New Or Used: Eastern Oregon Survival Machine Edition

Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang
by Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang

Mark Clark writes:

I’d like to ask for advice about buying a winter car. I’m replacing a 1967 Land Rover that my wife has decided is no longer acceptable. She tolerates my other car habits, so replacing her is not an acceptable option. My requirements are: 1) All Wheel Drive: Here in the wilds of Eastern Oregon where the local government does not plow the roads, two driven wheels is what summer cars are for. Don’t worry, it will get snow tires. 2) Car-like Handling: As a summer Miata driver, big SUVs are not acceptable. On the other hand, as a summer Miata driver, Elise-like handling is not required. 3) Year 2000 or newer: When your wife is height-challenged, full-powered airbags are not acceptable. Older cars without airbags are even less acceptable. 4) Cheap: Under $10,000 makes me a hero. 5) Reasonably Reliable: After a 1967 Land Rover, I’m not asking for much, but I’m not interested in wrenching in a snow storm.

Steve Answers:

The fashionable thing to do in your neck of the woods is get a Subaru. The Legacy, Impreza and Forester can easily take care of all your AWD needs in far greater comfort than your British brute. In fact so can my kid’s soapbox derby car. But seriously, I would strongly consider those models.

What else? Well I happen to be a fan of the Mitsubishi Endeavor. They can usually be had for thousands less than the Subarus in the used car market which means you can get a more recent vehicle with lower miles on it to boot. The reviews from actual owners have been strong and I’ve seen them rack up well over 200k in short order at the auctions with little discernible wear. I would cross shop that model in particular.

What to avoid? I’m a Volvo enthusiast but I have trouble endorsing the V70’s. Most folks do not change the transmission fluids because they were supposed to last for a lifetime. They didn’t, and now to replace the transmissions is a $2000+ undertaking. Quality and recalls were both on a steep and expensive decline throughout much of the 2000’s so that doesn’t help.

There are innumerable small SUV’s to choose from. But other than the Honda CR-V which handles like a minivan, none of them are truly car like. I would stick with the Mitsubishi and Subarus. Due to your height challenged wife who probably appreciates a little ride height in her journeys, I would think a crossover styled vehicle would be the best fit.

Sajeev Answers:

You are the first person I’ve met who actually needs a Crossover! If you have other car “habits” I’d recommend making this vehicle so “bread and butter” that finding a cheap one is easy (the Internet is your friend) and parts/service will be affordable and simple. And since simple and Subie don’t go hand in hand, think Ford Escape, Toyota RAV4 and a blizzard of quickly depreciating iron from General Motors: Chevy Equinox, Saturn Vue, Pontiac Vibe/Torrent and even the Buick Rendezvous. Or perhaps the Buick’s cousin, the Pontiac Aztek?

Oh yes! The Aztek is an outdoorsy lifestyle type of vehicle that’s only marred by its mind numbingly hideous styling. The more I think about it, who gives a crap about winter beater styling? The Aztek hits all the right spots: dirt cheap ownership, AWD, car like underpinnings, user-friendly interior design features for cargo and passengers and a pretty trick camping tent for when you want to out Landie a Land Rover on the camp ground. And I suspect that Aztek’s go for significantly less on the used car market, simply because of that ugly sheetmetal. And plastic.

While 80% of me rejects the notion of a Pontiac Aztek working for anyone, 20% of me is cool with it. And they are in charge of typing on this keyboard. So there it is: buy a Pontiac Aztek to cover all the bases.

Need help with a car buying conundrum? Email your particulars to mehta@ttac.com, and let TTAC’s collective wisdom make the decision easier… or possibly much, much harder.

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  • Dcdriver Dcdriver on Jun 02, 2010

    I'd reccommend an Isuzu Rodeo. I had a 1998 model that was unstoppable in snow. I believe they made them until 2004. Another suggestion is a Suzuki Grand Vitara.

  • Scantyman Scantyman on Jun 02, 2010

    Might be a bit of a budget stretch for you, but I suggest an early Infiniti FX35. It's on the Nissan FM platform (350Z, G sedan and coupe), AWD with ATTESA, the 3.5L VQ engine is solid. No better handling crossover out there, and 270HP will get you going. I had an '06 and it was a beast in the snow. With modern safety features and heated seats, you will really be a hero. The only negative that I found was the resonant exhaust note. It can be a bit much.

  • ToolGuy First picture: I realize that opinions vary on the height of modern trucks, but that entry door on the building is 80 inches tall and hits just below the headlights. Does anyone really believe this is reasonable?Second picture: I do not believe that is a good parking spot to be able to access the bed storage. More specifically, how do you plan to unload topsoil with the truck parked like that? Maybe you kids are taller than me.
  • ToolGuy The other day I attempted to check the engine oil in one of my old embarrassing vehicles and I guess the red shop towel I used wasn't genuine Snap-on (lots of counterfeits floating around) plus my driveway isn't completely level and long story short, the engine seized 3 minutes later.No more used cars for me, and nothing but dealer service from here on in (the journalists were right).
  • Doughboy Wow, Merc knocks it out of the park with their naming convention… again. /s
  • Doughboy I’ve seen car bras before, but never car beards. ZZ Top would be proud.
  • Bkojote Allright, actual person who knows trucks here, the article gets it a bit wrong.First off, the Maverick is not at all comparable to a Tacoma just because they're both Hybrids. Or lemme be blunt, the butch-est non-hybrid Maverick Tremor is suitable for 2/10 difficulty trails, a Trailhunter is for about 5/10 or maybe 6/10, just about the upper end of any stock vehicle you're buying from the factory. Aside from a Sasquatch Bronco or Rubicon Jeep Wrangler you're looking at something you're towing back if you want more capability (or perhaps something you /wish/ you were towing back.)Now, where the real world difference should play out is on the trail, where a lot of low speed crawling usually saps efficiency, especially when loaded to the gills. Real world MPG from a 4Runner is about 12-13mpg, So if this loaded-with-overlander-catalog Trailhunter is still pulling in the 20's - or even 18-19, that's a massive improvement.
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