By on June 24, 2010

The Wall Street Journal [sub] asked several Chrysler dealers about the newest hotness being developed in Auburn Hills, and came away with the tales of a “man van” that Chrysler hopes will lend the Dodge Caravan some masculine swagger. According to the WSJ, this re-man-ification of the minivan includes:

a slightly sportier look on the outside, possibly finished off with a black-and-gray interior trimmed with hot-colored stitching on the seats and steering wheel

Oh yes, and some “edgy” ads laden with tired cliches of sexual politics. In short, they’re sending the 2008 “Caravan R/T” concept into production. But why?

According to one Dodge dealer:

A man van won’t generate huge sales, but it’s one of those vehicles that gets people talking and heads turning. We need that now. I mean if it gets one guy to give the minivan a second look, its worth it.

Which, of course, is very similar to what Chrysler’s boffins said about the Jeep Wrangler Islander edition. But at least expectations are being well-managed. The anonymous Dodge dealer continues

In the end these vehicles bump sales. Let’s say you are ordering five minivans. You may choose just for fun to throw in a couple man vans. That’s two more vehicles that Chrysler just sold.

Two hypothetical incremental sales per dealer! And all it takes is alienating the half of the population that actually buys minivans. Brilliant!

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65 Comments on “Dodge’s Second To Last Stand: The “Man Van”...”


  • avatar

    For years now I’ve held the belief that minivans piloted by men comprise the single most aggressive class of vehicle on the road.

    I blame it on the anger those boys must feel every second they spend at the helm of their castratomobiles.

    I wonder if a “man van” will allay that anger or will it somehow make it worse?

    • 0 avatar
      ALB-MAN

      I drive a 2000 honda odyssey to school and I have never felt angry when I park next to the rich kids with the bmw’s and lifted 150′s. Im proud to drive a van because the odyssey is the most kick ass van built. Men that are angry driving a van obviously have insecurities and need a “man” vehicle (i.e. a lifted 150 that probably costs in total of over 60 grand) to feel better. I love my odyssey and its vtec punch and im not afraid to race it one on one with some douchebag broski in a v6 mustang or some other sports car.

    • 0 avatar
      porschespeed

      The most psychotic whackjob hyperagressive get-outta-my-way crap I have ever witnessed in over a million miles has been perpetrated by upper-middle class mommy-units, cutting everybody off with a cell in one hand, Starbucks in the other.

      Streetracers are more cautious.

      Somehow though, they do find a finger to flip you off if you have the temerity to honk after they almost hit you.

      Bonus points: Go sit in a school zone for ten minutes. Invariably the people driving 20 over and not paying attention are the same minivan driving snots who are always trying to legislate that we be careful not to hurt their kids. Hilarious, in a sick sort of way.

    • 0 avatar
      superbadd75

      My dad used to love his Aerostar vans back in the day. He could pull all the seats out and carry more stuff than your average pickup, and have it all covered to boot.

    • 0 avatar
      jckirlan

      “castratomobiles” had to sound it out phonetically but was worth it.

    • 0 avatar
      MRL325i

      You’ve got to be kidding.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    Reminds me of the A-team van. Product tie in???

  • avatar

    @ The Commedian – I have never felt emascualted driving a minivan. Of course I am secure in my manhood and don’t need a particular type of vehicle to prove I’m a man. I have noticed that a large percentage of trucks on stilts are driven by men of below average stature. I wonder if they might be compensating for something?

    @ Jkross – Honda has already done the A-Team tie-in.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myzwHDf3NhY

    • 0 avatar
      Motorhead10

      I’m with Joe on this one. My wife likes the utility of a minivan and doesn’t have image insecurities that require me to buy her an Escalade for no good reason (but I would if that’s what she wanted). I drive the minivan without regret or insecurity. If anything I can pull some cars out of my collection that might be compensating for something (or the lack of something). Ask Dr. Phil. I can’t tell. I just love cars (minivans included) and don’t concern myself with what message “society” decides to interpret.

    • 0 avatar
      jaje

      You’d be amazed the # of people who simply buy pickups or SUVs just for the image of being able to off-road or need something heavy duty. Then they never ever hauled anything heavy duty in it besides a couple bicycles or a bench from Home Depot.

  • avatar
    Alexdi

    Seems like an untapped market in the context of joint purchasing decisions. One spouse wants a van, the other wants a vehicle that isn’t totally androgynous. This is a fair compromise.

  • avatar
    Mark MacInnis

    I drove a minivan for years….liked it, would have bought another one, but my wife doesn’t like them (I had this before we were married…2nd marriage.)

    That said, a faux plastic applique hood scoop on a minivan? Wow, really?

    Precisely which demographic would be THAT targeted at?

  • avatar
    Mr Carpenter

    Likewise, while I’ve never owned a van, I’ve never felt emasculated while driving my parents’ Mercury Villager (they’re very elderly and drive very little, so it’s probably their last vehicle needed this side of the Cadillac coach, if you catch my drift).

    Laughingly, my wife, a nurse quite familiar with seeing more than most women ever could consider right and proper, absolutely verbally decimates men who drive “compensator-mobiles”. At least, in the privacy of our car she does – she’s polite to them in person, of course.

    She says “oh there goes another guy with a BIG engine. Big engine, little willy.”

    Normally, this is directed at men who feel as if they have to have loud pipes, loud paint, jacked up trucks, or drive like sub-moronic imbeciles / have to pass everything in sight just because they “have to”.

    So I’m quite secure in my masculinity, too, I’d say.

    However, I would not drive a Chrysler product (or GM) even if it were given to me. I’d sell it.

  • avatar
    carguy

    That is the saddest thing I’ve seen all day and a massive insult to men with children whose masculinity is made out to hinge on a few bolt on after market parts on a minivan. The “Man Van” (much like the Man Show) is treading water in an ocean of retarded male sexuality (to borrow a Spinal Tap phrase).

    Isn’t the ultimate proof of your virility that you have so much offspring that you need a minivan in the first place? I say wear it like a badge of honor.

    • 0 avatar

      “Isn’t the ultimate proof of your virility that you have so much offspring that you need a minivan in the first place? I say wear it like a badge of honor.”

      As a soon to be father of four, I say Amen. Also, the best thing I ever did for my minivan was put a second third row seat in the middle row. That is the perfect arrangement for 3-4 carseats. The rear-facing one goes in the center of the middle row and the forward-facing ones go in the 3rd row. I have cut our load/unload time in half.

      I would still appreciate a minivan that drives like a sports car. Why not? I don’t have the kids in there all the time. Why can’t my daily driver/family hauler/grocery getter also be as fun to drive as a toy? I think Dodge is on to something, but I want it to look mean without the gimmicks.

  • avatar
    WaftableTorque

    7 seat man-vans do exist, except they’re called things like Escalade, LX570, Q7, Enclave, Navigator.

    I think there’s always been a market for a sportier minivan (oxymoron?), but only if they ever figure out a way of fitting a Viper V10 into the engine bay.

  • avatar
    SVX pearlie

    Hey, if the “Man Van” were like the Renault Espace F1 with an 800-hp Williams V10 driving the rears through a sequential trans, I think it’d be OK.

    Just shoehorn a Viper driveline into the Caravan, and it’ll sell just fine!

    • 0 avatar
      Slow_Joe_Crow

      +1, but on a more realistic scale, I would love to see Mazda build a Mazdaspeed 5, since it is currently the best handling vehicle with 2 sliding doors and turbo with direct injection would make it the quickest as well.

  • avatar
    geozinger

    I’ll play devil’s advocate here. I think I would like a Man Van (I hope that really isn’t the name, tho), something a little more butch than the average refrigerator on wheels.

    I’ve seen a few people take a swing at making they’re own Man Van, and some are good and some are pretty bad. At least with a factory version, there would be some semblence of coherence, in regards to design continuity.

    Besides, Man Van > Swagger Van, any day. ;^)

  • avatar
    Boff

    I see an awful lot of women driving Wranglers and SUV’s…who is to say that a more butch minivan wouldn’t appeal to women as well? Of course you wouldn’t consider that in the midst of yet another reflexive swipe at all things GM/Chrysler.

  • avatar

    No matter what anybody thinks Minivans are very pratical for hauling people and stuff around. Now a “Man Van” is just stupid marketing bs.

  • avatar
    Caffiend

    They could drop in an SRT8, and there’d be worse things on the road.

  • avatar
    ott

    It looks like a Van-O-Lantern.

  • avatar
    Sinistermisterman

    Hey I don’t think the ‘Man-Vab’ is such a bad idea, but only if they ‘Man-Up’ the engine too – ie, strap on a turbocharger or something like that. There would be nothing better for confusing the wife. Imagine the surprise on her face;
    “Dear, I think we should get a minivan for our next new vehicle.”
    “Why that’s the most sensible suggestion I’ve ever heard you make regarding a new car.”
    Anyway, fast minivans are nothing new…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Gdm_e_hxs&NR=1

  • avatar
    conswirloo

    If it weren’t just an appearance package . . .

    Turbocharge it, quality pleather seats, rubberized flooring for hose-out-ability, give the exhaust a bit of a growl, black it out, transmission cooler and hitch/tow package, decent gauge cluster. Maybe that might make sense, but that’d probably make it more expensive than anyone would want to buy.

  • avatar
    educatordan

    How bout forced induction from the hood scoop! Woooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But seriously I showed this to my lady who wants to have a large family but hates mini-vans. (She associates them with fat, sweaty, women who can’t control their children. Honestly I think they’re the most practical solution for anyone with 3+ kids.) She looked at the “man van” and had a WTF kind of momement. Still won’t stop her from desiring either an Enclave or a Suburban.

    • 0 avatar
      stuart

      When we were expecting child #4, our primary car was a 5-seat sedan (a Peugeot 505, of all things :-). We abhorred minivans as… well, I don’t recall exactly why, but we didn’t want one. So we looked at bigger things. Here in the Silicon Valley, the Suburban was very popular, but about 97% of the local used Suburbans were fitted with four-wheel drive, and I was absolutely opposed to the complexity, mileage penalty, and potential repair liabilities of that.

      We eventually bought a commuter van. It’s a Ford E-350 with four bench seats, fitted with fifteen seat belts. (Think of it as “two minivans.” Yes, I’ve been asked many times if we were planning more children… :-)

      We’ve driven it everywhere, and we quickly discovered that parking such a large vehicle is challenging. (E.g. on a day-trip to San Francisco.) Our van is 7.5 feet high, and almost 20 feet long; larger than the infamous Ford Excursion.

      Years later, worn down by inconvenience, we bought an Odyssey. It seems cramped with the entire family inside, but everybody fits, and you can park it. And it out-accelerates, out-handles, and out-brakes the Ford by a large margin.

      Our Ford is now geriatric, but it is still our preferred vehicle for vacations, as each child has a bench seat to his/her self. It’s a second-class vehicle at airports, as it is large enough to conceal a fertilizer bomb, and thus it is not allowed to park in the good&close parking lots. (And it it too tall for most parking structures.)

      FWIW, while I always appreciated the high seating and view (it is much taller than most cars), I never felt particularly “manly” while driving our commuter van. I rather doubt my wife did either. On reflection, the Odyssey is a much more masculine vehicle, if you want to drive aggressively. Maybe the Ford needs flame decals and a huge spoiler on the back. :-)

  • avatar
    Jerryoo

    All I want to say about the man/van subject is Hey if it sells some vans great! and I like the idea. All those supper Dads out there givin the moms a run for their soccer money. Also I am very impressed with the inteliegent level of the comments from guy readers! there seems to be a lot of really smart” with it” guys that read this blog!….. oh…ahem!……aslo very impressive vocabularys! nice work guys! As you can see by my spelling I’m way outa my league around here.

  • avatar
    dcdriver

    Why not a minivan pickup– three rows of seats PLUS a small bed in the back. RW/4WD.

  • avatar
    dcdriver

    For all the bashing that men get for being too image conscious regarding vehicles (overcompensating, poser, big engine small willy etc.)– women are perhaps even worse. My sister in law has three kids and a dog and she chose as her daily driver/people hauler an XC90, which carries less cargo and people, is much more expensive, and worse on gas than a minivan. Whenever they go anywhere with kids and cargo, she’s always complaining that she can’t fit all their stuff in the XC90. “No I can’t bring you those boxes of hand-me-downs b/c I don’t have enough room” But she does look cool driving that good-looking XC90.

  • avatar
    iNeon

    I thought branding was important to the TTAC crowd? What says “Dodge” more than a hot minivan?

    This thing has almost been built in every iteration of Chrysler’s mini, and I’m very happy they’re finally going to produce it!

    The Caravan is due for a refresh, the Pentastar engines and new transmissions will be along for the ride– Does NO ONE but me see this van as a potential grand slam?!?! With what Honda and Toyota have done to their minis– this will bring a tremendous boost to Chrysler’s portfolio and cachet.

    Bring it!

  • avatar
    FleetofWheel

    Nearly all minivans used for commercial purposes are driven by men.
    All those plumbing, electrical and telecommunications vehicles are the same as civilian minivans but for the lettering and graphics of the business logo.
    These minivans do not seem to be tagged with the effeminate image of family owned minivans.

    So maybe it’s just a matter of Ford/Chevy/GM/Chrysler offering Eddie Bauer, Field and Stream, Snap-On, etc. type appearance packages.

    • 0 avatar
      silverkris

      You’re right about minivans being used for commercial purposes – I’ve even seen the Postal Service using them.

      Anybody remember the Honda Element? The marketing people pitched it to younger drivers with “an active lifestyle” – its heavy-duty rubber matted cargo room supposedly would be good for bicycles, surfboards. The Element actually got a lot of sales from tradesmen such as plumbers and electricians who loved the spacious cargo room, yet wasn’t as big in terms of exterior dimensions (making it easier to park in tight residential streets).

  • avatar
    Autojunkie

    If they could make it handle (better than my Mom’s T&C)and not make it feel like an elephant on rollerskates.
    If thay could ad the new dual-clutch behind the Pentastar V6 with paddle shifting behind the steering wheel.
    I would buy a minivan…

    People hate minivans for the wrong reasons. They feel they have to. They feel they make them conform to someone they say they are not. For me it’s not about what the minivan “conveys”. I could care less about what people think of me.

    It’s like the line in the Cadillac commercial that suits me best. “When you turn your car on does it return the favor?”. A car has to have some level of excitement to it for me to enjoy it.

    If Chrysler (Dodge) does this right, they may have just sold that “one van” to me.

  • avatar
    jpcavanaugh

    Let me get this straight – the guys at Dodge leak a future option package on a vehicle that has been around for years and they manage a Wall Street Journal article and countless blog threads. It looks to me like we have some guys doing marketing like a real car company here.

    Aren’t we car nuts supposed to LIKE variety? If Dodge is going to give us a minivan with some swagger, and that is a bit different from anything else out there, then how is this a bad thing? I happen to like vans of all sizes, and am a recent convert to fandom of Chrysler minivans in particular. I think that there is room for choices beyond sand or silver. So let’s bring on the ManVan. But please lets call it the Heat package or something like that. Why risk running off the women who may like the look too. Let’s not do a reverse Dodge LaFemme (a pink trim package in 1955-56 that was not very popular). Make it fun and cool and let everybody in.

  • avatar
    carve

    It looks pretty good for a minivan- particularly a Chrysler.

    I don’t get all the mini-van hate. Have the bashers ever road-tripped in one? I rented a Sienna for a road trip to Yellowstone a couple years back, and they’re the ulitimate road-trip mobile.

    Tons of room for all your camping gear, bikes, luggage, electronics etc. kept in the security of enclosed, dark-tinted windows. Practically anynmous to cops, allowing higher practical sustained speeds than flashy sports cars, comfy ride, and it was surprisingly powerful, while pulling down 27mpg! With only two people they’re great to sleep in, too! Suburban storage space with bigger doors and sedan mpg. What’s not to like.

    I think they should do more of an Outback/Element treatment. A hose-out interior, few inches of lift, AWD, clever storage and reconfiguration options, etc. Maybe a slide-in camper package would be cool, too (like those “wicked vans” in Aus/NZ) with fold-up side beds, sink, drawers, small stove, etc.

    A sport model, like what the man-van above pretends to be, would be nice, too. Low, turbo, tight suspension…maybe some weight distribution fixes like rear mounted batteries, lighter engine, etc. That’d have very limitied appeal though.

  • avatar
    Tosh

    “In the end these vehicles bump sales. Let’s say you are ordering five minivans. You may choose just for fun to throw in a couple man vans. That’s two more vehicles that Chrysler just sold.”

    I’m really struggling with this scenario: So I end up ordering SEVEN vans, TWO just for fun? It’s going to be FUN explaining that to my accounting dept.

  • avatar
    shiney2

    The problem here is not the excellent idea of a more sporty or “macho” minivan, but the idiotic idea that they need to use faux edgy semi-misogynistic ads to promote it. I know more woman than men that hate the breeder focus that current minivans seem designed around – and they don’t want to drive them because they don’t want to be associated with the self absorbed “cool mom” culture that has developed (SUV driving soccer moms are soooo 2004).

    I use a full size window van for work/play, but since I rarely tow, a modern minivan might well fit my needs better. However I never see them without endless options and aesthetic choices designed to please the family that I don’t have or particularly want. The Caravan R/T has real potential – although I hope the hood scoop has some function.

  • avatar
    shiney2

    BTW – carve, I like your idea of a more Element like treatment!

  • avatar
    ajla

    I like the idea of a “ManVan” okay, but I don’t think going the sporty route is the way to go.

    Instead, I’d make a Jeep minivan. Redo the front fascia, give it the offroad ability of at least a FDII Patriot, and a 5000lb towing capacity.

  • avatar
    Domestic Hearse

    It’s not a purse, arright! It’s a carryall!

    No dude. It’s a purse. And while we’re at it, about your manvan….

  • avatar

    The Man Van has merit, and it might draw a few more dollars out of buyers simply because the SRT-like styling is pretty cool looking. Definitely looks cooler than your average CUV.

    Promote it right, and it’ll be just as popular and interesting as yesteryear’s Dodge Warlock. Damning with faint praise, but it’s definitely got more legs than all the other badge/trim jobs Chrysler has in store for 2010.

  • avatar
    findude

    I’m all for a factory tuner minivan. Lower the roof, pack a little more power, seriously lower the center of gravity, throw in a rear-wheel-drive drive train, etc.

    Wait, that would be a station wagon.

  • avatar

    In the end these vehicles bump sales. Let’s say you are ordering five minivans. You may choose just for fun to throw in a couple man vans. That’s two more vehicles that Chrysler just sold.

    So either you’re still ordering 5 vans and Chrysler didn’t sell 2 more, or you floorplanned 2 ManVans just for fun. If you think they’ll sell over and above the 5 regular models, great. If they’re sitting on your lot while you pay interest on them, that makes you a moron. Chrysler may have sold 2 more vans, but how does that help you?

    As for the van itself, I say let them build it. It’s just an appearance package and there will be fools who pay more for it. There’s always a poseur ready to throw away money…

  • avatar
    mikey

    I really don’t get the connection between what you drive and your masculinity,and or your “car guy status” I’m a 56 year old grandfather of three, and drive an Impala. What does that take away my car guy status?

    My buddy,56 years old 6,2″ 230 lbs a little fat maybe,but hard fat,arms like tree stumps. He coaches Baseball and Hockey and when ever help is needed,he steps up to the plate. Taking seniors to the doctor,driving /picking up kids for practice,.you name it,he does it.

    If memory serves me right, he has had about 6 mini vans. We have been friends for 30 years,oddly I have never heard anybody question his man hood.

  • avatar
    Jerry Sutherland

    Too late-it’s already been done.Here’s a young guy who already figured out how to put a Caravan on steroids..
    http://www.mystarcollectorcar.com/3-the-stars/star-truckin/272-scary-rides-a-1989-dodge-caravan-a-stone-cold-tuner-car-killer.html

  • avatar
    SherbornSean

    Real men want minivans that are reliable. Something to think about, Chrysler, not that I’ve spent $3,500 in repairs on a certain Caravan in the last 2 years, or anything.

  • avatar
    Rod Panhard

    I’m visualizing a Plum Crazy Caravan with Cragar-influenced mags. I think it could work.

    • 0 avatar
      educatordan

      Where do I sign for that? Although perhaps a loaded Caravan with biggest V6, tow package for transmission cooler and stiffer suspension, and then just do the rest myself.

  • avatar
    rudiger

    How about bumble-bee stripes and/or a 1969 Daytona NASCAR wing and nose-cone?

    Welcome to today’s Scat Pack.

  • avatar
    don1967

    I have owned two minivans and pretty much hated driving both of them. But their hauling efficiency is undeniable… I once carried a stack of 16 sheets of 4×8 drywall from the Home Depot in my Nissan Quest – that’s nearly 900 pounds – with the tailgate closed. Next day I hauled 7 people in total comfort, and got over 30 mpg (imp). Eat your heart out, F-150.

    Maybe Chrysler should hire jkross22 to market this thing. The A-Team Van just might fly with all the Peter Griffins out there.

  • avatar
    dcdriver

    I guess GM used to make what is kind of a man-van in the GMC Safari and Chevy Astro. They were similar to current minivans in that they had three rows of seats plus some cargo room behind the 3rd row. They were truck-based RWD (4wd optional) IIRC.

    If they could have updated the Safari/Astro I think there would be a market for them. They would have needed updated safety features and a better way to take out/fold up the 3rd and 2nd row seats. My father in law had one, and I hated having to help him take out the rows of seats when he wanted to haul something big.

  • avatar
    PeregrineFalcon

    Couple thoughts here:

    1. What’s taken them so long? I’ve been making the joke that Dodge should make a HEMI-powered Caravan for years now, just to sell to the men who can’t bear to drive a “minivan.”
    2. As someone who drove minivans in my high-school/college years, those things rock face when you’re needing to shuttle band/sports/etc equipment. Or have space to stretch out with a cheerleader or two. And in the later years when the Odyssey got the J35 motor, it could cheerfully destroy each and every one of the riced-out Cavrollavics without even breaking a sweat.
    3. Two words – Turbo Van. http://www.turbovan.net/van.html

  • avatar
    windswords

    Come on folks this is nothing new. It’s been done before. Back in the 80′s, there were plenty of turbo minivans, both “sleeper” and non “sleeper” models if you wanted a van with pizzaz. In the early 90′s Dodge and Plymouth offered the Sport Wagon package which “featured accent color (gray) bumpers and molding, fog lamps, and special aluminum wheels”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Voyager#Generation_II_.281991.E2.80.931995.29

    My family had one of these, a 1994 Dodge Grand Caravan LE Sport Wagon. Besides the items listed above it also had a body colored grille and “Sport Wagon” decals. Mine was powered by a 3.3 with 162 hp. That may not seem like a lot now but it was plenty fast in it’s day. I had no trouble in keeping up with traffic or passing when needed. And it had the “bad” transmission, which ran great and never failed us. The wheels were shod with Goodyear Eagle GS tires. Good dry and wet traction. It had the dual airbags (new that year) and the built in child safety seats in the second rows for our rugrats. We drove that van all over the place.

    This is a pic of similar van except that ours was emerald green, the wheels are exactly the same but we didn’t have the running boards on ours:

    http://www.440magnum.com/mopars/2002/february/1994dodcaravan.shtml

    And no, I never felt less of a man when driving it. As a matter of fact I thought it was very attractive vehicle and liked to drive it whenever I could.

  • avatar
    Sammy Hagar

    I think the vast majority of men who buy Grand Caravans (and their clones) do so out of the financial practicality of getting as much seating/cargo room as possible for the least amount of money (ie, low-mileage used vans). We all chuckle a bit when we see the MSRP for a fully-loaded GC or T&C…as we know that no one pays that and that the vehicle loses $10K+ of MSRP value within one year. As such, these vehicles, if reasonably maintained, are a steal when they hit the used market for the first time; God bless lease-returns!

    But a gussied-up “ManVan”? Come on Chrysler…stop being so stupid. A minivan is a minivan, regardless of the striping/graphics package, hood scoop or any other nonsense added to it. We (pragmatic fellas who appreciate tinted windows) will not buy this and there is no reason to waste your resources in producing it.

    PS: Your ridiculous muscle car & patriotic clap-trap commercials are also very lame. Get with it…

  • avatar
    Acc azda atch

    Remind of the hundred reasons.. not to buy a Chrysler..

    Shit like this pisses me off and I hate to sound sexist.. but it seeps out of me.

    Dodge turns around and screws up the naming convention and doors with the Charger / Challenger paired with the PC names, fine.

    Then they turn around and market it to women.. who’s lives are so boring a Dodge Fiaster product is going to make their shitty lives better… (only after marketing the hell out of this pavement stomper to every man with a pulse, and the decent motor.)

    Ya have to be broke and stupid to be buying a Chrapsler / Fiatsler vehicle.. based on the simple principal that their stuff isnt worth a god damn.. not afte 2yrs of purchase.

    As far as this goes..
    Id love to to tell them to shove it.. and try and produce a decent midsizer that can battle against the bloated twins from the Japanese.

    Stuff like this pisses me off about them

  • avatar

    I have never understood the minivan haters. It is true that they are not much to look at, but they rock anyway. I drive my minivan with pride and confidence. I think that a minivan is the manliest vehicle on the road. The best men out there are family men and the minivan is the vehicle best suited for family adventure and maintaining a home. That said, I would love to see more minivans with more chiseled, muscular styling, and even more power and capability, all with better fuel economy. I want Dodge to do to the minivan what Ford has done to the V6 Mustang.

  • avatar
    nrd515

    To me, a minivan isn’t a feminine thing, it’s not a “Chickmobile”. I know plenty of guys who drive them, and I had an ’85 Caravan, my first and last one. If I needed one, I would have no problem buying one, but there are tons of vehicles I would buy first.

    A chickmobile is another story. I knew a young kid, made some money and bought a new car, his first one. It was a ’99 or 2000 Mercury Cougar. Now THAT is THE chickmobile of it’s day. He was devastated when someone called it what it was. He looked like a friend of mine did when I told him at age 7 that there was no Santa Claus. A neighbor of mine and his wife drove matching chickmobiles, they had VW Cabriolets, one of Ted Bundy’s favorite cars. I don’t really know what the current top chickmobile is, the last one was the “New Beetle”.

    • 0 avatar
      joeaverage

      You gotta be careful with pop culture. If you aren’t it will make all sorts of choices for you. You’ll be ashamed to do this or that, feel like you aren’t cool enough, or that your life lacks excitement all because those lives of the people on TV seems to exceed your’s.
      I’ve been there and done that for several years – it was called grade school back then. I got 13 years of it including Kindergarten. I got really, really tired of somebody else deciding what was cool and what was acceptable and witnessing or enduring someone’s ridicule b/c for some reason their opinion supposedly carried more weight than every else’s. The payback is that I hear most of these same shitty people are now multiple divorcées and in one case has even served time in the pen…
      No, I make my own choices thank you. Don’t care what anyone else thinks of them. If I want to drive a girly car I will. If I want a minivan then I’ll buy one. This gotta be manly thing works real well in the company of thugs, cavemen and pirates – not so much in the neighborhood where I’m safe and nobody is throwing rocks at me or shooting arrows at me. I don’t need to intimidate anyone to protect my family or to scare away competition for the evening kill.
      As for minivans – I think Chrysler has alot to work with. They can make Euro sophisticated minivans, tough utility minivans and sleek sporty minivans. They do need to build more than just cheap and expensive minivans in various colors appealing to retirees. Above all the minivans need to be durable and affordable – durable first b/c people will pay for “good” – see Honda and Toyota.

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    As a member of the gay community, I can tell you that there is NO market for a minivan for us. You could even make a special “Priscilla, Queen of the Desert” edition in fuschia with shoe racks mounted on the inside walls with dress storage, and this thing wouldn’t sell. It’s a shame, because minivans do offer a lot of practicality, but in our tribe they are referred to being suitable only for the “Olive Garden” crowd. We drive Subaru’s for practicality and the Subaru company gives us respect. Chrysler has been lacking in their efforts on this.


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