By on April 21, 2009

As a recent family reunion proved, there are times when nothing less than a Lincoln Navigator L will do. In theory: I relied on inferior modes of transportation during my time of need, and the little voice in my head never stopped reminding me of that fact. What wouldn’t I do for a fully independent suspension with air ride, three rows of seating and a suitcase- swallowing 42.6 cubic feet of cargo space behind the third row? Yes, this vehicle is everything that’s wrong with America. It’s the rolling embodiment of Wall Street greed and “easy credit” arrogance. But the guys getting bailout dollars and megabuck bonuses can afford a fleet of Navigators: I just want one, dammit!

If it’s painted black. The Navigator wears a face so contrived that even P-Diddy couldn’t sample it for a remix. While the hood’s extra chrome is an option, there’s no escaping the door-mounted spizzarkle and Anime smile at the rear. Even without the twin plankton filters found on other Lincolns, the Navigator’s Mojo-Jojo is a hulking, sour-faced beast ready to battle the Power Puff Girls.

Yet, as Lincoln’s own website admits, the interior has “as much presence as its imposing exterior.” But shock and awe makes way for surprise and delight: the number of servo-assisted gadgets and electronic distractions boggle the mind. Yet somehow it transcends into a high-dollar urban lounge of gathered leather with contrast piping, decent polymers, ebony-toned oak and the obligatory faux aluminum paint.

Combined with the overwrought door handles (a constant reminder of why people vilify this vehicle) the retro Ford Econoline gauges and the shameful lack of wood trim on the rear doors, this is still the place to be. Well done, Mr. Jeff Sanders.

The F-150 Platinum has nicer touches than the outdated ’Gator, but there isn’t a bad seat in the house: even the power-fold third row has bountiful padding, never feeling like a penalty box. If the cooled seats don’t take the edge off a summer’s Heatwave, plug your iPod into the THX-infused SYNC audio system and those Boogie Nights will get Too Hot to Handle. This has been the Navigator’s promise since the beginning, Always and Forever.

And it stays that way, even when it moves. The Navigator is a rolling library, a blank canvas for your funky music, a child’s DVD, or an enlightened conversation on what non-SUVs the government shall build with the remains of General Motors. Or perhaps discussing what idiotic alphanumeric name Lincoln should apply to the Navigator to screw up their last bastion of American luxury?

Still, everyone stays happy. But more importantly, the driver never falls asleep. The latest Navigator sports firmer steering and better controlled body motions than its predecessor. If taking a sweeper in a Boxster is like Dancing with the Stars, the Navigator L is akin to a warm hug from Santa Claus: it still feels good.

While improved dynamics compromise the ever-important highway waft, emergency maneuvers don’t require a diaper for adult-sized accidents. The optional 20″ wheels may help turn-in, but their banging on pavement joints say the 18″ hoops are better for this rig’s modus operandi.

Which is like living amongst Lotus Eaters: always suspended in a state of bliss. Relative to the Escalade’s small block beast, the Lincoln’s 5.4L V8 fails to impress. But with 310 horsepower and a reassuring 365lb·ft of torque mated to a buttery smooth 6-speed autobox, this SUV never runs out of breath. While great for stoplight launches, the short first gear translates into effortless SeaRay retrievals from any boat ramp. And towing? Yeah, it’s got that too.

Load up the Navigator and let the air suspension equalize the load. Prodigious disc brakes keep an overloaded Navigator in check, but fuel economy in the double digits is not a foregone conclusion. At the other extreme, I hyper-miled my way to 22 mpg with the cruise control on, the A/C off, and the cooled seat in super-chill mode.

So Lincoln’s premier SUV is still exactly “what a luxury car should be.” And given the tumultuous times, that might be enough: a post Chapter 11 GM won’t have the stones to make a Cadillac Escalade in this political climate. Maybe the full size SUV is a low volume niche that will be filled by the last man standing?

Surprise! If Ford’s (silent) commitment to the unbelievably profitable Panther chassis is any indication, will the Navigator own this niche like the Town Car after the Cadillac Fleetwood bit the dust in 1996?

If so, I’m down. The Lincoln Navigator L is an eminently comfortable, capable and unbelievably luxurious machine. Both Lincoln and Cadillac survived The Great Depression, so maybe our current recession is no match for one of America’s best examples of automotive escapism.

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66 Comments on “Review: 2010 Lincoln Navigator L...”


  • avatar
    paris-dakar

    As much as I personally don’t like it, the Navigator is the only thing Lincoln has going for it. Prefered the old Waterfall Grille though.

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    The previous, less-bling styling was much nicer, and those gauges are a retro joke. If I needed this type of vehicle, I’d go for the less ostentatious Expedition.

    The 3rd row seat in the Navigator/Expedition is the trump card of these SUVs, the independent rear suspension allows adult sized seats and space with a fold flat floor.

  • avatar
    kkleinwi

    “The Lincoln Navigator L is an imminently comfortable, capable and unbelievably luxurious machine.”

    If you can just wait a little while, it will be a really nice car. Trust us…

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    From where I sit, seating is the point of these vehicles. And, as carguy622 notes, this and the Expedition have the best third rows in the class. So, while they might lack the horsepower of GM’s products, they win the comparison for me.

    The Nissan Armada and Toyota Sequoia? There’s a reason they haven’t made much headway.

    TrueDelta has no reliability info for these yet. But one model year was recently added to our survey, and others are close. Always looking for more participants.

    http://www.truedelta.com/reliability.php

  • avatar
    italianstallion

    The styling on first-gen Navigators used to be mildly attractive – especially the over-sized rear window.

    This incarnation is utterly ridiculous looking.

  • avatar
    Guzzi

    When I have all the money I need, this may be my eff-you vehicle. This is America saying to the world, with a shit-eating grin, “My bad.”

  • avatar
    P71_CrownVic

    Yuck!

    Anemic, boat anchor engines, gallons of cheap silver paint, and a grille only a toothless man would long for.

    I’ll take the MUCH better Escalade over that.

  • avatar
    SupaMan

    Styling aside, I think this is a better vehicle than the Escalade in terms of packaging. The previous gen was much nicer looking though and more understated. Where the powertrain is concerned, one wonders what this vehicle could do with an EcoBoost V6…

    Going further, one wonders how the MKS’ face would look on this behemoth.

  • avatar
    TVC15

    This tank really needs some TDi.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    Not really a bad car, but lined up against Ford’s own (lower, smaller, more commodious, more car-like) Flex it becomes a really hard sell.

    Were the MKFlex not so ugly, the Navigator would be in real trouble. But it is, so it isn’t.

  • avatar
    Jeff G

    It will be interesting to see the towing numbers for the eco-boosted Flex and MKT.

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    Jeff G:

    As I understand it, the weak link in towing is usually the transmission, not the engine. And transverse transmissions tend to how relatively low capacities.

    Forgot to comment on the styling earlier: I haven’t cared for any of the three generations. The first gen had Family Truckster tail lights. The second gen was the most tasteful, but still had a bloated look to it. The current car has an awful grille.

    So, on styling the Cadillac certainly wins. Or just get the Expedition. In sport trim and black, it’s sharp.

  • avatar
    slateslate

    YMMV, but I the retro gauges….Camaro, MKX, Mustang. Please GM/F just copy a gauge cluster from Audi or BMW or Infiniti or even the Accord. Retro does not imply good.

  • avatar
    Accords

    I actually drove the “cheaper” version of these.. out in Vegas for about a week.

    Im accustomed to driving my Accord.. (like I think Im driving a Vette.. minus the price tag and the V8..)

    In Vegas.. I took this as a rental.. for 6 people. As a driver.. I couldnt be more disconnected from the road. This is a vehicle that doesnt do cornering, handling or any kind of actual driving. It had all of the do-dads, the parking assist the steps all of that.. and I just can not deal with the bloat.

    The vehicle buy its sheer size removes any actual ability to drive.. and reduces you to a small / miniscule person.. in a vehicle not fit to be driven. – PERIOD.

    This is a vehicle to drive around, if you really have no other clue about driving OR cars in general. The design is decent. The fuel economy is poor.

    We could have gotten into a Exploder or a TB, but this is all they had.

    The road noise was low, and the roads themselves out there.. ARE FANTASTICALLY SMOOTH AND well maintained.

    But this..
    I couldnt imagine driving this hulk back and forth in commuting. I couldnt even imagine owning an Exploder.. and having to try and DRIVE with it.

  • avatar
    tparkit

    The Navigator is a vehicle that screams, “Get outta my way – I’m a jerk!”. All big-swinging-dick bluster, it looks like it wants to light up a cigar and squish little people as it saunters to the high-roller lounge with a rhinestone ditz on its arm.

  • avatar
    Theodore

    It’s a modern version of the 1970s Lincoln Continental: enormous, flashy, and unapologetic. I wonder if in 40 years we’ll look at these Navigators the same way.

    Side note: these things are all over Houston. There are a lot of things I miss about Texas, but the sheer terror associated with driving a Miata on I-45 at rush hour is not one of them.

  • avatar
    fincar1

    You know, that grille to me is reminiscent of the 1946-48 Zephyrs and Continentals, even if it’s made of something that weighs about 5% as much. You knew it wasn’t a cheap Ford or a pretender Mercury coming at you.

    Otoh, it wasn’t a truck either.

  • avatar
    discoholic

    Wouldn’t it be cheaper to just stuff a sock down your pants?

    Yes, this vehicle is everything that’s wrong with America.
    It’s wrong even in America, and I can think of several dozen reasons why literally nobody outside the US will even consider buying this monstrosity – Russian nouveau riche pimps and those who think a Hummer’s too subtle aside. It’s cheaper, safer, and more environmentally friendly to buy two normal cars.

  • avatar

    I always thought the Navigator was a superior product to the Escalade. it’s very comfortable, roomy & rides great. And the Navigator has real leather, not pleather.

    I really like the previous design, 2006, esp. the grill. Not a fan of the stupid chrome siding and the new grill. At all.

  • avatar
    highrpm

    I liked the previous gen styling much better. The last one also had the cool glowing gauges, not the cheap looking old-school ones.

    Yep, this vehicle is over the top. At least it can haul 8 people and a race car trailer. For similar money, you get an Audi, BMW, or Benz sedan that seats only four, cannot tow, gets truckish fuel economy with its V8 engine, and also weighs more than two tons.

    So which one is the poseur mobile again?

  • avatar
    geeber

    If Lincoln is the last man standing in this segment, I hope that it doesn’t depend on this the way it did on the Town Car during the 1990s and early 2000s. The future does not lie with vehicles like the Navigator.

  • avatar
    jpcavanaugh

    I’m in the minority – I actually like the looks of the new one better than the old one. But being the practical sort who buys his cars at 10-12 yrs old, I had better stick with an Expedition EL. I can’t imagine having to diagnose a problem in a malfunctioning 12 yr old seat cooler.

  • avatar
    P71_CrownVic

    Going further, one wonders how the MKS’ face would look on this behemoth.

    As bad as it look on the MKTaurus, MKFusion, MKFlex, and MKEdge

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    I’m in the minority – I actually like the looks of the new one better than the old one

    I’ll agree. The only problem, per se, is the additional brightwork betweem the foglights. It’s also better looking when the trim is blackened somewhat, as the one driven by one of my coworkers (admittedly the stereotypical trophy hockey mom) has been.

    It’s still stupid unless you tow regularly, and I’d still buy a loaded Flex instead.

  • avatar
    levi

    Maybe the full size SUV is a low volume niche that will be filled by the last man standing?

    Gotta agree with that.

    But that front end is so bone-fucking ugly. Do people really spend huge amounts of money to be seen in one of those?

    Navigator should be put down as a mercy killing.

  • avatar
    mtypex

    I won’t miss them when they are gone, if they ever do go.

  • avatar
    quasimondo

    Side note: these things are all over Houston. There are a lot of things I miss about Texas, but the sheer terror associated with driving a Miata on I-45 at rush hour is not one of them.

    How can you let these things intimidate you? They sure don’t intimidate me when I’m surrounded by them in my Miata.

  • avatar
    supremebrougham

    For what it’s worth…if it weren’t for the Navigator, there probably wouldn’t have been an Escalade. The Lincoln debuted in 1997, and GM polished up the Yukon Denali in 1999 for Caddy to compete with.

    I remember the Navigator being a huge hit the first few years, they were everywhere. Now I only see a handfull of first gens rolling around…I wonder what happened to them???

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    Thank you all for reading.

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    highrpm : Yep, this vehicle is over the top. At least it can haul 8 people and a race car trailer. For similar money, you get an Audi, BMW, or Benz sedan that seats only four, cannot tow, gets truckish fuel economy with its V8 engine, and also weighs more than two tons.

    So which one is the poseur mobile again?

    Wow! Check and mate.

    I liked how the Navigator towed, mostly because you never really felt the trailer back there. Air suspension FTW. And I’d be surprised if the MKT tows more than 4000lbs, even with Ecoboost. That’s not its intended goal.

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    geeber : If Lincoln is the last man standing in this segment, I hope that it doesn’t depend on this the way it did on the Town Car during the 1990s and early 2000s. The future does not lie with vehicles like the Navigator.

    Well that may not be likely, but I still wanted to people to think about it. Otherwise a review of a new Navigator isn’t very timely.

    But you bring up the question, what is Lincoln’s future? Reskinned foreign cars and no V8? That’ll never fly with Lexus still in business.

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    Theodore : these things are all over Houston. There are a lot of things I miss about Texas, but the sheer terror associated with driving a Miata on I-45 at rush hour is not one of them.

    I’d be afraid of anything on that road in a Miata! For some reason the worst drivers on I-45 are the riced out subcompacts with Autozone crap on their fenders and (just a guess) their fourth owner behind the wheel.

  • avatar
    reclusive_in_nature

    If a vehicle like this is “everything wrong with America” then I never want to be “right”. Looks to me like a giant “fuck you” to everyone who thinks that the types of vehicles we drive should be regulated by Uncle Sugar. You can put me down for two of these. One for each middle finger.

  • avatar
    NulloModo

    Navigators are by far the least frequently sold vehicles on our lot. Sajeev has pointed out many of the great points, the cavernous amounts of space, the comfort, and the towing capability, but what I have seen is that most customers don’t need all of those things in one vehicle. Granted, the median age of the population skews much higher than the national average here due to the rampant retirees, so we don’t have an onslaught of bored soccer moms storming our doors, but most of our customers will buy a blinged out F150 or F250 for their towing needs, and a midsize sedan or CUV for their family haulage.

    Lincoln does offer a package which gets rid of the chrome upper lip, the chrome lower side rocker panels, and the chrome between the foglights for those who prefer a less in your face approach. As far as the gauges go, I like the retro look. There is something classic and tasteful about the simple white on black that Lincoln uses for the Navigator, MKS, and used on the MKZ up until the 2010 refresh. I understand that electroluminescence is all the rage, and that attracting younger buyers through video-game like visual pop is a calculated move, but if simple, high contrast, and tasteful is ‘retro’ then I guess I’m a throwback.

  • avatar
    P71_CrownVic

    For what it’s worth…if it weren’t for the Navigator, there probably wouldn’t have been an Escalade. The Lincoln debuted in 1997, and GM polished up the Yukon Denali in 1999 for Caddy to compete with.

    And look who has won. The Escalade is a properly upscale SUV while the Navigator is an Expedition with a horrid nose and 40 gallons of silver paint.

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    P71_CrownVic : And look who has won. The Escalade is a properly upscale SUV while the Navigator is an Expedition with a horrid nose and 40 gallons of silver paint.

    Define “proper.” Its pretty obvious how Tahoe-ish the Caddy’s interior is…from the lower half of the dash and the door panels, its all the same as a base Chevy. Not to mention the Yukon Denali which is often seen at the same dealership, parked right next to each other.

    Aside from the great powertrain and taught(er) dynamics, the Escalade isn’t that far evolved from the original Navigator, much less the new one. And even if you put a Magnacharger on the Escalade and I still can’t forgive that third row and solid axle.

  • avatar
    shaker

    Not surprised that there are a lot of these around Houston – gotta stay close to the fuel teat ;-)

    Probably that last chance to get one of these tanks without some sort of hybrid drivetrain; go get’er!

  • avatar
    Theodore

    Sajeev-

    Concur wrt the ricers. It got so when I had to go to Houston I’d drive the Thunderbird, just out of self defense. I am occasionally frustrated by the slower pace of Omaha traffic, but at least the drivers here aren’t homicidal!

  • avatar
    NickR

    It does look like a nice place to be. I haven’t looked closely at Lincoln’s more recent automotive offerings…is the interior on those cars comparable?

    Okay, I will allow myself to be subjected to ridicule by saying this…there are some vehicles that beg for that classic North American sweep speedo that stretches across the dash in front of the driver. (No, I am not 80 years old.) This is one of them. Who the hell is going to watch the revs that closely when they are driving one of these anyway?

  • avatar

    THE LINCOLN NAVIGATOR PICTURED HERE IS THE KING OF ALL SUV’s.

    While I perfer the Escalade for its looks and its design inside and out, the Navigator’s design is proof positive that even when Ford makes a mistake – its knows what its doing.

    #1 The Navigator’s seats all fold FLAT. Escalade, Taho, Denali – the entire GMT800 truck line DOES NOT DO THAT. You have to remove the 3rd row seat because they have solid rear axles.

    #2 The Navigator has independant rear suspension unlike GM’s trucks and therefore, despite its not being as quick as the GM trucks, you can turn sharper in it than you could in say, an Escalade.

    #3 The Navigator has more interior room. The review here is an L model – the regular model is just as roomy – but, the L is for more storage space behind the 3rd row. We have one with a Dvd entertainment center in the 2nd row, but you can order it with DVD entertainment for row 2 and 3 and still have a walkthrough center aisle for row 2. When technology at ford catches up to that offered on the new Benz, they will probably have dual view 1st row LCD screen.

    #4 The NAvigator is alot cheaper than the Escalade. The Navigator is around $9000 cheaper than a similarly equipped Escalade. Same goes for the L vs. the ESV.

    #5 The Navigator’s higher roof makes it better for taller drivers/passengers.

    #6 The Navigator doesn’t have as much HP as the Escalade but, it’s towing capacity is higher.

    This truck is a remnant of a time when cheap credit let people have this and a boat to tow. Now those boats (and their houses) are abandoned.

    Easy come easy go.

    So in conclusion – despite it is so ugly, and holds over the 2nd generation’s engine, it completely trumps the Escalade.

    • 0 avatar
      markd514

      I guess I am the only one that loves the new look. I think it is really nice-the escalade looks good too-I am not knocking it like everyone else does.
      I drove both, and the navigator has a better ride. The wood weather it be real or fake…..who cares? It looks good-the escalade definitely is and looks like cheapo plastic wood. The escalade interior is very outdated in my opinion. The navigator interior is so much more refined. And the gauges? WHo cares? They are gauges!!!
      The grille looks good, and so does the whole car-I love it!

  • avatar

    I agree with Michael Karesh

    The Expedition is the best choice of the full sized SUV market. ITs got towing, full interior space and a good price tag.

    The second gen Navigator looked bloated because they lowered it to the ground and widened it. It looks huge.

    supremebrougham :
    I think the 2nd Gen Navigator wasn’t loved because it had tighter interior spacing than the 1st gen and cost alot more ($70,700 for a loaded model).
    The 3rd gen is around $64,000 loaded.

  • avatar
    blautens

    Having spent considerable time as a driver and a passenger of every generation and wheelbase of Navigators, and spent quite some time as a driver of recent Suburbans, I can’t compare the interiors only the packaging – it’s not fair. But the newer Navigator interior isn’t as nice as the previous generation! It’s insane! You’re supposed to get better…evolve…stupid bean counters.

    Styling, of course, is subjective…you either love it or hate it.

    Packaging – Lincoln wins hands down – the 3rd row seat in either wheelbase is comfy and folds flat easily.

    Skip the 20 inch wheels for the best ride (good luck trying that, though).

    And maybe I’m spoiled by really fast cars, but the Navigator feels pokey to me, even for a huge barge. I’m pretty sure the 403HP Escalade kills it in the 1/4 mile. And sounds better doing it, too…not that you should be engaging in that sort of behavior in either of these, but how else do you measure true performance?

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    Okay, I will allow myself to be subjected to ridicule by saying this…there are some vehicles that beg for that classic North American sweep speedo that stretches across the dash in front of the driver.

    Mercedes did that until recently. I remember sitting in a pre-refresh W204 C-Class that had the amber-coloured sweep guage, though perhaps not that long. I thought it was a nice differentiator; something different from the twin-ring speedo+tach that everyone uses.

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    I’ll agree it’s ugly. The LTZ Tahoe or Burb make the Caddy, Linclon & Denali a silly choice for a full size SUZ if you want something with all the bells and whistles. Unless you find value in pieces of chrome and fake wood splattered all over the place.

    • 0 avatar
      markd514

      Silly choice? I think everyone should ask YOU what kind of car they should buy!

      WHy cant people buy what they want and everyone be happy and supportive for their personal choice? WTF!

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Unless you’re into towing or looking like you just stepped out of a rap video, the Buick Enclave is a FAR better choice as a full-size SUV than either the Navigator or the ‘Slade…great-looking inside and out (the interior, in particular, is a home run), easier to get in and out of, more user friendly, and absolutely vast on the inside.

    Plus, the Enclave is tomb-quiet, amply powerful, and unlike a ‘Slade, it’s enjoyable to drive. While full-size truck-based SUVs never let you forget you’re driving a truck, the Escalade feels more like a luxury sedan (not that it PERFORMS like a Lexus LS, but a lot better than any truck-based ute).

    And you can get one with every option possible for about $50 large…more like 45 with all the discounts and rebates…far cheaper than a Navigator or Escalade.

    The other Lambda GM utes (the Acadia, Traverse and Outlook) are also nice, but the Buick is definitely a step above in style and luxury. But with Saturn going the way of the dodo soon, you should be able to pick up an Outlook VERY cheaply.

    The only thing the Enclave and the other Lambdas can’t do is tow a lot, but they’re OK for something like a U-haul trailer or a jet-ski.

    If you can do without the hauling capacity, check one out…you will NOT be disappointed.

    Lincoln is introducing a similar vehicle, the MKT, this summer…so if you want a big Lincoln SUV with the new style (which is pretty cool, to my eyes), check that one out.

  • avatar
    davey49

    Another key to towing is a long wheelbase. The short Navigator and Escalade are limited by this.
    Are the CUVs really that much more “fun” to drive?
    Still seems like a lot of weight to throw around.
    I love the retro dash.

  • avatar
    86er

    Okay, I will allow myself to be subjected to ridicule by saying this…there are some vehicles that beg for that classic North American sweep speedo that stretches across the dash in front of the driver.

    No ridicule from this quarter; I loved the full sweep speedo and almost bought a ’91 Crown Vic for that very reason. Well, that might be stretching it, but…

    As per the Navigator, I agree that most drivers will not consult the tach. since no Navigators come with a manual transmission. While people towing may have to watch their revs, an experienced tower can listen to the engine, even shifting manually if desired, like they did in them there olden days.

  • avatar
    NulloModo

    davey49 – The standard wheelbase Navigator has a higher towing rating (9000 lbs) than the L version (8700 lbs) due to the lower curb weight, similar the 4×4 versions also drop a couple hundred lbs of capability from those numbers. CUVs are more ‘carlike’ to drive, they turn easier, there is more road feel, and you are a little closer to an average sedan’s ride height. I wouldn’t want to race through the twisties in a CUV or and full size SUV, but considering only a tiny percentage of drivers care about that, it is probably a moot point.

    Carlson – At least in the case of the Expedition vs the Navigator you do get some suspension upgrades, a better audio system, and some other upgrades as well. Also, while the aluminum and chrome may be fake, the wood is real.

  • avatar
    finderskeepers

    As the owner of an Expedition Limited, which in reality is a clone of this beast, I can tell you that there are few vehicles that are as comfortable on long trips. You almost forget about how good the independent rear suspension is, until you jump into a Dodge pickup at work, and drive on washboard roads like I do. Can’t say I’ve ever needed more HP than the engine produces either, it will effortlessly cruise at 80mph at 2000rpm. I do hope that Ford/Lincoln designers read this, as I found the last generation of Navigators beautiful, yet this face is one that only the mother of a gold toothed rapper could love, please get rid of it asap, and you will see your sales improve.

  • avatar
    Landcrusher

    The only time I got worried about SUV’s in my Miata was when they tailgated. But I got the same fear of a tailgating pickup, minivan, luxobarge, or any car that I suspected had lousy brakes.

    Out run them, or slow down slowly so they pass. It’s frustrating, but you can deal with it.

  • avatar
    davey49

    NulloModo- the numbers for the short wheelbase are higher but everybody I know that tows regularly says to get the long wheelbase for a better towing experience.

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    davey: that is true in theory, but I’m not sure it’ll mean much considering the dimensions of the regular Navi, the independent rear and load leveling air suspension.

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    I tow a 25′ cruiser that goes just under 4 tons with my ’07 Tahoe. Trust me the short wheel base is not an issue. The boat is just under 34′ from tip to tail and the short wheelbase combined with the tight turning radius of the Tahoe makes it a breeze to manuver in tight places while in tow.

    I disagree about the need for a tach while towing. Definitely necessary equipment for towing. If the Navigator doesn’t also provide a transmission temperature gage like my Tahoe, then another big thumbs down.

    NulloModo – You’ll notice I didn’t include the Expy in my list. You do get a bigger engine and mileage robbing AWD with the Caddy and Denali. Are the demographic they’re targeting really that dumb and/or lazy that they can’t simply move the dial from 2WDH to Auto when the roads get sketchy? I also find it funny that they put the bigger enigine in a vehicle that’s less likely to tow. I say that because both the Caddy and Denail come with a cover that conceals the reciever hitch in the rear bumper. Out of site out of mind I guess.

    I tow often and keep my vehicles at least 10 years so I prefer the simplicity of a rigid axel over IFS. At least one test I read favored the ride of the Tahoe over both the IFS Ford Expy and Toyota Sequoia.

  • avatar
    Accords

    Carlson Fan:
    You ipitomize the kind of person / market that should be driving these kinds of vehicles. You are probably 1 person.. out of 10,000 that actually drive and use it as intended, and for that I applaud you.

    I think its great that ya get the most out of the Tahoe. I also agree, that I doubt there is much difference in power for towing vs the XL / Burban.

    I would like to know..
    What would be the difference..
    Between a Crew Cab 4×4 with a 4 or 6′ bed and a cap while towing that motha of a boat?

    I also agree.. that the Nav.. is just one giant advertisement for what is wrong with the market. The cover over the hitch is purely cosmetic. I dont even know if there is a factory power hookups.

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    Accords: there is a wiring harness in there. Just because they are pretty and pricey doesn’t mean they aren’t a truck.

  • avatar
    Accords

    Hey:
    SAJEEV MEHTA

    The whole purpose.. of buying a TRUCK, means it doesnt need to be pretty.

    And pricey.. it doesnt need.

    If I was buying a truck.. a 4wd Crewcab F150 would be just fine.

    Or a FORD version of a Avalanche.

    But it wouldnt be pretty, and it wouldnt be pricey. Again, Its not a truck if its pretty and pricey.

    It needs to be tough.
    It needs to be large
    And it needs to take no shit.

    This Linc.. is just that. SHIT.

    If I was in the market for a truck..
    I could tolerate a 1/2 – 3/4 sized F150. And ranger, thats just too damn small.

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    commando1

    True story: A Navigator parked next to my low-line entry-level F150. Even the same color. I said to the owner “I can’t see the $40,000 difference”. He looked straight at me and said “I wash mine”. Ba-da-boom…….

  • avatar

    Accords: while I do agree with you (see my F150 XL review), I sure like towing 5000+ pounds down the interstate with leather wrapped everything and air conditioned seats.

    Either way is fine by me.

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    Load up an F150 and it’s as nice on the inside as any Navigator. These full sized SUV’s offered by Cadillac and Linclon is badge engineering at its worst. Both need to leave trucks alone and stick with building what they know, cars! By the way, crew cab PU’s are far more versatile than any SUV. I’ve owned both so trust me on that one.

  • avatar
    inthedark

    Sajeev, are there any differences between the ’09 Navigator and the ’10?

  • avatar
    cckorn

    wow nasty comments by those who probably drive the smart car-why bother with your comments, this is for people interested in the navigator or something similiar-i wouldnt drive a tiny crap can if you gave it to me-i want my family in a BIG SAFE CAR…PERIOD…incidently mike, the buick enclave is not a full size suv its considered a cross over, do your homework..while i am not totally in love with the styling of the newer navs, i think the interior beats the escalade hands down…the third row seat folds down unlike many of the suvs…i think the older versions of the nav would look very outdated now…

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      Acc azda atch

      cckorn:

      It takes a lot of ignorance and isolation to not figure out that ya overpaying for a F-150 shortbed with a cap. For uses that you wont figure out how to operate ANYWAY. Its called BLOWING MONEY.

      Hate to bust ya little ignorance / safety / peace-of-mind little bubble..
      B.O.F SUVS are more prone to rolling over.. than pretty much any other vehicle. Top heavy + narrow design makes it prone to rolling over. A child could figure that out. Ford engineer’s figured that out when the Ranger had issues rolling over 25-30yrs ago. But your “safety needs” brought upon the concept of the Exploder and the inability to operate it properly. Its media frenzy put into peoples minds the concept of the BASIC engineering FLAW that a SUV has, narrow + top heavy = bad. The govt answer.. wasnt to fix the design, it was to put a electronic bandaid on it. Put the concept that it doesn’t even have suitable tire equipment to do a 4×4 job = no point in having awd if it doesn’t have SNOWS / mud tires!

      On top of any SUV especially Ford F-150 shortbed with a cap = Navigator / Expedition isn’t designed to keep you safe. The roof strength was supposed to hold 2.5 times the weight… Ford lobbed (make it CHEAPER) for a LOWERED govt mandate got it lowered to 1.5= (meaning it can hold 1.5 times the weight of the vehicle on its roof). Ya gonna be wishing for that when the roof caves in.
       
      Just cause ya bigger.. DOESN’T mean ya ANY safer. Any BASIC driving school accident avoidance maneuver.. will put it RIGHT over. Take the vehicle through a onramp at 50mph.. and dare yaself not to hit the brakes. On top of.. the govt doesn’t test like minded sizes, ex: Tahoe V Tahoe, Slade, Pilot, Veracruz, TB, F-150 shortbed with a cap = Expedition.
       
      On top of:
      You aren’t any safer and your driver doesn’t have the comprehension of being able to operate a larger heavier more UNSTABLE vehicle. Which puts the driver and the passengers ntm the vehicle itself at a loss.
       
      On top of..
      You dont gain ANY security or safety by being in one. Just the ignorance that thinks.. SIZE matters. While not being in a B class car = SMART Fortwo, I actually HAVE the ability to ACTUALLY AVOID AN ACCIDENT than be the punching bag like anyone in a FULLSIZE SUV. Its too heavy = obese = slow to actually get out of its own way.
       
      NOW..
      As far as the Lambdas = Enclave go, they are as fullsize in a unit body as the Tahoe is. They are marketed as such. And the highest trades are from GMT900/800 buyers = Tahoe / Burban. The curb gvwr is nearly identical and the market for these bastards is the same as those in a GMT900/800 = Tahoe / Burban for Caddy.

      Plus..
      It would be real nice if ya knew how to make sentences and or form a complete thought. SO why again is a F-150 shortbed with a cap safe again?

  • avatar
    cckorn


    thank you so much acc, you truly enlightened me and my ignorant ways,  you have a lovely day!


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