By on October 28, 2008

This morning I rolled out of bed, performed my morning ablutions, downed a bowl of Raisin Bran, dropped my sons off at school and started my stop-and-go commute to work. A never-ending stream of blinking taillights precedes me up and down the interstate through the pre-dawn din. Wannabe comedians inanely chatter and squawk through my radio. Finally my exit arrives: a lightly traveled mile-long arcing two-lane spur that connects interstate to turnpike. In a brief burst of adrenaline energy that widens my bleary eyes, I break away from the gridlock and shoot up the ramp. In third gear I push up to 80 mph as my car confidently hunches down and steers precisely through the sweeping turn. By the time I join the turnpike I coast down and assimilate into the flow of the traffic. These brief thrills make me glad that I opted for a sportier, nimble handling family sedan. But I drive an ’01 Accord. The 2009 Accord LX is no fun at all.

I make this assessment in the context of a four-car comparison, including the Toyota Camry, Mazda Mazda6 Sport, and Nissan Altima 2.5. [NB: domestic comparo to follow.] In these trying times, economy is the word. So I selected economical base model four-door four-banger examples rather than up-optioned V6 variants. In keeping with the family-hauler theme, the only options I insisted on were A/C, power door locks and windows and an automatic transmission, all of which are now standard fare at dealerships.

When it comes to the battle of the bulge, the Accord takes the cake– and eats it. At 194.1” in length and 72.7” in width, the ’09 Accord edges out the new supersized Mazda6 as the biggest of the bunch. This is a distinction that philosophically clashes with Honda’s long standing reputation for minimalist restraint.

Also in conflict: the Accord’s styling. Designers clearly wanted to project solidity and practicality. At the same time, they seemed desperately intent on avoiding pejorative blandness. Throw in a dash of Bavarian me-too-ism and you end up with a bad case of Japanese angst. The new grille takes on the blockier form motif lifted from the new Pilot. Meanwhile, deep but narrow cuts scar the car’s lateral lines.

Yet, the longer I look at the new form, the more it grows on me. Honda fans can take some solace in the fact that the new Accord is much easier on the eyes than arch rival Camry.

A large exterior allows room for a large interior, of which Honda takes full advantage. The Accord gives passengers an extra four cubic feet of space to inhabit. All Accord trim levels get radio controls placed on the steering wheel and an auxiliary audio jack under the center arm rest for your iPod. But the stereo itself fails to impress; it’s the thinnest sounding system amongst this family sedan grouping. It’s a deficit the Accord can ill afford; the Accord does the worst job of our quartet at silencing road noise.

The Accord’s large and easily navigated buttonry arrayed up the dash’s center stack lacks the same qualitative look and feel of prior generation Accords. No, Honda hasn’t fallen to Chrysler levels of cheapness when it comes to component plastics. Not even close. But it’s a disturbing trend.

What looks good on paper doesn’t always translate well in the real world. The Accord LX is a perfect example. Honda claims 177 hp, the most highly horsed sedan of the bunch. A 3,289 lbs., it’s the second-lightest. Yet it drives like it is 500 lbs. heavier than any of the others. Punch the engine at 50 mph and the journey to 80 mph is slow and ponderous. Even the Camry seems to move with greater alacrity. Blame this on the low torque engine, which ties Camry for weakest twist at 161 lb-ft @ 4300 rpms. Peak horsepower doesn’t eek-out until hitting a screaming 6500 rpms.

Unlike the Toyota, however, the Accord manages to keep its composure through high speed cornering. That weighty feeling returns when you stomp on the brakes, though. Hop on the pedal and the rear end bucks upward like a mad brahma. The standard four-wheel disk brakes are much improved over prior LX iterations, but softness still contributes to the illusion of heaviness.

At the end of the day when I drove home I listen to an old Police favorite:

Another working day has ended,
Only the rush hour hell to face,
Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes,
Contestants in a suicidal race,
Daddy grips the wheel and stares alone into the distance…

Any characteristics that the Accord once had that could infuse some excitement into a bleak commute have been engineered away. Comfortable yes. Satisfying no.

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49 Comments on “Comparison Test/Review: Third Place: 2009 Honda Accord LX...”


  • avatar
    Beelzebubba

    I’m saddened by the oversized, anti-Honda that the Accord has become. Even the design of the dashboard controls seems as if the goal was to make the interior as counter-intuitive and visually cluttered as possible!

    The wonky, suppository-shaped Civic with it’s overly high-tech, Mr.Roboto interior was the first nail in the coffin. Sadly, the Accord has followed suit…

    I’ve been driving for 20 years and from my first vehicle back in 1989, I proudly owned a Honda and adored each one of them. Through December 2005, I had owned nine different vehicles and they were all Hondas. After seeing and driving the ’06 Civic, car #10 was my first non-Honda purchase- a Mazda3 5-door. Reading the review of this Accord makes it clear that my next car won’t be a Honda either. If they continue in their current direction, it’s very likely that I may never own a Honda again!

    They just don’t make ‘em like they used to!

  • avatar
    SupaMan

    The ride in this Accord is very interesting. The same solid feeling of previous Accords is there along with quick moves, it just feels a tad bit heavier accomplishing those moves. I will admit however, that there are far more buttons on the console than there used to be. The engine not sounds just as it did and, notable to Hondas, you have to wring the engine to get any forward motion going (fine by me by the way).

    The looks have grown on me as I now consider the Accord to be better looking than the bloated Camry (though not as sharp as the redesigned Mazda6). I predict the Mazda will take the top spot in this shootout.

  • avatar
    Karaya1

    No, they do still make them like they used to. Honda has just responded to consumer demand by super sizing everything. So, when shopping for a new Honda;

    If you always liked Civics – check out the Fit,

    If you always liked Accords – test drive a new Civic,

    If you always liked Buicks – buy a new Accord!

    I have owned a ’84 Accord, ’90 Acura Integra, ’99 Civic Si and a ’04 Subaru WRX. I now drive a ’08 Civic Si and the old Honda magic is still there. Crazy, rev happy engine, slick tranny, what seems to me like a generous amount of luxury and room, and 32 mpg commuting to work.

  • avatar
    JJ

    Shame, since Honda is among my favourites amongst the makers of “normal cars” (BMW, Honda, Alfa Romeo) just because they offer a more engaging, more sporty ride.

    Anyone notice the rear looks exactly like an Audi A6 sedan?

    Also, without that extra cease on the sides it would look a whole lot better.

    I think on the 3 series the cease actually makes it a better design. But here, probably it starts a little bit too high on the front and doesn’t really swoop downwards towards the taillights, which almost makes it look like some miscreants sliced it with a knife instead of an intentional design feature.

  • avatar
    unregular

    are those “bucket” seats perfectly flat or is that a camera trick?

  • avatar
    200k-min

    I’m starting to think that Honda won’t be able to come out with a new design I like before my old Accord has to go off to car heaven. But the competition doesn’t offer much either. What’s a guy like me to do?

  • avatar
    Gottleib

    I have always liked Honda’s previous model to the new redesigned model and this is no exception. In fact I still think the 98-02 model and the 93-97 models were their best. Guess I would look at the Civic if I wanted a Honda which I don’t.

  • avatar
    carguy622

    Those upgraded 4-wheel disc brakes are probably going to be warped within 5,000 miles. Honda is notorious for putting undersized braking systems on their vehicles. My 2004 Accord had to have all 4 rotors replaced at 1,400 miles, that was definitely a defect, however, the new rotors were starting to shimmy only 5,000 miles later. Now with the Accord weighing even more the brakes will take more of a beating.

    Honda, come back from the brink of insanity, downsize the new Accord like Nissan did with the Altima. Stop trying to be substantial and Germanic, just be a Honda!

  • avatar
    rtt108

    Ever since Honda started with the California design studios, and started making US specific varients, thier cars have gone downhill FAST! Not in quality, just in styling stupidity.

    When the 06 Civic came out I rushed out to buy the last of the 05s. I’m very happy I did so. I still can’t adjust to the ugly nose and horrific dashboard layout of the new model.

    The US Accord is just another example of tayloring a decent car to the more fat lazy and stupid among us. (Yes they REALLY did make the seats wider and flatter to better fit the American fat *ss) The contrast was more visible when comparing the previous Accord to the previous Acura TSX, which was the European Accord. (The new TSX seems to have been Americanified … ick)

    I still am very much a Honda fan, But I think I need to limit myself to Hondas that were designed for the world market, and avoid any Honda targeted at the USDM.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    The new grille takes on the blockier form motif lifted from the new Pilot.

    Spot on.

    I’ve been calling this car the Ridgeline Sedan since it first debuted, though the comparison to Pilot might not be apropos, since the Accord precedes it by a year. Honda (along with GM) have taken a page out of the “everything must look like a truck” design book that Chrysler debuted with the LX cars.

    America likes trucks, ergo America wants cars that look like trucks. I’m afraid to see the next Civic.

    Yet, the longer I look at the new form, the more it grows on me. Honda fans can take some solace in the fact that the new Accord is much easier on the eyes than arch rival Camry.

    I’m not sure about this. The Camry has a certain cleanliness about it; the Accord seems overly busy. I think the Camry will, eventually, bland out, while the Accord will look tackier as the years draw by.

    But that’s just me.

    But the stereo itself fails to impress; it’s the thinnest sounding system amongst this family sedan grouping.

    Common Honda complaint. Toyota and Nissan have always shipped very good stereos, Mazda’s have been so-so and Honda’s are outright awful. It was acceptable back when we were talking about 6G Civics and Accords that saw their head units and speakers swapped about six days post-purchase, but the massive, integrated systems in current cars make the effectively impossible.

    It’s a deficit the Accord can ill afford; the Accord does the worst job of our quartet at silencing road noise.

    Another common Honda complaint. I personally don’t mind, but the sense of lightness in most Hondas seems to go hand-in-hand with road noise.

    The standard four-wheel disk brakes are much improved over prior LX iterations, but softness still contributes to the illusion of heaviness

    Again, another common Honda complaint: poorly-tuned brakes and, usually, less-than-stellar tires. Again, the opposite of Toyota, which usually equips their cars with very good tires and generally post good, solid brake feel backed up by excellent braking numbers.

    Now, all that said, I like the car. For it’s size, it’s fun to drive and economical to run. Were I in this market, and if the Taurus wasn’t just as reliable and a screaming deal to boot, I think this is the one I’d pick.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    When the 06 Civic came out I rushed out to buy the last of the 05s. I’m very happy I did so. I still can’t adjust to the ugly nose and horrific dashboard layout of the new model.

    The Civic isn’t actually styled for North America, specifically. Have a look at the Canadian Acura CSX if you want to see what the Japanese model looks like.

  • avatar
    rtt108

    The Civic isn’t actually styled for North America, specifically. Have a look at the Canadian Acura CSX if you want to see what the Japanese model looks like.

    The last time I looked Canada was part of North America … and the CSX is a Civic, with more options.

    I guess I’m comparing the NA Civic to the European Civic. I’m not sure what they sell in Asia under the Civic nameplate.

    But regardless … comparing what Honda sells in the USA to what is sold in, say, Germany, we get pretty poor excuses for cars.

  • avatar
    menno

    Are you going to test the Hyundai Sonata as a Domestic?

    They’re manufactured in Alabama, after all.

    Wheras the Ford whatchamalit (Fusion?) is actually built in Mexico.

    Just checkin’…. (tongue in cheek, knowing full well the popular Sonata has been ignored again).

    No I don’t work for Hyundai!

  • avatar
    doctorv8

    Great review, Bill, but a nitpick:

    until hitting a screaming 6500 rpms

    “rpm” already has the plural built into it…revolutions per minute. The “s” is superfluous.

    (anal mode off)

  • avatar
    Karaya1

    rtt108 wrote;
    “When the 06 Civic came out I rushed out to buy the last of the 05s. I’m very happy I did so. I still can’t adjust to the ugly nose and horrific dashboard layout of the new model.”

    Really!? My wife has a ’04 Civic Si. I have an ’08 Civic Si. We both think the ’08 is a superior car in every way, except in not having a hatchback, otherwise it is quicker, quiter, rides better, roomier and gets equal, or slightly better, fuel economy. As for the funky dash, well I was skeptical at first, but after a couple of months of use I have to admit it works. The ultra wedge shape and dash may not be pretty, but form following function is a good Honda tradition.

    “The US Accord is just another example of tayloring a decent car to the more fat lazy and stupid among us. (Yes they REALLY did make the seats wider and flatter to better fit the American fat *ss)”

    I would not have put it in such an offensive way, but I guess I must agree. In my own extended family my cousin ( a single urban girl) had a ’84 Civic hatchback with a 5spd. She sold it and bought a Jeep pickup – because she liked the feeling of sitting up high! WTF! Bad move. My sister in law had a ’94 Civic hatchback 5spd that she never warmed to. Well, her 300# plus hubby kept wrecking the seats, the kids in the ‘hood’ kept stealing parts off of it and it never saw the inside of a Honda dealer’s service bay. She now needs a new car, and when we suggested she check out the Fit, she said it would be too small for her and her 3 boys. Well, she may be rite, but only because her 2 teenage (13 and 15) boys are in the 200-250# range. ‘Super sized’ American fast food families may not fit in world market sized cars.

    “I still am very much a Honda fan, But I think I need to limit myself to Hondas that were designed for the world market, and avoid any Honda targeted at the USDM.”

    I more or less agree. Honda made it’s name with small, light, fun to drive, yet fuel efficient cars in the eighties and nineties. For this formula to really work you have to accept a relatively small car with a relatively small high revving engine and a manual transmission. In this sense the only ‘true’ Hondas on the American market are the Fits, Civics and TSXs with manual trannies. Everything else in the lineup is, more or less, an adaptation meant to appeal to peculiar American tastes and irrational ‘lifestyle’ choices.

  • avatar

    Interesting to read you evaluation as the owner of a 2001. After driving the Mazda6, I wanted to take another 2008 Accord for a test drive, but never got around to it. Seems you’ve handled that for me.

    On the reliability front, Hondas sometimes have messy launches these days. But, aside from a small number of complaints surrounding the VCM in the V6, few repairs have been reported for the 2008 Accord on TrueDelta’s surveys–and we have responses from over 100 owners in this case.

    http://www.truedelta.com/latest_results.php

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    The last time I looked Canada was part of North America … and the CSX is a Civic, with more options.

    True, but what the CSX, like the EL before it, actually is is a JDM Civic sedan.

    I’d agree with the issues of Americanizing Honda’s lineup, save for two points:
    * The Fit*, Civic** and CRV don’t fall into this category. They’re more or less the same cars everywhere they’re sold.
    * You can’t argue with the results, at least in terms of sales.

    Americans want to buy the same car they bought before, only bigger and nicer. Thusly, the person who bought a Camry in 1983 kept buying Camrys, and Toyota kept making them bigger and nicer. If that Camry buyer had instead moved to a Cressida or Avalon, perhaps we wouldn’t have this issue, but American buyers can be even more badge-loyal than brand-loyal.

    Case in point: my grandfather’s extreme annoyance at the discontinuation of the Buick Regal. He’d been buying them for as long as I can recall, and no amount of “the Allure is the same car” would placate him.

    * (yes, the American car has a longer nose)
    ** (yes, we don’t get the hatch here, but the sedan is the same in Europe and Asia)

  • avatar
    poltergeist

    FWIW the car in the pictures is not a “base model” but the next step up LX-P.

    No doubt the ’01 Accord is a more nimble car than the ’09, but by the same token my Dad’s pristine ’88 Accord LXi 5sp will run circles around an ’01 on a twisty road. 99% of the people that buy these cars could care less. In fact many complain that Honda’s “ride too harsh”. Seems most want Honda to follow Toyota into being a Japanese Buick. I don’t like it either, but that’s why I own a 1st gen TSX (which from what I understand out-handles the 2nd gen).

  • avatar
    N85523

    This car is 8 inches shorter than a Yukon.

    Also, the width figure in the review is listed as length.

  • avatar
    Frayed Knot

    The new grille takes on the blockier form motif lifted from the new Pilot.

    Well, at least the car comes with its own HDMI port.

  • avatar
    autonut

    I’ve test drove Accord with 5 speed manual and I didn’t observe any excessive weight penalty or brakes inadequacy. Perhaps helpful were extra 10-12 ponies under the hood of EX, but it was also a few pounds heftier. With “manly” shifter this car is really delightful, albeit sizable to navigate. However, it is not larger then Audi 6, handles as well and you cant tell the difference between Accord I4 and V6 in Audi with manual transmission. Oh yes, is it about half the coin? The interior looks like fallopian tubes and this is not pretty site.

  • avatar
    26theone

    Ive owned a Honda Accord for 9 years and an Acura Integra for 10 years. I will never forget the sound of that lugging engine when you mash the throttle and have virtually no torque. You had to keep that Integra near the redline to get any power out of it. Driving your car at near 7k rpm gets kinda old after a while. Really only buy this car if you are looknig for a comfortable cruiser. If you are expecting performance you will be in for a let down.

  • avatar
    blautens

    I agree with the earlier poster – if you abhor the upsizing of the Accord, buy a Civic (and so on – hate the bigger Civic? – get a Fit).

    I will say, I do like the exhaust note of the 4 cylinder matched to the manual tranny.

    But it does look like they cut a few corners on interior materials (particularly door panels and in the back). But that seems to be an unfortunate trend among all manufacturers of mass market cars. And no touch screen NAV? Are you kidding – the CRV has one!

    But still, this is a competitive mass market car, in a competitive mass market segment. Certainly worthy of shopping.

  • avatar
    barberoux

    I’ve driven a new Camry and an Accord and I agree the Accord is more fun to drive, tighter suspension, relatively, but the Camry is quieter. Both were very well put together. Both are boring suburban commuter cars but they do that job superbly. I also agree that the Sonata should have been included. I see lots of them on the road. After the glowing review of the Genesis I am curious how Hyundai would measure up. I drove a Malibu and unfortunately, if it was included in this group, given the ratings so far, I would rate it a far fifth place. It is an OK car but the suspension is way too soft and interior so-so, plus the heater control knob whistled!?

  • avatar

    I am baffled by the people who think the Accord is better-looking than the current Camry. I don’t find the Camry attractive, but it doesn’t hurt me to look at it, which the Accord does. The Accord is Tor Johnson ugly.

  • avatar
    Gary Numan

    Perhaps the Hyundai Sonata is the new defacto replacement for all things formerly Accord? Price, size, warranty, etc. The Hyundai doesn’t have the “cachet” yet of all the former and recent years of owning a Honda or Accord but if Hyundai keeps charting their course, they may well take the crown from the Accord. Honda may have “Jumped the Shark” with their latest versions of the Civic, Accord and CR-V. Im in agreement with the earlier post about the Mr. Roboto interior and exterior styling as a non-plus now and probably worse as the years weather on as they become used. Also problematic is recent transmission warranty/service snafu’s Honda has thrust upon existing Accord owners casting major concerns and doubt about two of the key reasons supporting the brand and carline, that of reliability and good service. Thus, trendy styling, bloated size and weight, gee-whiz kiddie interiors and questionable service reliability will cast the death knell upon one of the better brands and its key carline in the marketplace if they don’t get serious asap.

  • avatar
    hurls

    I’m about the third person to say that what I really want is an accord that’s the size and weight and shares at least some of the handling characteristics of the first gen TSX. My ’06 is going back to honda finance next summer and I have NO IDEA what to get to replace it (the new TSX seems to have the same downsides as the accord)…

    Oh well, let’s see where the 6 comes out in your testing or I may have to shell out serious cash for an audi or something :)

  • avatar
    oldlt43

    argentia……

    I hate to admit that I actually remember who Tor Johnson was. Great comparison, although I’m sure there’s a chorus of “Tor Who?” going on out there.

  • avatar
    BEAT

    I always like the Honda Accord especially the new model.

    It doesn’t lool like the old Accord but the bad part is that it’s a V6. Honda can built a 4 cylinder that can have 300 hp like the Evo X.

    Great for a consumer who is looking for realibilty and durability.

    Just like what Top Gear said if you want a car that will last longer than you buy a Honda.

    Believe me TTAC fans The New Accord doesn’t look Ugly.

    Listen to a kid will you!!!

  • avatar
    unregular

    BEAT… what?

  • avatar

    My girlfriend bought a 2008 Honda Accord Sedan to the tune of $31,000 fully loaded with V6, Navigation, Heated Leather and moonroof.

    Unlike the first poster, I am actually happy to see the Accord become a large mid-sized sedan.

    The Accord is much more spacious and much meatier than previous accords (though the last generation had more space for taller drivers I noticed) and with all its options it is a very good deal for people not quite financialy ready to buy a 5 series or a C-class or a CTS.

    If you’re a smaller person than me (I’m 6’7), the Accord feels as spacious as a 5-series and just as luxurious when you opt for wood inserts.
    The plastics feel cheap, but the steering wheel feels great.

    The only thing setting the interior back is an overly pedantic button design for the Navigation/Radio and steering. Hyundai and Nissan did it way better.

    The V6 is powerful and ZIPPY. The 190HP I4 isn’t very bad if you live in crowded Manhattan and you are in bumper-bumper so much you don’t get to let her out much.

    Whether you’re a rich elitist or a lower middle classer just getting your first taste of luxury cars, there really isn’t another car on the market that gives you the low cost and the “feeling” of “not skimping” that the Accord gives you for under $32,000.

    I personally own a S550 and a Chrysler 300. Because I’m so tall, I need LARGE cars. I don’t fit in the 08 Accord as well as I do the 07 Accord so I could never get this car for myself.

    http://www.300cforums.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=17422

  • avatar
    mikeolan

    @Flashpoint – just about all of these cars are plenty comfortable for taller drivers, especially the last gen Accord.

    The added space is superfluous.

  • avatar
    Beelzebubba

    200k-min :
    October 28th, 2008 at 9:20 am

    “I’m starting to think that Honda won’t be able to come out with a new design I like before my old Accord has to go off to car heaven. But the competition doesn’t offer much either. What’s a guy like me to do?”

    Recently, I started keeping an eye out for an ’06 or ’07 Accord LX V6 Sedan in one of the few color choices that I like! Most late-model Accord buyers gravitate toward the EX-L V6, so LX V6 models are a steal in comparison. From the outside, it’s almost impossible to tell an EX-L V6 from a LX V6- same 17″ wheels, same sunroof, same body-color trim pieces. For the ’08 model, they renamed the LX V6 to the EX V6 (non-leather). The other perk of the LX V6- with the ivory interior, the EX-L has woodgrain trim on the center console and dash. For the LX V6, it’s just flat black trim in those areas! I hate faux-wood!

    The ’07 Accord and ’08 Acura TSX were the last Hondas that really drove and felt the way I expect a Honda to feel! =(

  • avatar
    Beelzebubba

    After carefully examining the exterior design of the Camry and Accord, I can only think of one question- “Was that on purpose?”

    The new Mazda6 is the sexy supermodel in a room full of homely girls! The Altima is unique-looking and less offensive than the Camry and Accord.

    I never thought I’d say this, but the most tasteful design in the mid-size segment comes to us courtesy of South Korea- the Hyundai Sonata! I’d buy one over a Camry or Accord without reservation…might even choose it over an Altima!

  • avatar
    mxfive4

    In these trying times, economy is the word. So I selected economical base model four-door four-banger examples rather than up-optioned V6 variants.

    Yet you failed to give any mileage figures.

    I would think that this should be standard for all TTAC reviews at this point… don’t you guys?

    While we are on TTAC generalities – I think you guys need a better web template for comparison tests – this is a bit lame – especially since there isn’t a link to the other segments.

    Finally what’s with the slow leak comparison? It’s the web – why do we have to wait for 1st and 2nd place?

  • avatar
    mikeolan

    @Beelzebubba :

    The Sonata? Really? I can’t even remember what the Sonata looks like.

    I’d say the best design is probably the handsome Ford Fusion, though I’d still take an Altima or 6 first. It has the same tight proportions of the also-hecho-en-mexico Mk4 Jetta, though my guess is it’s a bit more reliable (and the interior’s a little worse.)

    @William Montgomery: I agree, I’m fine with holding off each review for each day, but you might as well publish the results upfront so we get an idea of your metrics. It’s a moot point as of now, as we’ll know tomorrow the last 2 positions.

  • avatar
    Michael Ayoub

    If you guys want to drive a Honda that drives like a Honda should, go drive an S2000. I guarantee you the feeling is still there.

    I still miss mine.

  • avatar
    M20E30

    This is a far cry from the 3rd Gen. Accord. This car has been in a downward spiral for a LONG time.

  • avatar

    @mikeolan :

    I beg to differ. The Accord does not have as much interior space for taller drivers over 6’5 as you’d like to think. Granted that is an “ODD” or above average size, but I’m just saying, its not as spacious for people my size and therefore, I would NEVER BUY ONE.

    I do however think, for people under 6″ its HUGE.

    The cut of the door sills, the height of the cieling and the position of the seats make it hard to get in and recline for me.

    My Chrysler 300 is WAY better. Furthermore the electronics are EASIER TO USE. I can input addresses WAY faster than an Accord user. I can make bluetooth calls WAY easier. The Accord’s voice recognition SUCKS.

  • avatar
    Beelzebubba

    I still can’t get over the dashboard controls and design! It looks as though the designers used a BMW dash for inspiration and added some of their own bad ideas….the only way it could get worse is for an iDrive controller to pop up in the middle! Did all the guys responsible for decades of the most ergonomic interiors all retire right before this Accord was designed???

    Regarding the mediocre sound system, the even sadder fact is the same 160-watt stereo is also standard on EX and even EX V6 models!!! They get a 6-disc changer added, but that just means you can listen to six more albums sounding really weak!

    Only the EX-L and EX-L V6 get an upgrade to a 7-speaker 270-watt system. I’ve heard this system before and it would be adequate for the lower models. For the feature content and quasi-entry-level-luxury position of the EX-L models, it isn’t even vaguely impressive. Even the 270-watt version is outclassed by the standard setup of most other makes. It’s a joke compared to the Bose option in the Altima or Mazda6!!!

    I remember back in ’93 when bought my first new car, a ’93 Civic VX 3-door. It came with NO radio (or right hand mirror, or clock, or armrest……) and I stupidly wanted a Honda system because it would look nicer than an aftermarket one….so I spent $300 on the middle AM/FM cassette from the accessories catalog, then installed that bad boy with two front speakers…..never got around to getting back ones……given the 16-years of technology since then, it looks like not much has changed in the world of Honda sound! lol

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    I personally own a S550 and a Chrysler 300. Because I’m so tall, I need LARGE cars.

    Heh. I’m an inch and half taller than you and I drive a Honda Fit.

    Now, truthfully, how you’re tall makes a big difference: I’m long of torso and arm and short of leg. Your measurements may vary.

  • avatar
    slingshot

    I puchased the 6 cylinder in June and I am getting 25 mpg to 27 mpg with 9,000 miles to date. There have been no reliabilty issues at all. (Until the new Mazda 6 has some sort of record I would be leary of purchasing it. Just traded in a Mazda Millenia S to purchase the Accord.)

    The four cylinder engines are much too weak for this car. The noise level is the major problem with this car. A PT Cruiser for example is much quieter. As noted above the 270 watt stereo system is also poor.

    On the other hand it is a very solid car and the acceleration is very brisk. I can understand why prior Accord owners don’t like it; it is a much larger vehicle. On the other hand, I am not sure why one would buy a large American car when this one is available for short money.

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    WMLAW

    I bough my wife a new ’07 Accord after the ’80’s came out. Even the ’07 is a very big car by my standards. I have no power complaints with the 4 cyl/5 speed, but it is definitely a commuter. When buying myself a new car this year I considered an ’09 EX-L 6 cyl, but after driving many different cars I decided on a smaller sport oriented sedan (BMW 328i).

    I think cheaper versions of the Honda line represent excellent value, but when you get into highly optioned cars I think there are better values out there.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    The new Accord follows the usual super size me tradition of us fat dumb lazy americans. Problem is the new Accord takes familiar Germanic and Asian design cues and gets them all wrong, adds a goofy looking dash with too many fat silly looking buttons, uncomfortable seats, lots of road noise, lazy 4 cylinder response and a poor sound system and passes it off as a whopper with extra cheese. I was much more impressed with a 5 speed stick Fusion SE and the new Malibu with 6 speed automatic in LTZ trim overall. They were quieter and more fun to drive, were less expensive with as transacted prices, had much better looking and feeling interiors and the Malibu has a superior powertrain warranty to boot. Color me unimpressed overall with the new whopper sized Accord.

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    Accords

    Ahhhh *sighs happily*

    Man…
    THIS.. is why I come to TTAC.

    I picked up my first Accord, a 92 with 158k because I wanted a vehicle larger than my mom’s 88 Civic. Long story short.. both vehicles eventually passed away and the torch for me was passed onto a 00 Accord.

    Longer story shorter..
    I loved my first Accord, (besides the whole first car love thing..)
    The car sat low. Had resonably decent cornering.. and the interior was a red mousefur, and the dash was decent for the time.

    Fast forward to my 00, and my Accord is everything it should be.
    Decent fuel economy. Decent power (2.3 ltr I-4, pushing about 150hp). Decent simple dash layout

    I didn’t move fast enough to pick up the 7th Gen Accord.. whom Ive have a mad fetish for. But I drive 138k a DAY and about 25k a yr. If I picked up a 7th gen car used.. it wouldn’t live too long.

    My next car… and Ive been eying this for a while.. is a 2010 Mazda 3 hatch. I’ve seen the new Accord, and I refuse to drive it. I ACTALLY DRIVE and I expect the car to cover my ass.

    The Accord (within 2-3in.) is approaching Crown Vic terroritory and the motor was decent for the 4cycl 5yrs ago, even 9yrs ago.. but this is getting old. They need to stop pushing the weight up.. and wringing more power out of the 4cycl.. only to be saddled with a even larger car because as good economically as the 4cycl is.. ya not going to do much when strapped to the current gen HEFFER.

    And I do love the Accord.. but the current gen.. is really aggravating me.

    I refuse to look at Camry, (I spit at you)
    I refuse to look at Altima.. (cause I hunger for an SE-R.)
    I refuse to look at Malibu (Hawks a loogie in its direction- I’d rather die in a horrible chemical accident, involving quadropelegics and baby seals while eating rare and uncooked PORK, than drive that RAGING DOMESTIC P.O.S)

    And Fusion.. please. Don’t insult me. If I wanted a Ford.. Id check out the Holden Commodore competitor down in Austrailia.. and drool over a car I cant have.

    Or at least the MONDEO.. in a nice tightly built hatch.

    Forget Chrapsler.
    Forget VW.

    Even the Mazda 6.. is catering to the US-as-a-fat-ass-nation-with-no-good-looks-or-a hatch.

    Which leaves my options.. down to almost nil.. enter the Mazda 3 hatch.

    Good looking..
    (Decent interior, if ya excuse the new recall on the wiring harness)

    And a hatch.. that a mother could love, if she knew that AWD and seating for 6 or 9 is a bad thing, when most times.. the vehicle is empty!

    As for Accords…
    I will keep a good CLOSE eye on them.. but wont bother touching them… not now, not for a while.

  • avatar
    ACAR

    Honda Accord goes corpulent…
    mainly because Honda uses the same platform for the Acura TL. The TL needs a strong V6 and decent room to compete in the near luxury segment so Accord has to follow.

  • avatar
    Accords

    ACAR
    In case you didnt know..

    The Accord / TSX and TL virtually all use Honda’s 3.5+ltr V6 pushing about 275+hp.

    And each car mentioned.. would be faster with that same motor.. IF THEY LOST ABOUT 600LBS.

    There are few automakers that will use a large displacement motor in their mainstream cars. Nissan does it with their efficient 3.5. Dodge does it with their 5.7 ltr motor in their Charger / 300.

    They do need to have variable intake and exhaust.. but efficient engines isn’t the end-to-be-all.

    Lighter CARS, (and not using highest tech metals as their frames) lighter as in.. take Accord back to 3200lbs. Take the largest sedans back to 3100 / 3200 / 3300.. its crazy to have 3600lbs as an average weight for a sedan

  • avatar
    rebelsnoopy

    “ACAR :
    May 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am

    Honda Accord goes corpulent…
    mainly because Honda uses the same platform for the Acura TL. The TL needs a strong V6 and decent room to compete in the near luxury segment so Accord has to follow.”

    This kind of makes sense. Honda wants to compete with Camry, Taurus, and the 300, and can’t do it if the Accord is not much bigger than the Civic.

    Americans haven’t been sold a true Accord in 10 years. We are actually driving rebadged Honda Inspires which share the same platform as the Acura TL.

    I’m guessing this has to cut into Acura TL sells if people could tell the difference, and payed less to get an Inspire/Accord.

    The Japanese/Euro version Accord is actually smaller and better for their markets, and more of what we are used to during the 90s.

    Perhaps they should sell the home market Accord here, and sell the larger Inspire in the states to compete with the midsize segment.

  • avatar
    Accords

    Hmmm..
    Its totally by accident that Accord is going to compete against 300 / 500 / Taurus. Its staring at Crown Vic / Avalon / ES.

    Getting to the point where Accord is too big to be a midsizer.


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