit unlike those the buff books do.
       
      They’re only continuing the trend: everyone: the buff books, TTAC, and now CR all find the Mustang a better car overall, and a more “fun” car to drive.  The Camaro isn’t a bad car, but it’s not as good for as many people.  Personally I don’t like any of them, but that’s just me.

      Saying “they’re two different cars” isn’t true: they’re both pony cars, they’re after the same market, they’re priced right atop each other and spec’ed very similarly.  You may as well as the Accord and Camry are “two very different cars”.

    • 0 avatar

      “The Camaro and the Mustang are two very different cars, and they cater to different needs and wants.”

      Historically this is the case. The Mustang was always the secretary’s car and the Camaro was always the hoonmobile. Granted these are stereotypes, but like most stereotypes they have some basis in fact.

    • 0 avatar
      mikey

       Thank you… Joe M. 

    • 0 avatar
      KixStart

      Joe McKinney,

      “Historically,” maybe.  Today?  It’s a pair of muscularly styled 2+2 coupes (well, I suppose the Mustang does do the hatch thing) with available V8s.  It’s the same market.

      mikey,

      As noted, I am not buying it.  Please explain how they are “very different.”

    • 0 avatar
      tankinbeans

      @ash

      Amen about Calvin. Those stickers were funny for about 5 minutes when I was 10 and potty humor was more funny than it is now. The cliche is overdone.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      Amen about Calvin. Those stickers were funny for about 5 minutes when I was 10…
       
      I actually did look for a “Calvin-pissing-on-a-Volvo-logo” sticker when I owned a Saab.  Never found one, though.

    • 0 avatar
      jerseydevil

      I suspect most Mustang and Camaro buyers refer to Consumer reports.  If you look around, these cars are bought byempty nester adults, like me.  And I and all of my friends  have been using CR for years for everything else.  Why not cars?  Especailly cars. 

      CR has alway had a unique persepctive on cars.  Much like TTAC.  Also, these care are really for adults, empty nesters, etc, like me – who have been using CR for years.

    • 0 avatar
      PartsUnknown

      My neighbor has a clapped-out S10 he uses for dump runs with a Calvin sticker on the back – pissing on the Chevy bowtie.  Always good for a chuckle.

  • avatar
    Stingray

    I say, wait until the Challenger gets the Pentastar. It would be lovely to turbo the hell out of that motor. 290HP with MPFI. I guess it will be more than the Mustang or Camaro when it gets GDI

  • avatar
    talkstoanimals

    Well, since I bought a 2010 Mustang GT, I guess I’ve already voted with my wallet. But I found that even with the “inferior” old 4.6 (in truth, it’s a perfectly adequate motor for real world use, and it sounds fantastic), I found the Mustang to be more fun than the Camaro.  It just felt more alive, more agile and friskier than the Chevy to me.  To me the Mustang’s steering also felt more accurate and gave a better sense of what the front wheels were doing (hope that continues in the 2011s given the switch from hydraulic to electric boost). Add in the sense of bulk and restricted visibility that the Chevy gave off, and the sense that the car screams “look at me! please, please look at me!” whereas the Mustang just looks handsome, and it was a no brainer for me.  All subjective reasons to be sure.  But ultimately, it’s the subjective that drives purchases of cars like these. And that’s why I think anyone who chooses the Camaro over the Mustang has also made a perfectly legitimate choice.

  • avatar
    Educator(of teachers)Dan

    But I found that even with the “inferior” old 4.6 (in truth, it’s a perfectly adequate motor for real world use, and it sounds fantastic), I found the Mustang to be more fun than the Camaro.
     
    Amen, I even like the way the old 4.6 sounds in my old F150.  It’s awesome to hear snorting through the Mustangs twin pipes.

  • avatar
    VanillaDude

    That does it. Mustang. Confirmed. Any questions?

  • avatar
    geeber

    I test drove the new Camaro at the Carlisle All-GM event last year. It drivetrain was great, but it was obvious that the rest of the car required far too many day-to-day compromises. The interior was all black, and between the dark color, high beltline and narrow windshield, it reminded me of sitting in an old-fashioned, upholstered bathtub.

    Even if the drivetrain weren’t better, the Mustang would still win out over the Camaro for that reason alone. I suspect that, once initial demand is satisifed, the Mustang will again outsell the Camaro.

    • 0 avatar
      nrd515

      Dark interior? I like. I’ve hated the light colored interior of every car I’ve had with it.
      High beltline? Yes! Big greenhouses generally make an ugly car.
      “Narrow” windshield? Meh..don’t really care about that at all.
      Surprisingly, I really hate the Camaro. The interior is horrible (give me black or dark grey in a vehicle, always) in general, the steering wheel is ugly as hell, and the car itself is just stupid looking.
      I would take the Challenger if I had the money to buy one of these cars, since I presently drive a Charger, it’s not much of a change. Maybe when it’s time for a new car in a couple years, I’ll have to decide between them, but right now, the Challenger would be the easy choice, with the Mustang a distant second.

  • avatar
    frank908

    I wish someone would test the Mustang’s ox-cart rear suspension on real-world roads rather than a perfectly smooth track like every other test has so far.
    Haul one through the streets of Manhattan then jump on to the GWB exiting onto Route 4 or jump on the 287 north as you exit onto 95 into CT. I’d love to see how Mustang’s rear end works at those ridiculous speeds they show in those test drives then.
    I’m not saying the Camaro doesn’t have many of its own faults too, but enough with the track testing already. What are they both like in everyday real world situations not a track or on pot-hole free California roads? Test one in Detroit in the winter.
    PS- both V6′s sounded pretty lame to me in that video.

    • 0 avatar
      talkstoanimals

      I use the ’10′s solid rear axle on lots of broken, twisting pavement around VA, MD, WV, and DC.  Ford has done a remarkable job of taming the hopping and jumping around one might expect.  Is it as composed as a 335i or M3 in those situations?  No.  But is it scary or completely unmanageable?  Also no.  But I’d still pay the extra $600 or whatever the incremental cost is to have an IRS if I were to buy another Mustang.

    • 0 avatar

      It wasn’t an instrumented test, but my impressions of the Mustang and Camaro on Michigan roads were posted to this site last week.

    • 0 avatar
      FJ20ET

      DERP DERP OXCART.

      Solid-axles can a do A LOT more than just go straight.

      PONY>BOWTIE

  • avatar
    V572625694

    But what did CR think about the cupholders? And which car offers better left-foot braking when AT-equipped? And how hard is it to get a child seat in the back? This is what real Americans want to know about cars.

  • avatar
    HoldenSSVSE

    First:  The Mustang is the better car.
    Second:  The conclusions are total crap.
    The old Ford 4.0L ancient truck engine was “reliable” so the new engine should be too?  That’s the same kind of logic that had Consumer Reports giving a recommended rating to the 2008 Camry and Tundra while their subscribers rated them below average the same year.
    On the other hand the, Camaro hasn’t been around long enough to make a recommendation.  Really?  The Camaro is only based on the Zeta platform shared with the G8.  The same G8 that Consumer Reports currently has on their recommend list!
    How can anyone read that rag and give it any shred of credibility.
    But those glaring issues aside, the Mustang is the better car.

  • avatar
    ajla

    With V8s, I lean towards the Ford, but with the V6 I think I’d rather go with a Camaro LS/1LT.
     
    For about $25K you get the Zeta platform, LLT engine, and extremely extroverted styling. Plus, I can get it in alien-glow green, supernova orange, or jackass yellow.

    The Mustang V6 is probably technically better, but I’d like owning the Chevy more.

  • avatar
    StevetheStater

    I’d buy the Mustang every time … for all the reasons given by others in this post and for two other reasons:
    1. This is a Government Motors product.  I’m not going to contribute to the delinquency of the Government by buying their stuff.  The taxpayer’s money went to pay for UAW pensions.  We’ll not be getting it back.

    2. How do you suppose GM got into the position it’s currently in?   By selling top-notch products for a fair price?  GM got into trouble because it built cars on the margin.  Meaning: if an engine put out 300 ft-lbs of torque, then a transmission that was rated at 305 ft-lbs was plenty good…. according to GM bean counters.  Consider this: Merced College in California tore down two tranmissions in their Auto Shop one day to compare manufacturing and construction approaches by GM and Honda.  The GM tranny came out of a Sunbird, the Honda tranny came out of an Accord.   In the GM product, plastic bearings were everywhere to be found.  Needle bearings were rare.  The GM had half the planetary gears of the Honda.  In short, the GM tranny was built to the margins:   just good enough to get by on a normal day.   It got so frustrating for the instructors that half-way through the teardown, they picked up the GM tranny and hurled it into a trash bin.  It was that bad.   
    So, now the question is: has GM learned its lesson?   Have they stopped building to the margins or is it possible for a brand-new Camero with the biggest power plant GM can stuff in it to twist off the transmission input shaft because the shaft was rated to the margins of the engine’s output?   Not possible, right?

  • avatar
    jerseydevil

    I like both of these cars.  I would buy the mustang, cause I like the way it looks.  The camaro was kinda claustrophobic.

    But I would not buy a Mustandganyway.  I am a GTI kinda guy.  These cars are too big, and dont handle as well.  THey are great to look at when they go by tho.

    • 0 avatar
      talkstoanimals

      My ’10 Mustang outhandles my ’08 GTI by a wiiiiide margin.  The Mustang is better balanced, grippier, turns in better and provides an equal amount of feedback and body motion control. Yet it rides better. And that’s with the track pack.

  • avatar
    kjs

    Does this address the question of your alleged “just below the surface Anti-Americanism”? It seems like a transparent attempt to divide & conquer Americans by pitting them against each other. Ha!

  • avatar
    DanDotDan

    I call it a dead tie, because I can’t get past the $28K price tag for either of them.

  • avatar
    86er

    On The Booth Babe’s last article, TTAC commentator, LALoser, stated that he originally thought that I was the Booth Babe!

    I thought the rumour was that Bertel was BB?

  • avatar
    oboylepr

    Funny I thought they were both 2 door 4 seater American muscle cars?
     
    Not at all! They are both 2 door 4 seater American muscle cars! What’s the matter with you?
    ;-)
     

  • avatar
    oboylepr

    “the biggest issue I have with the Camaro is that they didn’t finish the tuning. it drives as if they got 85% of the way done and were told “that’s good enough, move on to something else”. GM has talented people who can tune that platform (witness G8) well, but they were somehow kept from finishing the job.”

    Classic GM, nothing much has changed. I see these abominations all the time (my commute takes me past the factory) and fit and finish leaves a bit to be desired also. I was behind one yesterday on the 401, SS version, panel gaps were all over the place. Either that or the guy had a body stuffed in the trunk! And no, I don’t subscribe to that Clarksonian notion that only murderers drive camaros!

  • avatar
    jplane

    I have always been a GM man.  My niece has a 2010 Camaro and I drove it.  It was really fun to drive, but I couldn’t live with the blind spots – the A pillars and C pillars are bad.  Then, I test drove a Mustang.  I bought the Mustang.  I absolutely love the Mustang and find it to be the funner car to drive.

  • avatar
    LALoser

    You are a good sport Cammy! If ever in Honolulu, give me a shout.
    BTW: How ’bout a test between some fine vintage iron…like the Pinto VS Vega?…or not…

  • avatar
    5.4 bowtie crusher

    Mustang 2010 and up vs the camaro is the clear winner. Better HP produced per liter, lighter, superior handling, looks the part (not cartoon like), longer heritage and to top it off the 2011 5.0 was clear competition for a BMW M3 at over $25,000.00 less! The driver that thrashed both the m3 and the 2011 5.0 mustang around the test track mentioned the camaro SS would have been crushed! Looks like Chevy’s 6.2 liter wouldn’t mean much against Ford’s 5.0 liter or the BMW’s 4.0 liter on a road course. As for the ridiculous comments about a solid rear axle on the street, totally ridiculous, Fords current generation of mustangs handle well even of bad pavement, as mentioned for a few $ a couple of upgrades can fully ensure even horrid road conditions are no issue. The potential for suspension upgrades are plentiful taking the mustang even further ahead of its competition. of course not forgetting how easy and relatively inexpensive  it is to get a shelby gt 500 into the 700hp zone, the . As for an upcoming Z28, if GM can actually bring it to market, bring it on….be nice to crush it with my 2010 shelby!


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