By on July 11, 2010

Both men and women have their stereotypes, as I quickly learned on the auto show circuit. One is that women won’t date a guy unless he drives a hot ride. I’m here to tell you that, for the most part, it is not true.

Yes, there are some gold diggers and Polly Prissy Pants who won’t get into anything that costs less than $60K, but most of us aren’t total douchettes. Our desires for your vehicle are as follows: It is clean. It doesn’t smell. It doesn’t belong to your mom. It is representative of your station in life.

You cannot possibly expect a possible love match to get into a filthy vehicle that hasn’t seen a car wash since the previous administration, whose interior reeks of beer and  cigarettes, and whose seats are sticky and stained with God knows what bodily fluids. Actually, we probably know what those bodily fluids are not, because there’s no way you’re getting laid in that thing. We just spent the better part of two hours in hair, makeup and wardrobe to look good for you. Please take ten minutes, and vacuum the car.

If you’re 25 and you pick me up in a minivan or a Volvo, I know one of two things: Either you’re married and cheating or you’re driving your mom’s car. Neither option will get you very far in this relationship. The first is self-explanatory, and the second implies you haven’t cut the apron strings or gotten a job that pays higher than minimum wage. I have lots of respect for an honest days’ work regardless of pay, but most women (me included) want a man who is at least as ambitious and successful as she. We want an even playing field.

Which brings me to my next point: Make sure you’re driving a car representative of your station in life. If you’re CIO of a major tech firm (and yes, we Googled you to make sure you weren’t lying) and you roll up in an old rusted out VW Rabbit, we know you’re cheap. I don’t have a problem buying my own dinner, but I would have a major problem living with a miser who splits two-ply toilet paper into one. That is the first image in our minds when you pull up in a cheap old car far below your pay scale.

On the other end of the spectrum, please don’t think you can trick us by rolling up to the club in a Bentley. A man’s shoes and/or watch always give him away. We can tell in an instant if you’re really a baller or if you’re a $30,000 “millionaire” that rented a car for the night to try to score some chicks. Pretending to be someone you’re not will get you no love.

Don’t believe me? My Special Man Friend drives a pickup truck. (Rest assured, it’s not an Unnecessary Truck.) It is kept impeccably clean and smells lovely, much like him.

The Booth Babe is an anonymous auto show model who dishes about what really goes on behind the scenes. Read her blog at http://doyoucomewiththecar.blogspot.com. And if you treat her nicely, read her each Sunday at Thetruthaboutcars.com

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122 Comments on “The Booth Babe Chronicles: How Your Car Will Ruin Your Sex Life...”


  • avatar

    Why do I feel like this article came with the highly optional lecture feature that I didn’t order?

  • avatar
    thebeelzebubtrigger

    Reminds me of the time years ago I met this very charming but “obviously broke” young man in a bar. When we left together and he pulled out the keyfob I expected to see the parking lights flash on some ratty little hatchback, but it turned out he was driving a Ferrari 348 — and he also had a Testarossa at home.

  • avatar
    dastanley

    Boothbabe, you’re in true form this week. I thought you were starting to get soft on us the last couple of articles, but I see you’re back full of piss and vinegar.

  • avatar
    educatordan

    “My Special Man Friend drives a pickup truck. (Rest assured, it’s not an Unnecessary Truck.) It is kept impeccably clean and smells lovely, much like him.”

    Ah ha! So it is Mike Rowe!

  • avatar
    carguy

    Don’t you think it’s a bit of a stretch to imply that you are speaking for women of all ages, circumstance and ethnicity and how they judge men by their cars?

    Even if we stick to the narrow demographic confines of young, white and middle class – my nephew drives on old minivan so he can haul his bands gear – somehow that van has never been bad for his sex life.

    • 0 avatar
      JuniorMint

      No, no, the article still applies…but the inherent sexual appeal of being in a band (+120%) more than eclipses the sexual *reduction* of owning a minivan. (-60%)

      Basic math.

  • avatar
    Andy D

    Great video clip. BTW, modern pickups are the closest thing you can get to a 30s 3 window coupe.

  • avatar
    golden2husky

    At a previous job when I was a late 20 something I recall a discussion with a mid thirties married woman with whom I worked with. She was a always wearing fashionable clothing, shoes, etc. She stated simply that “women want money. they have no interest in being with somebody who can’t provide a decent living”…Decent to her back then was low 100s. She was more than willing to work, but he had to have a good earning potential.

    I must admit that I used to look at my date’s rides with a careful eye. I didn’t care if it was a Corolla, but I did care if it was dirty, dented, and perpetually on low fuel. That indicates a hand-to-mouth mentality…and those traits don’t ever go away no matter how much you make…

  • avatar
    fredtal

    Alas the perils of judging people by the car they drive.

  • avatar
    ajla

    If you’re 25 and you pick me up in a minivan or a Volvo…

    Even if it’s a V70R, C70, C30, or current S80?
    _______
    Does showing up in a Buick, Cadillac, or Lincoln mean that you are in your grandparent’s car?

    • 0 avatar
      Sam P

      Clearly, Booth Babe thinks Volvo = 240, 740, or 940 series, and hasn’t a clue about the latest models. One of the main male characters in the awful Twilight series drives a C30, and young women seem to find him attractive.

    • 0 avatar

      Sam, I have nothing to say about a group of women who find a sparkly vampire sexually attractive. PS – Edward Cullen’s mom bought him that car.

  • avatar

    A wedding ring is a much better aphrodisiac, ultimate social proof; admit it ladies.

  • avatar
    forraymond

    Shoes and watches are dead give-aways. You just can’t fix bad taste.

    • 0 avatar

      I never wear a watch. Where does that leave me?

    • 0 avatar
      Libertyman03

      I don’t wear a watch either. Do Nike sneakers work?

    • 0 avatar
      NulloModo

      I don’t wear a watch either. As for shoes, I’ve got my trust NuBalance sneakers, and a set of black Dunhams that serve as work/dressed-up/formal-attire shoes. What more do I need?

      If a woman is going to judge me based on my shoes, watch, or car before getting to know me, I’m not really interested in getting to know her anyway. I have absolutely no interest in fashion, beyond (mostly) being able to pull together a shirt and pants that sort of match.

      I can recognize a coach or D&G logo, but I have no idea if a woman rocking either has the real thing or a knockoff, and in the end, I don’t really care. A $100 hair-do, $500 dress and $300 shoes are either going to go completely unnoticed by me, or send up a red flag to run the other way.

    • 0 avatar
      0menu0

      The whole fashion/hair/makeup thing is primarily to impress other Women though.

    • 0 avatar
      european

      +1 nullomodo

      @0menu0
      so true, so fking true…

  • avatar
    Lexingtonian

    Watches? Who wears watches in the modern era, when everyone has a continuously updated-over-the-air timepiece in their pocket.

    • 0 avatar

      To a large proportion of the men I know, a watch is their fashion status symbol the way handbags are to women. I’d rather have a handful of well-made, high quality “status” bags than a closet full of cheapies that will fall apart in a month. Men who are into watches generally go for the kind they can leave their sons: Breitlings, Tags, etc.

      I wear a watch because mine is pretty : )

    • 0 avatar
      WaftableTorque

      For men, the watch and the shoes are important social markers. Not because lower caste men care about watches and shoes, but because they don’t care.

      In the world of poker, it’s called a “tell”. In social signalling, it’s a demarker between social and occupational classes.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      Who wears (nice) watches? Honestly? Most of my openly-gay friends.

      For the record, they all drive nicer cars than I do, too.

    • 0 avatar
      european

      @WaftableTorque

      haha, you couldnt be more wrong. succsessful men dont
      bother about watches. its those insecure succsessful-wannabes
      that DO CARE.

      omfg, look here, fan boys no1 idol, yet where’s the watch??
      where is it????? OMFG?????

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steve_Jobs_WWDC07.jpg

    • 0 avatar
      Signal11

      Waftable Torque,

      I was waiting for someone to bring this up. This just isn’t true anymore. The time of the wristwatch has passed – the trend for a man wearing a time piece on his wrist started eighty some years ago, peaked in decades past and is on the decline now, as is natural for any men’s accessory.

      By occupation and education, I’m in what used to be the socially watch wearing crowd, but most of us just don’t wear watches anymore. In fact, I’d say that those who do come off looking particularly affected. Or, as psarhjinian pointed out, as someone who bats from the other side of the box. Personally, the last time I regularly wore a watch was when I was in the service.

      The only thing you’re going to be able to tell by looking at the day to day footwear is that I do most of my shoe shopping at REI (which I suppose gives some clues). I have decent shoes I simply don’t wear much anymore, mostly because I’m of the “station” and “social class” it doesn’t matter what I wear, so long as I’m not too far out of bounds. Outside of certain situations (usually religious or ceremonial) where there’s a very strictly defined dress, people generally aren’t in a position to tell me what to do. Personally, I range towards the casual of any dress, which I think is a better general policy, anyway.

      Anyway, the article’s imagination is extremely limited in scope. What applies to BB simply will not apply to people living on the other coast, to Texas, or for that matter, to Europe, the Mideast, South Asia or anywhere else. That’s the real point here – in speaking to social class and station, she’s just revealing hers.

    • 0 avatar
      WaftableTorque

      It’s not important whether you want to play the game of wearing a nice watch or shoes, or whether you partipate in other social markers like l33t, u-english, handbags, or yachts. The important thing is to know that the game exists.

      Wristwatches and shoes still matter to me and my social circles, but other things they partipate in I could care less. So no argument from me.

      Also, I can tell from european’s attacks on Booth Babe that he couldn’t stand in the same room without spewing vim and vinegar towards someone like her or I. That’s ok. Generalizations work both ways; doing it with wit takes effort, and I appreciate her effort.

  • avatar
    LeeK

    My brother, when he was an aspiring investment banker in the go-go 80s in Boca Raton, Florida, was a hunk. Women flocked to him. But, being an aspiring investment banker just starting out in the banking world on the lowest rungs of the ladder, did not have much in the way of financial means. So he bombed around in a base Mazda 323 with a manual transmission. It was clean and uncluttered, but it was definitely basic transportation and no more. He tells of dates that he would make with very attractive women who were very keen on the idea until he would show up at their house in his 323 and their reaction would be, “that’s your car?”, with incredulity and disappointment in their tone. My brother would use this as a litmus test for the woman’s character. If you can’t see the person though the material possessions, then that potential mate would always be superficial and not really worth entering into a serious relationship with.

    Their loss. He rose to become the treasurer of a bank, has a wonderful wife and two kids, and still drives a 13-year-old Infiniti G20 with a manual transmission. For him, cars simply don’t mean anything more that reliably getting from point A to point B. A car is not a status symbol, because he doesn’t care. And he’s still a hunk.

    • 0 avatar

      And I bet his car is still clean, still doesn’t smell and still doesn’t belong to your mother. I would’ve dated him.

    • 0 avatar
      philipwitak

      my silver cayman is immaculate. my vintage stainless-steel rolex with it’s jubilee bracelet is ‘just like new.’ and my 15-years-old sperry topsiders might be the smelliest things on two feet.

      if i promised to wash my feet – even between all my toes – would you date me?

  • avatar
    geozinger

    I used to keep my cars in immaculate condition, but I don’t think it ever really helped me with the ladies much. Maybe I was lucky that I didn’t run into women who were into the whole”money” thing.

    Of course, the woman I married I met when I was at an occasional low in my finances, when I was driving a total rust bucket. We celebrated our 24th wedding anniversary in June.

    These days, I have no need to impress anybody but myself.

  • avatar
    folkdancer

    You mean someone has found a use for a pick up truck?!

  • avatar
    RayH

    “Our desires for your vehicle are as follows: It is clean. It doesn’t smell. It doesn’t belong to your mom. It is representative of your station in life.”

    My 3 clunkers probably don’t represent my station in life, but they helped me reach my current “station” sooner than some. The exteriors never get cleaned except for the windshield. The interiors are cleaned if they smell too bad. Luckily all girlfriends I’ve had haven’t cared too much, although they let me know when it smells.

  • avatar
    Toad

    If I remember correctly, according to the book The Millionaire Next Door, the most popular vehicle driven by actual millionaires was the Ford F150. Makes sense: there are (or were) many more successful plumbers, general contractors, farmer/ranchers that own their own business and actually use a pickup than investment bankers in (leased) BMW’s. The Booth Babe is smarter than many of you give her credit for.

    According the book, many millionaires also purchased used domestic vehicles, most stayed in the same modest home for years, and stayed married to their first wife.

    The perspective of dealership F&I person who actually sees the credit reports of people buying/leasing different types of vehicles would make for a great article.

    Good work, Booth Babe. As always, entertaining for those who don’t need the advice and insight; infuriating and incomprehensible to those that do.

    • 0 avatar
      WaftableTorque

      I enjoyed reading that book, as well as Thomas Stanley’s follow-up “Stop Acting Rich”. Most people aren’t interested in being cash millionaires, just the lifestyle that being a millionaire confers. Being rich and having prestige are really separate goals.

      I personally enjoy hearing stories of poorly dressed rich people being treated like bums: it shows me that there are still naive people at all wealth and income levels who think appearance shouldn’t matter. They get what they deserve.

    • 0 avatar
      itsgotvtakyo

      When I was in the box I had to throw a guy out that POIed a legitimate million dollars a year but was extended out of his you know what. His debt to income was atrocious, his payments were sporadic at best and nobody wanted to go near him. I had an approval with about 30% down and 18% but he was too “good” to pay so much interest. He was quick to remind me how much money he made and it took everything I had to not remind him I could go buy almost any car I wanted with a signature and without an absurd interest rate.

      On the other hand it was the lower/middle class blue collar folks that had very modest incomes but came in with substantial cash down payments and 800+ credit scores.

    • 0 avatar
      NulloModo

      I’ve sold many F-150s (and Super Dutys) to millionaires. Granted, a lot of them splurge a bit and go for the Lariat, King Ranch, Harley Davidson, or Platinum trim trucks, but even fully loaded with every option an F-150 is going to top out under $60K, and a F450 will fall a little under $70K.

      There are a few little islands off the coast here where you can’t even begin to approach owning a home unless you are worth multiple millions (not just for the price of the home, but for the hurricane/flood insurance rates that would easily double most people’s mortgages and the fact that a couple of those islands are only accessible by boat or air-strip). If you look in a lot of those driveways, you will see F150s, and other fullsize pickups.

      As for the F&I side, while I’m not a finance guy myself, I can weigh in a little bit on the credit side. We have a lot of Seminoles in this area. Being a member of the tribe means big fat checks from the casino profits, with most of them earning over $100K a year without really doing much of anything. With all of that easy money though comes a lack of understanding of its value or how to budget it. Many of them have absolutely horrible credit, down in the 400s and low 500s range, despite the income and the fact that many of them live in areas where home prices more along the lines of Detroit than NYC.

  • avatar
    geggamoya

    Works both ways.. I would not date a woman that looks down on me because of my cars. As it just so happens my daily driver at the moment is a ridiculously clean 20 year old Volvo that looks like new.. And i do wear proper shoes and swiss made automatic watches.

  • avatar
    threeer

    Kind of off-topic, but I once knew a guy in Northern TN that worked his farm on the side and made his money the old-fashioned way…he earned it. Coming off of the farm one day in his overalls and such, he decided on the way back to the house to stop by the local Cadillac dealership to see what was new and interesting on the lot (more for his wife than for himself). Every (and I mean every) salesman on the lot ran from him as he pulled in with his trusty pick up. Now mind you, he wasn’t filthy from the farm, but nobody gave him even a first, much less second, glance. The next day, he arrived at the same said dealership in a tasteful suit (and driving his wife’s much nicer older Benz). They fell all over themselves trying to get him to buy a car. The older gentlemen quietly asked for the manager/owner (who happened to be an acquaintance), explained the situation from the day before, and then calmly walked out of the dealership, never to return.

    Yes, most self-made millionaires (not folks like LeBron or Kobe) drive three to five year old Buicks, not Ferraris. They live in middle-class houses (that they completely own). Sorry to disappoint…their “station” according to some would necessitate a BMW or Lexus, I suppose, but I have more respect for them for how they chose to spend (or not spend, as it were) their money. And I applaud Booth Babe for lovin’ her man with a pickem-up truck!

    • 0 avatar

      I’ve been told similar stories by lots of dealer reps at auto shows. It’s interesting,the sales associates in the smaller regions are much more willing to talk to anybody and everybody, regardless of how they present themselves, while the sales people in larger areas are more seemingly snobbish in their approach.

    • 0 avatar
      mtymsi

      A true story in the same vein was told to me by my father in the mid sixties. He owned a marina and sold boats and was at the New York Boat show which at the time was the country’s premier boat show. Chris Craft had a 57′ Constellation motor yacht on display and it was also the queen of the show (nicest, largest boat there). A man dressed in dirty overalls boarded the boat and of course the Chris Craft salesmen refused to even talk to him. Turns out the man owned a junk yard in Brooklyn and came to the show from there. He bought the 57′ Constellation. To this day I have never forgotten the lesson, never judge a book by its cover.

      To Booth Babe, I did not see your above post as you posted it while I was composing mine. After spending 30 years selling cars I can guarantee you that sales people with snobbish attitudes are costing themselves and their dealerships sales. No matter what the product being sold people buy from people they at least somewhat like and I’ve yet to meet anyone that likes a snob.

    • 0 avatar
      JSF22

      The wealthiest person I personally know is an exceedingly well qualified and successful pension plan attorney. He is entirely self-made and totally free of pretense. He buys cars of high quality, that he enjoys driving, cares for them, and drives them as long as he can. He recently sought to replace his ten-year-old 7-Series. At my urging he visited the Porsche-Audi dealership in Birmingham, Michigan, intending to buy an A8. He could have bought every car in the showroom, but probably looked as though he had just finished mowing the lawn himself (which he no doubt had). He was approached by a snooty salesperson, and when he asked to drive an A8, the salesperson replied, “Do you have any idea how much one of those costs?” He drove to the nearest BMW dealer and wrote a check for a new 7-Series.

    • 0 avatar
      WaftableTorque

      The benefit of not driving an exotic or the newest luxury car is that my employees don’t feel compelled to ask me for a raise, and less I pay them, the more I keep for myself. Otherwise, I would really bite for a Bentley or Rolls Royce.

    • 0 avatar
      NulloModo

      I’ll step back and let someone else run up to the customer who drives up in a shiny newish BMW or Mercedes, but run someone over to get the guy who drives up in five year old Buick.

      The late-model German folk might buy a car, but (and I am generalizing here, though most of the time this holds true) they are going to be snobby, impatient, demand things be done their way, argue aggressively about price and either make up stories about offers from other dealers or quote internet figures they’ve ‘seen’ but couldn’t bother to print out (or remember what site gave them the supposed invoice price that is actually about five grand under the real invoice). There might be a deal there, but I don’t need the roughly $100 (after taxes) that comes from selling a nothing deal badly enough to spend my time being insulted, berated, and belittled by someone who is going to leave me in a bad mood for the rest of the day, if not the week, and then give a bad survey because we they didn’t like the generic brand coffee or the paper-cone cups next to the Culligan water cooler.

      The older couple trading in the Buick Century is a lot more likely to either pay full sticker, or full sticker minus a small courtesy discount, and be generally pleasant to deal with throughout the sales process.

  • avatar
    blue adidas

    I didn’t realize I’d wandered over to the Cosmogirl Magazine website.

    Just about every girl I have known that’s under the age of 30 has a disgusting vehicle with fingernail clippings, melted candy and hair clips in all the crevices. I don’t mind helping with cleaning the engine or the exterior, but keep the interior space that you occupy clean at least. If you don’t like my Volvo Bi@ch, see ya. Frankly, if you’re driving a Camry, PT Cruiser or Hyundai, I don’t want anything to do with you either.

    • 0 avatar
      Disaster

      This is true with the under 30 crowd in general…boys or girls. They treat the car like rolling bedrooms/bathrooms, which are likewise filthy. Cars are treated much more like utilities, to get from place to place, than they were for previous generations, who grew up getting their hands dirty.

  • avatar
    twotone

    That’s why Mini Coopers rule!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chHpV2Hlt-k

    Twotone

  • avatar
    tklockau

    I drive a Volvo V50. Before that, I had a S70 AWD and a 940SE Turbo before that. Is that a trifecta? I just like these cars, I wish I had the 940 back too!

  • avatar
    schwerglas

    well, I think I confuse them with my 3 stationwagons and my miata … but I was wondering what do the girls think when you show up in a motorcycle , does all this still apply

    • 0 avatar

      Motorcycles give you instant bad boy cred. +10. Bring an extra helmet.

    • 0 avatar
      KIM1963

      Even more so where i live if it’s a nice Harley .

    • 0 avatar
      Syke

      I’ll go with Booth Babe on that one. Add motorcycle club colors (non 1%er) to a local hardcore club, and just walking into a bar on a Friday night can get real interesting.

    • 0 avatar
      rocketrodeo

      @booth babe, @kim1963: as a 25+ year rider, I find that hilariously ironic. Nothing says “compensating” quite like a Harley with loud pipes — much, much more so than an Unnecessary Truck. I’m pretty ecumenical in my taste for bikes and can appreciate a decent cruiser when I see one, but fully 3/4 of the people on Harleys these days are poorly skilled wankers. So are many if not most sportbike riders. Look for a guy with an expensive (Arai, Shoei), non-graphic-laden helmet, full leathers or riding suit, riding a German, Japanese, or British sport-tourer or adventure tourer. There’s your clean, nice smelling F150 or 10-year-old Infiniti equivalent. The helmet he lends you is less likely to be dirty and smelly, and you’re much more likely to survive your ride.

    • 0 avatar
      KIM1963

      rocketrodeo …..I can appreciate everything you said and i’m sure you are right , but speaking for the area i live in ……Harley equals Bad Boy .

      Just another example of sterotypes.

    • 0 avatar
      Signal11

      @Rocketrodeo

      You forgot the term “middle aged” in your list of adjectives to describe Harley riders. Buell makes some nice bikes, though. I’m currently planning a Tierra del Fuego ride and was considering the Ulysses XB12 for a while until I came back to my senses and went back to looking for the right disposable BMW.

      I went through an Italian phase for a while, but I got over that pretty quick.

      Right now, I’m a constant heartbeat and a nudge away from buying an Indian Chief, as dumb as that would be.

  • avatar
    AlmostThere

    Been a reader for almost 5 years and can’t believe this is where I post my first comment!
    Long story short, maybe people from the town (nothing like NYC) I met my girlfriend has less expectations in the car a guy drives, quite a few of the girls/women I knew (I know?) only cares that you have a car to take them out for a date. Of course, a clean one will help.

  • avatar
    Signal11

    Blah blah blah stereotypical Maxim nonsense blah blah blah. This kind of tired, hackneyed dating advice for juvenile car geeks belongs on Jalopnik or AskMen.

    And really, who gives a rat’s ass about what Mr. Booth Babe drives?

    THIS is the intelligent feminine perspective for TTAC? At least with Cammy’s articles, I don’t get dizzy from repetitive eye rolling.

  • avatar
    Dynamic88

    OK, I have to know, where does my $28 Casio analogue watch leave me? (I think I kinda know, but want confirmation)

    I use it to know what time it is.

    This is purely academic, as I’ve been happily married 32 years.

  • avatar
    Autopassion

    “Booth Babe” is entirely correct.

    Before I met my wife, I was single for many years. A car has nothing to do with your dating success. In addition to her guidelines, I would add the following:

    1. Most important of all, have a great sense of humor.

    2. Actually pay attention to what your date is saying.

    3. Save your money for great clothes – and learn how to wear them. That doesn’t mean a suit if your live in a rural area for example, it just means nice.

    4. Be well groomed – whatever your style, find the best barber or hairdresser you can find.

    4. Be well read; it makes you more interesting and helps build that sense of humor thing.

    All of the above works, I promise.

    • 0 avatar
      0menu0

      Agree 100% I usually drive basic(well kept)econoboxes and usually dont have tons of extra cash. All I bring to the table is a bit of height and a good sense of humor. Couple those with a halfway decent wardrobe and good grooming and it equals no real problems attracting Women. Bonus on the well read part: I’ve been approached by women solely because I was reading a book (I guess that stands out in todays society)

  • avatar
    KIM1963

    I’ve seen this video before but it’s just as amusing watching it again. Maybe i’m steortyping here but it seems half the men that drive cars like this seem to be trying to over compensate for lacking in some other area than driving it for the actual love of the car itself .

    I drive a Ford Ranger . Why ? Because for me it suits all my needs . Small and great on gas , hauls all my gardening supplies and flowers . And being a huge antique lover i frequent auctions and flea markets and can haul home my new purchase with out hubby having to whine about taking his truck to pick up something i’ve bought that he just can’t understand why i need it ,or where i’ll put it !

  • avatar
    sideshowtom98

    I love cars, and enjoy a feminine perspective on just about everything. However, the Booth Babe falls way short in insightfulness, and interesting writing. A waste of time and column space.

    • 0 avatar
      KIM1963

      Why ? Because most everything she said was true ?

      I’m not sticking up for Booth Babe because i’m a woman but because i agree with what she wrote .

      There are many women out there that won’t get in a vehicle under $60k , no matter how shiny , new and clean your F150 is , it’s not going to happen . And there is absolutly no 25 yr old that is going to be driving a minivan unless like she said ……married or its mom’s .

      How many men do you know would get into a car with a woman (even if she is totally hot ) if that car was a rusted , dented, falling apart pos that smelled like road kill ??

      For the majority of us as long as it’s clean and smells nice and is all in one piece and one color ( no rust is not a color ) we are ok with it .

    • 0 avatar
      Signal11

      Why ? Because most everything she said was true ?

      I’ll take the liberty. It’s empty because it’s presumptuous and really only applies to the Office Space social class.

      I’m not sticking up for Booth Babe because i’m a woman but because i agree with what she wrote .

      But then I think you missed the point of her VW example:

      And there is absolutly no 25 yr old that is going to be driving a minivan unless like she said ……married or its mom’s .

      Living in a cringe inducingly fashionable neighborhood of artists, musicians and their wannabe hipster compadres, I know a bunch of guys in that age range who drive vans/minivans and station wagons, mostly to haul their bands’ stuff around. And we all know that rock bands and DJs don’t get much action from the chicas, right?

      How many men do you know would get into a car with a woman (even if she is totally hot ) if that car was a rusted , dented, falling apart pos that smelled like road kill ??

      Hell, I’ve done that, paid the consequences and did it again. And will continue to, if it ever happens again.

    • 0 avatar
      danman75

      “How many men do you know would get into a car with a woman (even if she is totally hot ) if that car was a rusted , dented, falling apart pos that smelled like road kill ??”

      Maam, you give us men FAR too much credit. I would say the overwhelming majority of men (single men, at least) WOULD follow a totally hot woman into a car that was in a condition far worse than you described.

    • 0 avatar
      0menu0

      How many men do you know would get into a car with a woman (even if she is totally hot ) if that car was a rusted , dented, falling apart pos that smelled like road kill ??

      Every guy I know(me included). Women often make the mistake of applying their thought process to Men’s behavior. The average guy doesn’t care about a Woman’s car. Hell, if I’m “gettin’ some” when we get there, I’ll push the damn POS to where we’re going!

    • 0 avatar
      Disaster

      Most men would follow a hot woman into a stinking brown pile of poo.

  • avatar
    Signal11

    Wow. As I’d stated previous comment, this article is remarkably vapid and banal, but wow. Simply wow.

    The failure of reading comprehension among the readership is stunning.

    And who wears watches anymore?

    • 0 avatar
      Dynamic88

      I still wear a watch. I have no need or desire for a cell phone. The key to being productive is no phone/internet access.

      I do have a need to keep track of the time, as certain things need to be done at certain times.

      Do I need to go out and buy a couple dozen wrist watches to last me the rest of my life?

    • 0 avatar
      KIM1963

      Signal…After reading and giving it some thought to your comments to mine given on sideshows98’s post i am going to try to defend my comments :)

      Only applies to the office space social class ……i don’t feel like i fall under that class . Booth Babe stated that both men and women have their sterotypes . I feel this is a true statement as i’ve seen it many times .

      Women that won’t get into anything that costs less than $60K….. Sad but true . There are many(snobby) women like this and look at a car as a status symbol .

      Getting into a filthy vehicle …..I’m sorry but there are very few women that want to get in a nasty dirty smelly car ! Booth Babe is right we try to look and dress good for you and sometimes spend several hrs getting that way and don’t want to ride in something nasty , dirty and smelly !

      Picking up a date in a minivan …..I do agree Signal that guys do haul band equipment in them . They do also here . But in my area picking up your date in a minivan your either married or using your moms . So for me true again .

      You think i missed her point of view on the VW example…… No i didn’t . As i stated from the beginning i thought MOST everything she said was true and i was sticking up for her becaused i AGREEED with what she wrote . I actually didn’t make a comment about that portion of her article , but will now . Though I do agree this holds true for some women for me a car representing someone’s station in life doesn’t always hold true . I’ve seen men drive overly expensive cars when they could barely aford to feed their families let alone make a payment on a car they didn’t need to be driving . The same could be said for a weathly man driving a cheap dinged old model of a car when they could be driving luxury .

      As an example of representing your station in life . I have a friend who is in his middle 30’s . Drives a beautiful old mustang shelby . He got this car handed down to him from his dad who bought it new some time in the 60’s ( can’t remember the exact yr )and i’m sure will go to his own son someday .This car is nearly show condition . What station in life does this put him in…….. laid off like so many others around here . He sold his daily driver to make ends meet .

      As far as a man’s watch and shoes giving him away ……There is truth to this statement also . Here it would be work boots and a pocket watch . They don’t exactly go with a Bentley .

      I am admitting defeat in my comment , how many men would get into a car with a woman …..i incorrectly asumed most men wouldn’t get into a nasty , smelly , crap of a car even if it contained a hot looking woman, or as OmenuO pointed out women tend to apply their thought process to men’s behavior ,but isn’t that what a lot of guys did on here to Booth Babes article , applyed their thought process to women’s behavior .

    • 0 avatar
      NulloModo

      Kim –

      Where is it common for people to wear workboots and a pocket watch? I’m intrigued. I’m always associated pocket watches with high society. They are certainly an anachronism throughout most of the US, sort of an affectation of accessory to go with the tux for a night out at the opera or ballet. Who wears them with work boots?

    • 0 avatar
      KIM1963

      NulloModo …… here in Southern Indiana work boots and pocket watches are common . This is rural area with a lot of farmers . My grandpa wore bib overalls ,in the front was a small pocket where he kept his pocket watch . A lot of men here carry a pocket watch instead of a wrist watch which can get caught on farm equipment , the twine on hay bales , in the halters and ropes of cows and horses . They are also more likely to get wet or broke on their wrist then in their pocket .

    • 0 avatar

      You’ll also find the work boots and pocket watch combination around the railroad, although it’s not as common as it used to be. Almost all railroaders wear or carry watches on duty because pulling out a cell phone, even to check the time, is a good way to incur the wrath of the nearest official (thanks to a collision caused by an engineer who was texting.) I hardly ever wore a watch before I went railroading, and I generally don’t wear one when off duty, but when on duty I’m always wearing one.

    • 0 avatar
      bill h.

      Go to any site or magazine about fine watches and you’ll see ones that cost more than cars….so as you can tell above, many people do wear them, whether wrist or pocket.

      Besides, as this is a car site–I woulda thought that more folks could a appreciate a nice timepiece, especially if it’s mechanical/self-winding, just because of the engineering and workmanship/art that goes into one. Old fashioned? Perhaps, but you can tell the time on them long after the guy next to you has the battery on his cell phone crap out. And it’ll keep running without a recharger.

      Other ‘old fashioned’ things are interesting to some car folks too because they’re so well designed or engineered. I don’t hand write as much as I used to, but my “daily driver” for jotting and signing receipts is a Parker 51 fountain pen, made in 1942. It isn’t imprinted with some cheap hotel chain’s name on it, still looks as sleek as any modern car, and it gets comments all the time. Quite a few folks are out there who can appreciate cars, watches and writing instruments for their technical appeal, regardless of the fashion statement they might make or the age of the person.

    • 0 avatar
      Power6

      Ha self winding watch…then you have to buy a winder contraption for when you take it off.

      Casio solved this problem already with their stealth solar faced watches that stop the hands in the dark and set time by the NIST radio waves. But people will go on wearing those expensive watches, they are impressive in their “this is the most expensive way to keep time” sort of way, no different than any other jewelry.

      I had a titanium Fossil that got a lot of attention. Now I just have the $12 old-skool Casio in defiance of the social crap. I even modded it with a nice e-bay leather strap.

  • avatar
    KIM1963

    Ughhhh i knew that comment (even if she is totally hot ) would come back to bite me in the ass :(

    Ok guys point taken . I get it . You don’t care how crappy the car is or how badly it smells if your ” getting some ” .

  • avatar
    jacksonbart

    This why I always take the bus on my dates.

  • avatar
    european

    i dont know if anyone else noticed, but this booth person’s
    modus operandi is as follows:

    -writes about her own shallow and materialistic world views,
    just so she IS heard, not that anyone asked her for an opinion, but … anyhow….

    -she knows most guys on here aint stupid, so she…

    -wraps that view with silly, dare i even say,
    plain stupid pretextes (what i allude to is those
    “but i meant this ‘n that” parts)

    here the concrete example:
    -all this article is communicating is “ALL I CARE ABOUT IS MONEY”
    -she knows she’s going to be ripped apart in the comments, so she
    -tones it down with “but i didnt mean you gotta be rich, just have a nice clean car BLABLABLA”

  • avatar
    european

    heres some life advice booth person:

    the car doesnt matter. the paycheck doesnt matter. all that matters
    is the personality of that person. is he/she good or bad? do you love each other. can you live with each other. will you be there for each other, in times of need.

    the cars dont matter as well. all thats important are the moments spent in a car. not the car. the fun times. the bad times. the snowy roads. the times besides the roads. the times when there were so many of you trying to squeeze into a geo prizm, that you looked like sardines…

    • 0 avatar
      european

      see now, if we had a minivan, we would have been
      alot more comfortable, wouldnt we?

      but, uh nooo, being young and havin’ a minivan isnt socially
      acceptable in shallowmans world. no no!!! “ITS HIS MOMS VAN I TELL YOU. HE’S A NO GOOD DEADBEAT. AND HE SMELLS… ”

      maybe, just maybe booth person, it’s your own odor (read: BS mentality) you’re smelling?

    • 0 avatar
      AlmostThere

      So true, so true.

  • avatar
    schwerglas

    wow , based on all these comments , I can almost see who is and who isnt getting dates …

  • avatar
    AaronH

    If I was a woman, I would not want some emotion-driven juvenile bratty slob loser for a husband…..

  • avatar
    european

    hey sweetz, i just posted a comment at your blog,
    lets see if you’ll block it.

    btw, i know whats been pissing me off. its that you’re generalizing
    things. yea, YOU wouldnt want to date someone with a stinky, unclean POS car. thats ok. some other girl would. you get me?

    maybe if you alter your writing style to a more personal than universal one, i’d OK it.

    but then again, why would anyone care what you got to say?

    you’re no hilton heiress..

    sorry darling :-(

  • avatar
    brandloyalty

    “You cannot possibly expect a possible love match to get into a filthy vehicle that hasn’t seen a car wash since the previous administration, whose interior reeks of beer and cigarettes, and whose seats are sticky and stained with God knows what bodily fluids. Actually, we probably know what those bodily fluids are not, because there’s no way you’re getting laid in that thing.”

    If we take it as given that one’s car is some sort of summary of one’s style and station in life, the fact there continue to be people who keep their cars (and lives) in a mess, is proof that enough women choose to breed with such men that the genes continue to get passed on. The blame is shared equally. The same as women choosing to mate with abusive men, and then complaining that men are abusive. Because it is a dysfunctional analysis, blaming all this crap exclusively on men, when women are equally to blame, keeps us from moving forward.

    What about people who have two or more, very different cars? Should they pick up their date in the highway suv, or the city runabout?

    The fact we both rode bicycles to work was a major initiating factor in the relationship between my wife and I. Our cars didn’t play much of a role.

  • avatar
    DearS

    Having a big ego myself I can understand how it can get in the way of awesome people. Girls are not perfect, they have a lot of issues. I can relate to getting anxious over superficial stuff and buying into it. Still I rather driven an old square E34 BMW than a most newer cars I can afford. I have a good deal of confidence and substance. I understand my car won’t fly with some girls, so I try to give girls a reason to look past the car and see me. I’m willing to make compromises, I do sometimes go out in a newer (borrowed) car. Its ok to fall in love with a misguided chick.

  • avatar
    George B

    I figure that I’ve already closed the deal before she sees my car. Already survived first impressions and a first date where we take separate cars.

    The advice about a clean car is probably sound. I also found that most women wouldn’t ride in my 1971 Chevrolet Chevelle with either surface rust or later upgraded to primer. It appears that bad paint equals old and unsafe in their mind. The half finished hobby car does NOT impress.

    I’d like to see the VH1 Undateable #35 Owns a Van corrected to add “unless he’s a musician in a rock band”. I present the Mutemath Spotlight video as evidence that rock musician easily trumps van, bad clothes, and poor grooming.

    http://blog.vh1.com/2010-05-14/undateables-things-that-guys-do-the-entire-countdown/

    • 0 avatar
      KIM1963

      I think a classic 71 Chevelle in the making really doesn’t compare to a falling apart rusted heap that’s dirty and smells bad despite what some women may have told you :)

      When i met my now husband he was driving a 67 Chevelle SS with a big block . It would literally suck you to the seat at scary fast speeds . Very powerful car .

      I checked out your 2 links . The Mutemath vid gives new meaning to the van .

      I was reading the 100 undateable things guys do , didn’t know there were so many . I seen owning a van was #35 and having a dirty car was #81 .

    • 0 avatar
      Flipper35

      One night after playing softball our group was walking out to the parking lot when my friend said I should take one of the girls in the group for a ride in the car I had at the game. So I did. A few weeks later I let her drive it on what was sort of a first date. Getting out she burned her leg bad enough to blister. We have been married 10 years now. The car was in full black primer, loud, has no outside door handles, no top, windy and on a hot day you will get a light wiff of gas. She even drives it herself and with our 8 year old who also loves it.

  • avatar
    psmisc

    If I cash out one day, I’ll probably drive a second hand Subaru or Volvo wagon. I don’t mind spending money on the house, but late-model expensive cars tend to rub some girls the wrong way. I seem to vibe better with artsy or bookish chicks.

    I’d have a separate “fun car”. A modestly-tuned Mk I Golf GTI or old Mini that I can torture in autocross would please me very much.

  • avatar
    Facebook User

    I took a date in the STi (cleaned/washed) on our first date, and the thing she liked most was the license plate that said “hunk” in Portuguese. She thought it was hilarious. She was Brazillian.

    We passed 4 years of marriage in June.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    I don’t quite see why people find this article problematic. I mean, it’s stating the obvious, but I don’t see the reason for being resentful.

    I mean, other than some people really don’t like being told what to do and get very passive-aggressive when someone does. They’ll probably rant about “freedom” at the drop of a hat. Probably not relationship material, anyways.

    If you pick up your date in a filthy car, you probably won’t get very far. If you pick up your date in a minivan with child seats in the back and you’d better be recently widowed or divorced, and even then special rules apply. If you pick up your date in a car wholly inappropriate or mis-representative for your station in life, be prepared to be under a cloud of suspicion.

    Welcome to sexual politics as it’s been played for the last twenty-five thousand years. If this shocks or annoys you, well, perhaps you should seek therapy for control issues.

    • 0 avatar
      dastanley

      “I don’t quite see why people find this article problematic. I mean, it’s stating the obvious, but I don’t see the reason for being resentful.”

      I’m not speaking for anyone but myself, but it’s Booth Babe’s disrespectful attitude that annoys me, not necessarily the content. She comes across like she’s arrogantly talking down to everyone, as if TTAC readers and the general public are nothing more than filthy children deserving of lectures in basic grooming and behavior. She complains about everything and nothing, as if it’s the public’s job to change in order to meet her arbitrary approval for the moment. She calls herself Booth Babe, apparently dresses the part while on public display, and then gets pissed when men treat her like a sex object – duh. If she dislikes working with people she can always quit – just like I can quit reading her articles. End of rant.

  • avatar
    mcs

    A man’s shoes and/or watch always give him away. We can tell in an instant if you’re really a baller or if you’re a $30,000 “millionaire” that rented a car for the night to try to score some chicks.

    Ha! That is so wrong! I knew Bill Gates back in his single days and he used to wear these really crappy Sperry Topsiders. Don’t remember what he was wearing for a watch.

    I know another guy that used to buy Rolex watches and Armani suits used off of ebay. He was into expensive shoes and drove a Jaguar X-Type with pride. He spent his way into bankruptcy and now he drives a cab.

    Using your rules, you would have passed over Bill Gates for the future cab driver. Lots of really successful guys bypass the frills and avoid credit on their way to building their fortune. They tough it out with Casio watches and drive used cars they pay for with cash. It doesn’t mean they’re going to be that way all of their life. Just while they’re building their business.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      Lots of really successful guys bypass the frills and avoid credit on their way to building their fortune

      My friend’s father is a multi, multi-millionaire who wears worn-out shoes and drives a (clapped out, filthy) 1986 Pontiac Bonneville. Were I a heterosexual female, I’d avoid him like the plague, millions or not.

      I think people are missing Booth Babe’s point: the problem isn’t superficial representations of status, it’s incongruous display. If you’re poor but spend above your means, that’s not a good sign. Neither is being rich but psychotically frugal.

    • 0 avatar
      european

      @mcs +100

      @psarhjinian
      successfull men draw their confidence from what they’ve done (e.g. building the no1 software comp) not some watch or clothing. if you care about material stuff, that only means you need those material things to make you confident. which means you got nothing else, means you’re just a unsuccsessful wanna-be show-off.

      btw, you being a “psychotically frugal” gaynadian f*ggot that you are (or lets have a ttac special, lets call you lot *sfdennises* alright?), that didnt yet come out of the closet, giving advice to straight men, is just so wrong, sooo wrong

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      successfull men draw their confidence from what they’ve done (e.g. building the no1 software comp) not some watch or clothing. if you care about material stuff, that only means you need those material things to make you confident.

      No, it means that, to function as a normal member of society, you’re expected to more or less act in a certain way. You can cite Bill Gates if you want, but even he had to, oh, I don’t know, wear a suit and tie and not drive a pile of crap when he was off hobnobbing with John Akers of IBM or who-have-you.

      I’ve seen Gates talk several times. He’s not some unkempt, Asperger-afflicted computer nerd. Not by a longshot.

      Acting dramatically counter to social norms isn’t often, or even usually, being “rugged and independent”, it’s being weird and generally evidence of some kind of mental disorder. If you’re worth fifty million dollars and drive a rusted-out Bonneville and live on a dead-end street, that’s not psychologically healthy; it’s evidence of either Aspergers/Autism-spectrum, just as much as spending 150% of your earnings is evidence of a serious lack of control.

      Back to Booth Babe’s point: women, or at least well-adjusted women, are not going to want to be in a rational relationship with someone who spends well above his/her means, or is frugal and unaware of social norms. I’m sorry if this bothers you, but it’s like taking regular baths, brushing your teeth and being in decent shape.

      I think you’re having trouble dealing with degrees. The article doesn’t say “you have to drive a nice car to get a woman”, it’s saying “if you car is filthy, or grossly wrong for your projected image, women will be put off”. Again, I’m troubled that people are annoyed or resentful of this; I think it speaks of control issues.

    • 0 avatar
      ajla

      @psarhjinian:

      Out of all the Bonnevilles that GM created, your father had to choose the worst generation ever? And he still owns it?

    • 0 avatar
      shortthrowsixspeed

      +1 to Psarhjinian for showing the self-control of not responding to european’s ad hominem attacks. well played.

  • avatar
    Strippo

    This was a humor piece. +1 to The Booth Babe (whoever he is) for yanking so many chains.

  • avatar
    troyohchatter

    Oh, I hate to break your heart, but I am not married and I wasn’t driving my mom’s car. One of the cars in my history was a Subaru station wagon. I had sport wheels on it and it looked pretty sweet. I took one of the hottest girls I ever met out in that car. Later in life, I had a 1989 S-10 that I absolutely hated. A buddy of mine, who did car service, ended up with a 1985 Toyota Van. These were the odd ones with the front tires under the front seats and the engine in between the seats. My feet literally sat on the front bumper. It had a 5 speed manual, front and rear air, and a wheelbase shorter than a Corolla. I traded him the truck for the van and loved it, but it was a mini van. I can’t help it that I am a sucker for a dorky car.

    Oh, and the only date I ever used the van for? My current wife of 10 years.

  • avatar
    panzerfaust

    That video makes me want to drive a bus.

  • avatar
    msquare

    I certainly agree with the comment that cars don’t mean much in NYC because so many locals don’t own them.

    I generally drive what I like, make a point of cleaning it before taking anyone out, and the biggest problems I ever encountered were rare homophobic catcalls from asshole guys when I had my Miata. Some loser went so far as to put the word “FAG” on the trunklid in bumper stickers. I’m not gay, by the way, but I’ve definitely become more sympathetic to their plight.

    I go for older used cars with relatively low mileage because I drive a lot and buying new would just kill a car’s resale value. That philosophy has put me in two Mk I MR2’s, a Ford Contour V6, a Miata and currently an E36 BMW 328is.

    I consider myself very knowledgeable about cars like many people here, know exactly what I like and need and if the ladies like it too, fine. But just as I don’t tell them how to dress, they don’t tell me what to drive.

  • avatar
    Chicago Dude

    Wow, I hope TTAC is sharing the extra ad revenue with the Booth Babe. This is like an Apple story on Slashdot.

    I’d love to see a web hit chart for TTAC broken down by author. Editors?

  • avatar
    Signal11

    Has TTAC considered adding a few minute’s delay for subscribed email notifications to allow for comment editing?

  • avatar
    Andy D

    Yeah, this whole thread is outside my ken. I haven’t worn rings or watches for ages. Both can be dangerous in certain job environments. Been married 37 yrs and drive 3 ratty 22 yr old cars. I have no neighbors to impress either. Shabby chic is my credo.

  • avatar
    njdave

    I have to agree with many of the observations on this thread some that agree with Booth Babe, and some that don’t. I met my wife while I was unemployed. I had very little status but she didn’t care she had faith in me and hung in there. It probably helped that this was right after 9/11 and lots of people in this area were laid off. I went shopping for the engagement ring on a Saturday. Saturdays I don’t shave and I was wearing jeans and a t shirt. I went to a jewelry exchange and the first jeweler I went to barely spoke to me and threw a crappy diamond with many inclusions at me like he didn’t think I would know any better. You should have seen his face when I went to the next booth and dropped serious money on a beautiful ring the nice gentleman there showed me. A salesman can’t afford to judge prospective customers by how they like to dress when they are not working.

  • avatar
    Joe_Gamer

    Summary:
    Women are genetically predisposed toward materialism, if you want to score, buy nice watches, shoes, and cars to fit the “station in life” she deems appropriate.

  • avatar
    Joe_Gamer

    “It is representative of your station in life”

    This right here aggravates the hell out of me, why couldn’t it be representative of what best fits you’re needs, or what best fits your passions, or the car you and your father built together, or the rental you’re driving while your car is in the shop, or the commuter you use when it’s too rainy for the chopper?

    This statement makes a direct connection between a man’s car and his income, that smells like gold digger to me.

    I understand that this is the way things are(and not just for women), but we should at least strive for something better, why should we let stereotypes about automobiles and assumptions about income be the wall between people? If I wrote a rebuttal and titled it “How Your Flabby Ass Will Ruin Your Sex Life” many people would be offended, but it would be no less shallow.

  • avatar
    phantomwolf

    I know I am chiming in quite late, but, I drive a well kept, slight modified, well known(long story) 93 Cadillac Deville, that has done a well job of attracting divorced women to me. I am still trying to wrap my head around that.

  • avatar

    Back when I was in my 20s, a lot of cool guys drove minivans. In those days, the only minivan was the VW microbus.

    My father, the head of the econ dept at a major university, drove crap cars much of his life. That just wasn’t where he wanted to put his money.

    As a single guy, I’d have a problem with a woman who wasn’t interested in cars as cars, but had a BMW or a Merc for status. I’d rather date a woman with a Corolla. On the other hand, a woman who had a BMW with a stick because she loved driving would be an entirely different matter.


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