By on April 7, 2009

I had every intention of taking a Lincoln MKS for a spin. I couldn’t do it. The MKS dodging tumbleweeds in the showroom was ugly as sin and as cheap as chips. “Cheap” as in poorly designed and executed. The Monroney for Lincoln’s front wheel-drive, V6 flagship added up a bunch of numbers knocking on forty large. When I told the salesman I’d rather have two BMW E39 BMW M5s, he pointed me to the 46k-mile ’05 Lincoln LS V8 Sport busy putting flat spots on its tires. The sticker said something about $18K, but I got the distinct impression that a Salmon and some pocket lint would make her mine. But did I want her?

The LS shared its platform with Jaguar’s retro-styled, pre-Subaru Tribeca flying vagina, the S-Type. World car this. Ford’s English patient was responsible for the LS’s utterly ridiculous packaging (short, narrow trunk and cramped rear seats). Fortunately, our tester’s black-on-black color scheme flattered the car’s lines, which wander the border between elegantly dignified and invisibly generic. The LS V8′s cabin is nothing to write home about. But as I’m already home I’ll say that the Lincoln’s meaty steering wheel is all that stands between the LS V8 Sport and the stench of rental car hell. Although not literally.

The are really only three things you need to know about the Lincoln LS V8 Sport: it’s quick, it’s rear wheel-drive and the English underpinnings mean that Mercury Marauder-style redemption (via hot shit aftermarket engine and suspension mods) is not on the cards. The hive mind at Wikipedia claims the LS V8′s 3.9-liter lump produced over 87% of its peak torque at 2000 rpm. They also say that Jag’s AJ-V8 could propel the mini-luxobarge from 0 to 60 mph “in the low sevens.” While I’m not so sure how many times the Lincoln’s five-speed gearbox would enjoy that sprint (or the brakes for that matter), the LS V8 feels strong like bull [Russian accent]. There is plenty of poke when you need it, and just enough when you don’t.

The tester’s suspension emitted cop shock death rattles (don’t ask me how I know). But the LS V8 Sport’s handling was on the right side of slightly more than unobjectionable. And the LS V8 Sports’ 17″ wheels exact no ride penalty. Taken as a whole, at just under $50K when new, the V8 version of the last gen mid-size Lincoln was almost as over-priced as its contemporary replacement. (Note: the V6 LS was no fun at all.) Still, the LS V8 Sport was a bit of a hoot that pointed the way forward for Lincoln. I mean it’s simple enough, right? Tasteful lines, V8 power, rear wheel-drive, classy interior and enough room for adults. Done. Or, in Lincoln’s case, not.

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54 Comments on “Capsule Review: 2005 Lincoln LS V8 Sport...”


  • avatar

    I rented an LS several times and thought it was at least a good start. Had they refined it, perhaps ditching the Jag motor for the 4.6 liter standard Ford lump and offering the Mustang 6-speed as an option, it could have been turned into a decent car. Lookswise, it was head and shoulders above the CTS and was reasonably restrained inside by Lincoln standards. It was apparent by its third year, however, that Ford had planned higher sales volumes and were thus not up to the task of taking it to the next level. All in all a far superior car to the Mazda6 or Volvo clone that is the MKS.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    The MKS is sad. When a 2005 LS V8 Sport has 3 things that your latest flagship doesn’t (rear drive, V8 power and tasteful styling that doesn’t make you think Korea) you know your in trouble.

  • avatar

    When the LS was introduced I was invited by Lincoln to a test drive at Belmont Race Track. There was an Audi A6 (nice interior), Lexus ES300 (snooze), Mercedes C-Class (fun), and a BMW 5 Series (nice looking, well built) there as well. A couple of tracks were set-up to demonstrate the ability of the Lincoln relative to it’s peers. I remember liking the Mercedes best at the time, and the Lincoln was a close second.

    It was a nice car, and it’s a shame that it wasn’t nurtured and was just cut off when it wasn’t an overnight sensation. (Note to Detroit, enough with this type of stuff, cars don’t sell like hot cakes overnight. It takes years of good product to get noticed and in people’s good graces again).

  • avatar
    jpcavanaugh

    I have always had a bit of a fondness for the LS. I thought Lincoln was moving the right direction when that car came out. It’s a shame that Ford could not have continued to refine the platform with a second generation. However, I am not well enough versed in the british underpinnings to have any idea on long term durabiity. Maybe in another 5 or 6 years . . .

  • avatar
    Caffiend

    Nice car. I’d have considered it, but couldn’t find a late model V8 with a 5 speed. They must have built 90%+ automatics.

  • avatar
    SupaMan

    The LS was a pretty good car that got caught up in what the Detroit 3 are famous for: neglect. If the platform was as expensive as they claimed it to be, wouldn’t it deserve further refining and engineering to make it better? I’m pretty sure with the proper refinement and careful engineering the MKS shape would’ve fit perfectly.

    But no…all we get is a Lincoln wearing Swedish shoes…ugh.

  • avatar
    jpcavanaugh

    but couldn’t find a late model V8 with a 5 speed. They must have built 90%+ automatics.

    Unless they changed from the early models, only the V6 was available with the stick shift. V8 was automatic only.

  • avatar
    Lokki

    I always admired the LS…. and even considered buying a second generation one…. but of course there WAS no second generation. One of my rules for Detroit cars is that you never buy a new design….and it seems to me that these all had transmission problems for at least the first year.
    Anyhow, my BMW wasn’t ready for replacement during the time these were on the market.

    But why didn’t they sell? They seem like they’re everything we asked of Detroit – a clean handsome design that handled well, with good power, and room for Americans inside.

    I had the LS penciled in as a winner -and as the future of Detroit – until they disappeared. Can someone educate me as to why they went extinct?

    If I were a betting man, I’d have lost a lot of money on the future of the LS.

  • avatar
    skor

    I drove one of these, as well as a first gen CTS, and thought the LS was a much better car. I also preferred the subdued styling compared to the mini Batmobile lines of the CTS. Unfortunately, this car couldn’t make any money selling in low numbers like it did. Ford would have been better off stuffing a Ford 8 under the hood and lowering the sticker price — I doubt the majority of their customers would have been able to tell the diff between the Jag and Ford mills. All in all, it was a typical Ford project, they got it almost right.

  • avatar
    Conslaw

    Robert

    I’m confused, did you buy it or not?

    I almost bought a slightly used one in 2003. I ended up buying a new Passat instead because it got better mileage, had side airbags and a better-laid-out interior. The LS was a close second though.

  • avatar
    no_slushbox

    ponchoman49:

    “The MKS is sad. When a 2005 LS V8 Sport has 3 things that your latest flagship doesn’t (rear drive, V8 power and tasteful styling that doesn’t make you think Korea) you know your in trouble.”

    Ironically Ford has given up the market for rear drive, V8 power and tasteful styling that doesn’t make you think Korea to Korea.

  • avatar
    carguy

    Robert – is the auto box still as crazy indecisive as the earlier year models?

  • avatar

    carguy:

    The gearbox did hunt once or twice, especially on kickdown. A reflash would probably sort that right out, at the expense of mpgs, of course. Or, if not, it wasn’t a deal breaker.

    Loki:

    Too small inside. Period.

  • avatar
    no_slushbox

    If you want a RWD V8 Ford with a relatively small back seat you can always get the supposedly LS based Mustang GT.

    The refresh has to be driving down used prices.

  • avatar
    Captain Tungsten

    A properly updated Gen 2 LS would have arrived about the same time as the first CTS, and would have kicked it until it was dead.

  • avatar
    h82w8

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the current gen Mustang is based on the Jag S-Type platform, as was the last T-Bird. Any others…?

  • avatar
    NYVT

    I never wanted even to test drive an LS — quietly ugly styling and materials, punctuated with a peculiar Pep Boys CHMSL in the backlite (perhaps a British choice?).

  • avatar
    packv12

    I have always felt that the LS was under appreciated, except for Consumers Reports when the vehicle launched, as well as the 2000 COTY.

    I took delivery of my 2000 LS V8 Sport in Nov. 1999 and still enjoy the car. Performance has always been sufficient, but the handling sold me on the car. Gone was the day when Ford just put on stiffer springs and roll bar and called it a sport. The compromise between handling and comfort are a great, and I can still rack up hundreds of miles in one sitting, even with the Euro spec shocks and 18 inch wheels.

    I still receive many complements on the car, and find it strange that there are people out there who have never heard of the LS. Although the interior might be snug, I haven’t really needed the room and enjoy the intimacy of the affect.

    The transmission hunt can’t be resolved completely, as it’s really a three speed tranny with a couple of overdrive shifts thrown in to pretend it was a five speed. The shift between 2nd and 3rd have always been exasperating, except a WOT. I don’t fault it and have become accustomed to it.

    Part of the problem with it’s launch was, Lincoln never know how to market it. The dealer was assuring people that it was the replacement for the Continental, which was miles off the mark. Corporate may have be aligning it with the BMW, Audi, and Benz, but the dealers were still bewildered with the model and couldn’t get their mind around a sporty Lincoln.

    On the whole, I’ve enjoyed my nine years in the trenches. It’s been a great ride and continues to be one. Heck, it’s the only car I’ve kept this long and it has kept me satisfied.

    Thanks for the review, warts and all. Happy motoring to all.

  • avatar
    200k-min

    I remember the Lincoln promo stuff for the LS before it was officially released. Near 50/50 weight distribution, RWD, manual transmission. I was sooo ready to drive a Lincoln that could complete with a bimmer.

    Then it was just downhill. Manual transmission only available in V6. Small inside even though it’s a fairly large car. Cheapish parts here and there. Overall refinement not up the same standards of my Honda, etc.

    Still like the lines and think the LS was the right direction. It failed because Lincoln never “made it better.” The price didn’t help either. Paying close to $50k for one of these was just insane in a world of Lexus and BMW at similar prices. Lincoln should’ve sold these at a loss to build market share like Lexus did. Instead they lumbered on selling over priced Navigators and neglected the LS.

  • avatar

    I have a Ford addict uncle who personally hand builds Capri’s and sells them using parts he gets from Germany and Australia.
    He has owned 2 LS’s. The first, Black, the put over 100,000 miles on and then sold. The second, which is White, he bought for his Wife while he got a 2007 Navigator.

    He perfers the LS to the new MKS which I was trying to get him to buy – specificaly because this car has plenty of power for its time and seems to be low maintenance and well made.

    Lincoln should have made this car with a minimum of 18 inch wheels cause the 17′s look terrible with those huge wells.

    The MKS should have had a V8 – even if it was this V8 – so people could move on from the LS to the MKS without looking back.

  • avatar
    mtypex

    I don’t think Ford ever takes a loss on Lincolns or even Mercurys. It’s all added profit versus the base Fords. Whatever they did between the Jaguar S-Type, the Ford Mustang, and the Ford Thunderbird to pop out the Lincoln LS was good, which means they’ll never do it again!

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    mtypex : I don’t think Ford ever takes a loss on Lincolns or even Mercurys. It’s all added profit versus the base Fords. Whatever they did between the Jaguar S-Type, the Ford Mustang, and the Ford Thunderbird to pop out the Lincoln LS was good, which means they’ll never do it again!

    Good point. The V6 Lincoln LS frequently sold for $29-32k with incentives, which is about where the MK-Zephyr lives. One is a proper sports sedan and the other is a rebadged Fusion made in Mexico. No way in hell the LS ever made any money for Ford…and its utility for the P.A.G. offshoot for the past 10 years is also under doubt.

    But man, that Duratec V6 was a nice runner for cheap. Point, shoot, and plenty of grunt after the power bump in the platform’s mid-cycle upgrade. Definitely a step down from the V8, but the only time I really cared was under full throttle.

    Actually the S197/D2C Mustang is a different platform. Per wiki…that is. These days I can’t remember which Ford platform goes underneath what, they have too many of them. Which is why the DEW98 never had a chance.

  • avatar
    Areitu

    I remember fawning over these cars in high school. Always wondered how they drove…

  • avatar
    TVC15

    Very underrated car…another good idea from Ford left to die on the vine.

  • avatar
    Mr. Sparky

    I bought a 2002 LS V8 Sport new back in Nov 2001. The car was a great handler and a joy to drive.

    Unfortunately, it was a repair train wreck. During my ownership, I went through two headlights (they would hold water), three power window motors (they were on the third redesign), a parking brake handle (how the hell does that break?), countless pieces of trim, and a half dozen lugnuts (they used cheap lugnuts with a plastic decorative shell laminated over the top that would sheer off over time. Cost? $25 per nut!).

    With 2k short of the 50k warranty, I traded it for 2005 TL. Number of part replaced on the TL after 60K… Zero.

  • avatar
    superbadd75

    Unfortunately Ford pulled a GM on this car and let it go too far before an update. It was a great start, and with a little attention could have been refined into a starting point for Lincoln’s resurrection. As is it is now, that car is just a reminder of how close Lincoln came to beating Cadillac and competing with the rest of the world. Now they’re just what Mercury has been for years, which is just a slightly upgraded Ford brand with very little to entice new buyers. Lincoln is, for all intents and purposes, dead. And they were so close to “getting it”.

  • avatar
    Bimmer

    packv12,

    how’s reliability and does parts cost like for a BMW 5-Series (an arm and a leg)?

    I still like it, especially in LSE trim. It’s a shame that Ford never made it available with supercharged engine (found in Jag’s S-Type R) with a stick to compete with M5.

  • avatar

    This was about 85% of a great car. If they’d only offered it with suspension tuning that took full advantage of the rear-drive platform and some sport buckets.

    The V8 was never offered with a manual. I drove the V6 with a five-speed manual, and because of the items noted above it just didn’t make sense as a complete package. Well, that and marginal power output. A sixth ratio would have helped.

    In 2003 they retuned the suspension, making it even softer. Understeer was heavier than it ought to have been, given the nearly even weight distribution.

    TrueDelta doesn’t have reliability stats on this car. Wish we did, as it’s one I’d consider if the price was right and the odds of getting a nearly problem-free car were decent. Have one or know someone with one? Go here:

    http://www.truedelta.com/reliability.php

  • avatar
    Gardiner Westbound

    I really, really wanted an LS but concerns about Ford quality kept me away.

  • avatar
    Ken Elias

    I leased a 2001 LS V8 Sport, Diamond White w/ tan interior. Totally disappointed in the car and vowed never to buy/lease another Ford product. For starters, the tranny wasn’t very good as others have pointed out. The power and acceleration were lacking in my opinion, and the handling was mediocre at best. Fuel consumption was 15mpg. The interior had too many “Ford parts bin” cheapo parts from lesser priced Ford vehicles.

    On my car, the water pump went out, the radio/CD went out, and there were some other minor issues…all within 36,000 miles. Thankfully, it was leased so it got handed back to Ford Motor Credit.

  • avatar
    P71_CrownVic

    The MKS is sad. When a 2005 LS V8 Sport has 3 things that your latest flagship doesn’t (rear drive, V8 power and tasteful styling that doesn’t make you think Korea) you know your in trouble.

    Funny you mention Korea…because Hyundai’s new (proper) flagship has all of that.

    —————-

    But why didn’t they sell? They seem like they’re everything we asked of Detroit – a clean handsome design that handled well, with good power, and room for Americans inside.

    Same reason why the fantastic Buick Rainier with the 5.3 V8 never sold…it was WAY too much money…when new.

    —————–

    The MKS should have had a V8 – even if it was this V8 – so people could move on from the LS to the MKS without looking back.

    Even then, the MKTauruS still has (at least) one glaring deficiency…it is FWD.

    ——————

    I traded it for 2005 TL

    Great choice. Despite being FWD, I would rock a last-gen TL Type-S any day. Fantastic looking cars (so good in fact, Ford stole the headlights and used them in their MKTauruS)

    Interesting what RF had to say about the FWD TL:

    Front wheel drive sucks. Case in point: the Acura TL. Here’s a perfectly good car ruined by the simple fact that its front wheels have to steer and propel at the same time.

  • avatar

    Ken Elias:

    In 2003, Ford made 500– count ‘em 500– changes to the LS.

  • avatar
    BobJava

    It might have been a half-decent car in its time, but it wasn’t a good Lincoln. Why spend your time and resources in a vain attempt to be luxury-ish and sporty, when you built your rep on soft floaty luxo-rides? The former is done well by at least three others.

    I’m no BMW fan, but you can’t take Bimmers on with less. Stick to the easier Lexus/Buick market. I think time will show that Cadillac made this same mistake, but with more effort and money.

  • avatar
    Robert.Walter

    Funny, I remember that they wanted to compete head-to-head with BMW (internally, some called the D/EW98 platform the BMW-fighter) … so they imported a designer from Ford in Cologne named Helmut Schrader, so they could hype that it was good as a BMW because a german styled it … then they benchmarked like crazy … power tilt & telecope column, benchmarked in every aspect to be a world-beater (designed by a group of fresh-out college grads, FCG hi-pots, who copied the best of everything from everybody else, added massive cost into the product, and got a middling performing product which caused a recall when if, in worst-case, the driver pulled himself forward in car with the steering wheel, the upper half could separate and pull-out of the IP leaving the wheel and the upper half in the hands of a bewildered driver), and pricy suspension and fancy driveline with a single u-joint drive-shaft with huge SGF-torsional damper, aped after Lexus (but so expensive that it only made it under the retro M215 T-bird, and could not be used in the S197 Mustang and instead, S197 got the cheaper D/EW-lite solution …) and what of the Schraeder-designed exterior?

    Reminded me of the Mitsubishi sedan from 5-years earlier … in nearly every aspect, rear, fender shapes, even the front-end…

    Oh, and around that time, Nassar and Reitzle had dreams of competing head-to-head with BMW, and had another car in the programme plan … but this was cancelled (and then Reitzle bolted from Ford) … could it have been because (besides tight finances at the time) the LS made it clear that Lincon (in the words of Lloyd Bentsen) “you’re no BMW”??

  • avatar
    NulloModo

    The LS is an interesting case. The people who come in with them seem to love them, and when we get one traded in or find one at auction we can always sell it for a nice profit, which says something in today’s market. Personally, I’ve never been in love with them because they feel too small inside (similarly, having test driven a BMW 3 series, I thought the engine and handling were great, but having my head rub against the ceiling regularly was a deal breaker).

    Comparing the MKS and the LS may not be apples and oranges, but it is at least granny smith vs red delicious. The Town Car was the full on Lincoln flagship when the LS debuted, the LS was the more affordable and sportier Lincoln, the role the MKZ now occupies. The MKS is taking the reigns from the Town Car, and is a much larger car, which a much different focus than the late LS.

    Robert – you need to drive an MKS, and not one of the base ‘knocking on 40 large’ models, but one of the loaded ones for around $46K, as those are by far the most popular when it comes to what people are buying. Yes it is FWD, and yes it is a V6, but that V6 makes more power than the V8 in the LS, and holding onto the idea that RWD is the only true option is as backward as when Cadillac held onto the belief that all luxury cars had to weigh over two tons and be over 20 feet long.

    There are only two cheap feeling parts on the MKS – where the leather meets the plastic seat base, and that gosh darn shiny ‘LINCOLN’ on the center stack, the rest of the car feels as solid and well built as anything else in the price range. As for styling, yes, it’s subjective, but the vast number of people I’ve talked to who have seen it in person, love it.

  • avatar
    like.a.kite

    It’s too bad not even Ford can update for the segment by now.

  • avatar
    WaftableTorque

    I test drove an LS V8 right after it came out. Coming from a 1998 Camry I4, I thought the LS was a good car, but not a great car.

    The chassis rigidity was no better than a 1986 Taurus, the V8 had all the refinement and induction roar of a truck engine, and it was rather noisy for a luxury car. In comparison, my Camry was smooth, refined, better fit and finish, and quiet. A Camry!

    On the other hand, the transmission was well calibrated, the handling and ride quality was well engineered, and I appreciated it’s understated styling. A good effort, but not enough to conquer an import buyer.

  • avatar
    P71_CrownVic

    Why spend your time and resources in a vain attempt to be luxury-ish and sporty, when you built your rep on soft floaty luxo-rides?

    Funny…that is exactly what Ford has done with the MKtauruS.

    Lincoln has sunk from a legit Cadillac fighter…to a small threat to Buick. And Buick knows where to focus their resources. There are glaring omissions from the MKtauruS that are inexcusable. Like not having turn signal repeaters in the mirrors or an advanced suspension like the Magna ride that is in the Lucerne.

    Lincoln is a near-luxury brand……just.

  • avatar
    f8

    Haha, a V8 sedan with a 0-60 in the low 7s. This thing could get embarrassed by a Scion tC with 5-speed and a decent driver.

  • avatar
    Don Gammill

    The thing I remember the most about the Lincoln LS involves front-to-rear brake bias.

    Given Lincoln Division’s tendency toward massive front brake bias and the resulting nose-diving stopping behavior it fosters (espeically with soft springs & shocks, and a major front weight bias), the LS seemed to be the exception by always stopping flat and confidently (relative to its Blue Oval contemporaries, mind you).

    Sure, a lot of the credit for that goes to the 50-50 weight distribution, but I’ll bet more brake pressure was directed to the rear brakes on the LS than most other Ford vehicles produced during that time.

  • avatar
    John Horner

    Before buying my 2006 TSX I cast a wide net and test drove over a dozen possible choices, including the LS. I was underwhelmed by how little car Lincoln was offering for the money they were asking. At the time the car seemed to be $10k-$20k overpriced for what it was.

  • avatar
    John Horner

    The ’94-’97 Cadillac Seville (once it got the Northstar engine) was an excellent car for its time and category and wasn’t let down at all by being FWD. The companion Eldorado was a sweet ride as well. Somehow the ’98 redesign lost the plot.

    The notion that luxury cars need to be RWD is nonsense. The vast majority of owners are not going to be doing track-day antics with their luxury cars.

  • avatar
    Disaster

    The LS was too little, too late…or too much, too late, depending on how you look at it. The original concept was designed years before the car was released but the program was killed…several times. When it came back to life, tied to the Jaguar platform, the BMW wannabe styling started looking dated. On top of that, the new platform was fatter and therefore slower than the earlier concept. Despite these issues the LS pushed onward to production in 1999…a full 10 years after the initial drawings were penned.

    The LS also was released with a myriad of problems…some of them minor…others major…like a, not quite ready for prime time, new electronic transmission that had a tendency to hunt for gears…constantly. Coincidentally, this was the same time that Ford’s CEO, Jack Nasser, developed a Jack Welch manlovaffair and instituted a GE-like 6 Sigma quality program. Ford needed to fix the LS and find jobs for hundreds of fresh 6 Sigma trainees so off to the LS plant they went. This resulted in huge improvements in the LS’s quality, but alas, it was too late for the car and it was unceremoniously killed…a victim of it’s own ineptitude and Ford’s new “platform program” of which the LS/S platform was one of the first voted off the island.

    If you don’t mind the generic, I look like a BMW if you squint, styling, and you go for one of the later models, after the quality improvements, the LS is actually a pretty decent car, especially for the price that they can be found on the used market.

  • avatar
    guyincognito

    @ RF,

    “Fortunately, our tester’s black-on-black color scheme flattered the car’s lines, which wander the border between elegantly dignified and invisibly generic.”

    Oh come on, those lines looked down right striking on the 1995 Mitsubishi Diamante. Overall I think that was the Lincoln’s biggest failing. It was a great car. The Dew 98 platform was excellent and still underpins the Jag XF. The V8 was properly smooth and had a little grunt, and the ride was luxurious without being soft. After the $Billion Ford spent developing the platform, I hoped it would be refined and at least make it through more than 1 product cycle.

    @h82w8:

    You aren’t completely wrong. The Mustang started out as a Dew 98 but, in a perfect example of Ford’s out of control change management, it became so different by launch, it could no longer be considered the same platform.

  • avatar
    Disaster

    Braking bias is not what causes nose dives. If a car has poor braking bias it is more likely to be a control issue….for example too much rear bias will cause a car to spin out. Flatter handling comes from a combinaton of low Cg, springs, shocks and properly designed suspension geometry.

  • avatar
    relton

    I don’t know where the “British underpinnings” thing comes from. The car was designed and built right here in Michigan. I was in on part of it.

    Using the platform for a Jag was an afterthought, though one that worked out well.

    I would have had an LS had it not suffered from Ford’s “Women Marketing Scorecard” syndrome. That is, the car’s accommodations were greatly slanted towards short people. Ford used to act as though tall white guys were the scum of the earth and not wanted as customers. I think they’re over that now.

    The Mustang is another story. It was originally intended to be a DEW98 platform car, at least in the talking stages, which went on for half a decade. But the car eventually had its own platform, just to come to completion. I wrote a story about this a couple of years back for TTAC.

    Bob Elton

  • avatar
    jerseydevil

    I took a test drive in a V6 with a manual shifter – mosty cause of the novelty of the shifter. I found it a really nice car. The engine was powerful enough, and the shifting gears was “like buttah”. Totally pleasant car, befitting the Lincoln brand. Steering, braking, all done with no fuss or bother at all.

    I didnt buy it, it really is too big for my needs. But I still think its a cool car.

  • avatar
    Steven Lang

    I bought one last year for $4000. You’ve got that right. $4k. Some of the best deals you can have in the business can come from new car dealers who are trying to rid themselves of cars that do not represent their bread and butter clientele. I remeber the silver 2000 LS V8 Sport had come from a Toyota dealership. It had 87k and went through the usual 60 day period where it failed to be retailed before it sold at the auction.

    It was a great car but like most Lincolns, you had to feather it to get good gas mileage. If I had been looking for a 40,000 mile a year road car, the LS would have been given consideration. It was completely immaculate and was obviously well taken care of with new rubber to boot. The interior was a little plain and claustrophobic. But no worse than most other sporty models of that time. I ended up selling it to a fellow whose son actually works as a GM at one of the nearby auctions.

    Funny, I remember buying a 2005 Ford Freestar at the same sale from a VW dealer for below rough wholesale. Both cars exemplified my belief that you can get the best deals from retailers who are selling unusual metal on their lots during the end of the month.

  • avatar
    200k-min

    I have a good friend whose folks had rented an LS on several occasions for long road trips. At the time they were looking to replace their ancient LS400 and were strongly considering the Lincoln LS. When they learned it was RWD they balked and bought an S80. Why? Minnesota winters and rear wheel drive. The Blizzaks on the Lexus still didn’t keep it out of the ditch in their rural location. I’ve never had a huge problem with RWD in ice/snow but for Lincoln’s mostly older clientele it was a deal breaker in northern states. So…RWD might be more fun to drive, but it doesn’t always sell cars.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    P71_CrownVic :
    April 7th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    The MKS is sad. When a 2005 LS V8 Sport has 3 things that your latest flagship doesn’t (rear drive, V8 power and tasteful styling that doesn’t make you think Korea) you know your in trouble.

    Funny you mention Korea…because Hyundai’s new (proper) flagship has all of that.

    The Genesis does have rear drive and V8 power but it is snoozefest to look at and is a blatent rip off of other manufacturers in plain derivative styling much like the new MKS.

  • avatar
    geeber

    P71_CrownVic: Lincoln has sunk from a legit Cadillac fighter…to a small threat to Buick.

    Cadillac isn’t much of a threat to anyone, either. Neither, for that matter, is Buick.

    John Horner: The ‘94-’97 Cadillac Seville (once it got the Northstar engine) was an excellent car for its time and category and wasn’t let down at all by being FWD.

    That generation of Seville was a handsome car, but the Northstar V-8 has been a problematic engine. A fair number of them have been dying at around the 100,000-mile mark.

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    psarhjinian

    It was a nice car to drive in most trims, and the LS V8 Sport could easily discomfit an E39 540i, but damn, was it cramped inside. I’m sure it was probably wide enough, but the roof was maddeningly low, especially with the mandatory sunroof, and legroom in the rear was kind of sad for such a large car.

    The materials and quality did improve after the refresh, but like a lot of good-to-excellent Fords (Focus, original Taurus, Five Hundred/Taurus/X, Escape) it got no marketing support and little love from engineering. Pity, because it was just getting momentum: CR had placed it above many of it’s competition in it’s rankings, and it was starting to cement a reputation as a legitimate Bimmer beater, especially after the wailing an gnashing of teeth the met the new 5-Series.

  • avatar
    oldyak

    I cant believe you would even be interested in it…..
    other than to….
    cant go there

  • avatar
    Cowspots

    I recently acquired a Lincoln LS V8 and it is a nice driving car. In 8,000 miles I have replaced the OEM battery, tires and a throttle body coolant hose which I mistook for a bad water pump. This car was well maintained mostly by FORD/Lincoln dealerships. I’m going to drive it from KY to FL for Thanksgiving and see how it does on a 2,200 mile trip. City mileage is usually around 20mpg and highway 26+mpg. The car will run on 89 to 91 octane gas fine, but mileage will be slightly less. I’ve owned BMW, AUDI and VW and the LS V8 compares as a good world class sedan. It’s a shame FORD abandoned the platform.


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