New Or Used?: Analysis Paralysis Edition

Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang
by Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang

Longtime TTAC Commentator Educatordan writes:

Okay Mr. Mehta and Lang: Currently my fleet consists of a 2004 F150 Heritage and a 2008 Roketa (Chinese) 150cc scooter. My current commute is about 8 miles one way each day and the miles are town and metro area where the speed limit never tops 50mph, I occasionally drive that with my scooter (top speed 60mph) but usually my girlfriend and we commute together in her 2005 Pontiac Vibe. My problem is this, I’m a teacher, soon to be administrator, and I anticipate a big change in my career next year with a new masters degree and new license. I currently work for the largest (geographically speaking) school district in the United States and my new administrative position will likely involve a commute of 40 to 90 miles round trip everyday. As an administrator I’ll be required to report to work as close to 7am as possible, come hell or high snow, teachers/students get canceled days, I will not. I’m in the mountain west (Northwest New Mexico) at an elevation of 6,500ft with parts of the county hitting 8,000ft.

So right now I’m of two minds on what sort vehicle to buy, I’m not getting rid of the truck (it’s paid for and I have truck jobs to give it), I’m torn between stripped down economy car, big smooth riding sedan, or something fun to reward myself. My budget will be $10,000 to $12,000 and here’s a few ideas from my short list, let me preface this by saying that whatever I get I’m gonna have two sets of tires, winter and summer. My prerequisites are approximately 30mpg highway, anything with 4cyl has to be manual transmission, I don’t care about the city fuel economy, cheap insurance would be nice (33 yr old divorced male), and reliability is good (but luxury is not necessary). I’m 5’11” and thin so I don’t have to sweat the cockpit size. I’ve never owned a new car BTW and my dad always bought used and American.

New Economy Cars:

Hyundai Accent (3-door)

Nissan Versa (hatch)

Clearance deal on a Vibe or Saturn Astra (are there any left?)

Used Sedans:

W-platform with a V6, and perhaps the Monte Carlo. I know the Monte is a shell of it’s former self but my dad had a 1975 model from about 1978 to 1985 and I have a soft nostalgic spot for them.

Ford Taurus/500/Mercury Sable/Montego

Ford Fusion

Chevrolet Malibu (previous gen)

Pontiac G6

Saturn Aura

Nissan Altima/Maxima (find one with the rare manual trans?)

Something from Hyundai or Kia?

Impreza stick? (base model, none of that factory hot rod stuff)

Used Fun Cars:

Mazda Miata manual trans

Mustang GT manual (doesn’t quite fit my MPG requirement)

Sajeev Answers:

Hey Dan: analysis paralysis much? A Mazda Miata or a Mercury Montego? Impreza or Impala? Monte or Maxima? I think my head’s gonna explode. Reading between the lines, you need to test drive more cars and decide what size or style you’d prefer. Your mandatory homework is several weekends at the nearest Dealership Row to get a grasp on what you desire from a car. And if you can’t narrow down the field? That’s actually a good thing. Quite honestly, you don’t need another vehicle.

I’d put a wicked aftermarket audio system with Navigation/iPod/XM/etc in your F-150. Then a set of slightly firmer Bilstein HD shocks (or comparable) and an ECU re-flash so mid-corner throttling is far more entertaining. Then call it a day. Oh, and don’t forget to scrap the Heritage’s dorky amber lenses for the clear ones from an older model, too. Wait, I’m turning this into a Piston Slap column. That’s my bad.

Steve Answers:

Sajeev is actually channeling my brain these days. He’s absolutely right. The gas savings on the commuter scooter will be dwarfed by the depreciation, insurance (as you mentioned), opportunity cost, taxes, first born… you get the idea. Plus most of what you’ve already mentioned strikes me as boring as hell. Sorry.

If you absolutely must do something just upgrade the stereo and seats. Perhaps a really nice suspension upgrade would smooth out your ride but… you live in New Mexico where most roads are made out of glass. If you must… another possibility is just buying a well depreciated five year old vehicle with a stick and 60k. But then again you’re already keeping the F150 and scooter so why bother?

I would just upgrade the ride and spend the rest of the dough on… well… nothing really. But you already knew that I’m a frugal fellow so if you must blow the money, blow it on the girlfriend. Or a nice pair of walking shoes. Hopefully both of them will last.

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  • PrincipalDan PrincipalDan on May 15, 2010

    OK, guys here's where I'm at now. I have read all the comments and taken the "image" thing into consideration too. Too me, an old (10 to 15yrs) luxury car says; "I know what I like and it doesn't need to be brand new for me to consider it. I'm not fickle and I don't need to follow the latest trends." I'm thinking Lexus LS cause I idolized 60s-70s Cadillacs, 80s Mercedes Benzs, and 60s and 70s Rolls Royces as a kid. I actually had a luxury car fetish before I had a sports car fetish ;). There's actually a decent enthusiast community out there when the hot rodding bug bites me. It will be many years before I can even think about affording a new Lexus and make everybody think I'm a douche-bag. If I want wind in my hair I can continue to upgrade my two wheel transport over the years. Hell, I had to get a motorcycle license just to have the scooter!

  • Ricardo Pearnosh Ricardo Pearnosh on May 17, 2010

    Dan, I think you need a used Subaru Forester 2.5 XT. Unpretentiously blends in with your local automotive populace. Comfy leather available. Blistering speed when you need it. Room for all those books in the back. Best AWD system for the snow days. Hard to find with a manual though...

    • PrincipalDan PrincipalDan on May 17, 2010

      The thing that worries me there is the only Subarus that ever get knocked down a peg or two on reliability are the turbo models, sorry.

  • Bkojote Allright, actual person who knows trucks here, the article gets it a bit wrong.First off, the Maverick is not at all comparable to a Tacoma just because they're both Hybrids. Or lemme be blunt, the butch-est non-hybrid Maverick Tremor is suitable for 2/10 difficulty trails, a Trailhunter is for about 5/10 or maybe 6/10, just about the upper end of any stock vehicle you're buying from the factory. Aside from a Sasquatch Bronco or Rubicon Jeep Wrangler you're looking at something you're towing back if you want more capability (or perhaps something you /wish/ you were towing back.)Now, where the real world difference should play out is on the trail, where a lot of low speed crawling usually saps efficiency, especially when loaded to the gills. Real world MPG from a 4Runner is about 12-13mpg, So if this loaded-with-overlander-catalog Trailhunter is still pulling in the 20's - or even 18-19, that's a massive improvement.
  • Lou_BC "That’s expensive for a midsize pickup" All of the "offroad" midsize trucks fall in that 65k USD range. The ZR2 is probably the cheapest ( without Bison option).
  • Lou_BC There are a few in my town. They come out on sunny days. I'd rather spend $29k on a square body Chevy
  • Lou_BC I had a 2010 Ford F150 and 2010 Toyota Sienna. The F150 went through 3 sets of brakes and Sienna 2 sets. Similar mileage and 10 year span.4 sets tires on F150. Truck needed a set of rear shocks and front axle seals. The solenoid in the T-case was replaced under warranty. I replaced a "blend door motor" on heater. Sienna needed a water pump and heater blower both on warranty. One TSB then recall on spare tire cable. Has a limp mode due to an engine sensor failure. At 11 years old I had to replace clutch pack in rear diff F150. My ZR2 diesel at 55,000 km. Needs new tires. Duratrac's worn and chewed up. Needed front end alignment (1st time ever on any truck I've owned).Rear brakes worn out. Left pads were to metal. Chevy rear brakes don't like offroad. Weird "inside out" dents in a few spots rear fenders. Typically GM can't really build an offroad truck issue. They won't warranty. Has fender-well liners. Tore off one rear shock protector. Was cheaper to order from GM warehouse through parts supplier than through Chevy dealer. Lots of squeaks and rattles. Infotainment has crashed a few times. Seat heater modual was on recall. One of those post sale retrofit.Local dealer is horrific. If my son can't service or repair it, I'll drive 120 km to the next town. 1st and last Chevy. Love the drivetrain and suspension. Fit and finish mediocre. Dealer sucks.
  • MaintenanceCosts You expect everything on Amazon and eBay to be fake, but it's a shame to see fake stuff on Summit Racing. Glad they pulled it.
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