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		<title>By: hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For comparison a 1.8T Passat - with allegedly 170bhp - will do 32mpg on the highway at 60mph but that drops to 28mpg at 80mph. I really doubt you could get 40mpg at autobahn speeds from anything other than a diesel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->For comparison a 1.8T Passat &#8211; with allegedly 170bhp &#8211; will do 32mpg on the highway at 60mph but that drops to 28mpg at 80mph. I really doubt you could get 40mpg at autobahn speeds from anything other than a diesel.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joelaterdayz</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008-mercedes-benz-c180k-review/comment-page-2/#comment-651872</link>
		<dc:creator>joelaterdayz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>260 kph downhill?  Totally.  I was stationed at Vogelweh AIN outside of Kaiserlautern from 99-01.  While there I purchased my first car, a &#039;97 Dodge Stratus ES with a 2.4L four banger.  I regularly made trips to the Frankfurt Airport on the A6 to pick up incoming Airmen.  On the unlimited speed areas of the A6 I&#039;d regularly hit the governor at somewhere around 130mph (I&#039;m guessing since the speedo didn&#039;t go past 130).  The autobahn is engineered for speed; extremely smooth, low friction and has long, banking curves.  260kph downhill?  No sweat.  The downhills on the A6 are very, very long and pretty steep.  As for the cup holders, the Germans cannot fathom eating or drinking while driving.  Driving is the ultimate experience and all concentration must be completely focused upon it.  Would an American stop to take a sip from a big gulp or a bite from a  big mac in the middle of some sweet lovin&#039;?  Nevermind, don&#039;t answer that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->260 kph downhill?  Totally.  I was stationed at Vogelweh AIN outside of Kaiserlautern from 99-01.  While there I purchased my first car, a &#8216;97 Dodge Stratus ES with a 2.4L four banger.  I regularly made trips to the Frankfurt Airport on the A6 to pick up incoming Airmen.  On the unlimited speed areas of the A6 I&#8217;d regularly hit the governor at somewhere around 130mph (I&#8217;m guessing since the speedo didn&#8217;t go past 130).  The autobahn is engineered for speed; extremely smooth, low friction and has long, banking curves.  260kph downhill?  No sweat.  The downhills on the A6 are very, very long and pretty steep.  As for the cup holders, the Germans cannot fathom eating or drinking while driving.  Driving is the ultimate experience and all concentration must be completely focused upon it.  Would an American stop to take a sip from a big gulp or a bite from a  big mac in the middle of some sweet lovin&#8217;?  Nevermind, don&#8217;t answer that one.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Farago</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008-mercedes-benz-c180k-review/comment-page-2/#comment-650882</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Farago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;ghillie:

I think the word you want is “eminently” - meaning “very much so”&lt;/em&gt;

Damn! That one slipped though the net (so to speak).

Text amended. Thanks.</description>
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<p>I think the word you want is “eminently” &#8211; meaning “very much so”</em></p>
<p>Damn! That one slipped though the net (so to speak).</p>
<p>Text amended. Thanks.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: ghillie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The C180K feels imminently secure in its inexpensive roots&lt;/em&gt;

I think the word you want is &quot;eminently&quot; - meaning &quot;very much so&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><em>The C180K feels imminently secure in its inexpensive roots</em></p>
<p>I think the word you want is &#8220;eminently&#8221; &#8211; meaning &#8220;very much so&#8221;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: TEXN3</title>
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		<dc:creator>TEXN3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Mercedes on the autobahn is wonderful. You can truly feel and understand the difference between something like a Mercedes and a Ford (Mondeo in this case). My dad and I did the European Delivery in 2002 on an E430 4matic, after they moved up to Park City, UT and the E50 wouldn&#039;t suffice in winter there. The car flat out hauled. Of course, since it was a US-spec model it was limited to 128mph but it felt settled at that speed, where others are more comfortable in the 70-90mph range. And the handling for such a large and heavy car (with AWD no less) was superb, never felt unsettled and when you were going a bit too fast, it would just lean a little more and stay relatively nuetral.

My grandparents have a 98 540i Sport, and while it will cruise quite nicely, it doesn&#039;t seem as relaxed as the Mercedes. It&#039;s wanting to be run hard. 

All this talk, and I&#039;ve had my eye on an 84 300CD TD refreshed coupe. I don&#039;t think we can do an old Volvo 760 and an old Mercedes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->A Mercedes on the autobahn is wonderful. You can truly feel and understand the difference between something like a Mercedes and a Ford (Mondeo in this case). My dad and I did the European Delivery in 2002 on an E430 4matic, after they moved up to Park City, UT and the E50 wouldn&#8217;t suffice in winter there. The car flat out hauled. Of course, since it was a US-spec model it was limited to 128mph but it felt settled at that speed, where others are more comfortable in the 70-90mph range. And the handling for such a large and heavy car (with AWD no less) was superb, never felt unsettled and when you were going a bit too fast, it would just lean a little more and stay relatively nuetral.</p>
<p>My grandparents have a 98 540i Sport, and while it will cruise quite nicely, it doesn&#8217;t seem as relaxed as the Mercedes. It&#8217;s wanting to be run hard. </p>
<p>All this talk, and I&#8217;ve had my eye on an 84 300CD TD refreshed coupe. I don&#8217;t think we can do an old Volvo 760 and an old Mercedes.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: windnsea00</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;q cite&gt; With that all said, I’d like to try a Benz on the autobahn sometime. I generally prefer BMWs, but I’ve heard/read/been told that there is still nothing like a Benz at those speeds. BMW’s are great, but when you get up there, they say a Benz just somehow has the ability to hunker down and feel more stable than anything else. I’d like to try it. &lt;/q&gt;
Being a BMW nut, this would not surprise me seeing BMW will run a more aggressive negative camber/toe for better handling than MBZ which would at a higher speeds be a a slightly negative effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><q cite> With that all said, I’d like to try a Benz on the autobahn sometime. I generally prefer BMWs, but I’ve heard/read/been told that there is still nothing like a Benz at those speeds. BMW’s are great, but when you get up there, they say a Benz just somehow has the ability to hunker down and feel more stable than anything else. I’d like to try it. </q><br />
Being a BMW nut, this would not surprise me seeing BMW will run a more aggressive negative camber/toe for better handling than MBZ which would at a higher speeds be a a slightly negative effect.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: SD</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Topdog

Take a look on mobile.de, there&#039;s a company in the us that sells american BMW and Merc in Germany (through the Netherlands if i remember correctly). They are indeed quite cheaper but don&#039;t forget to add extra €&#039;s for their europeanisation.</description>
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<p>Take a look on mobile.de, there&#8217;s a company in the us that sells american BMW and Merc in Germany (through the Netherlands if i remember correctly). They are indeed quite cheaper but don&#8217;t forget to add extra €&#8217;s for their europeanisation.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: joeaverage</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeaverage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slick car and right mileage (30+ mpg at highway speeds). My grandmother Buick 3.1V6 also gets the same mileage. 

FWIW We used to run the Italian autostrada at ~120 mph with a 90HP US-spec 1.8L VW Rabbit &#039;vert (same as a GTI). Mpg? I have no idea but better than I expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Slick car and right mileage (30+ mpg at highway speeds). My grandmother Buick 3.1V6 also gets the same mileage. </p>
<p>FWIW We used to run the Italian autostrada at ~120 mph with a 90HP US-spec 1.8L VW Rabbit &#8216;vert (same as a GTI). Mpg? I have no idea but better than I expected.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: JuniorMint</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuniorMint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it hard to believe that I was the only one horrified by plastic wheelcovers.

I had to check to make sure I wasn&#039;t accidentally re-reading the Cobalt review again.  I thought Mercedes were built for people who actually pay attention to cars.

The lack of cupholders surprised me, too, but it must be a cultural thing; I&#039;m sure the Germans would be equally horrified by our propensity for Super-Sizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I find it hard to believe that I was the only one horrified by plastic wheelcovers.</p>
<p>I had to check to make sure I wasn&#8217;t accidentally re-reading the Cobalt review again.  I thought Mercedes were built for people who actually pay attention to cars.</p>
<p>The lack of cupholders surprised me, too, but it must be a cultural thing; I&#8217;m sure the Germans would be equally horrified by our propensity for Super-Sizing.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BEAT</title>
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		<dc:creator>BEAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw one in Boston. no lie... with a right hand drive.
I think you can import European cars, nothing is impossible in America as long you have this &lt;strong&gt;$$$$$$&lt;/strong&gt;.  especially in Florida.

Big time Europeans can do the same as long they have the Mula.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I saw one in Boston. no lie&#8230; with a right hand drive.<br />
I think you can import European cars, nothing is impossible in America as long you have this <strong>$$$$$$</strong>.  especially in Florida.</p>
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		<title>By: golden2husky</title>
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		<dc:creator>golden2husky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the surprisingly high top speed,  keep in mind that this was a speedometer reading, not the output from a calibrated peice of test equipment.  

European cars have speedos that tend to exaggerate speed, especially in the upper ranges.  I recall reading somewhere that the European version of our SAE, (DIN?) a group that sets various standards has a decree that the speedo may never under-read the actual road speed.  

So, if it is possible to get a larger size tire on, even aftermarket, the car still cannot under represent the actual speed.  Obviously the larger tire will cause a reduction in the registered speed due to an effective change in final drive ratio.  

This was the reason that in most European car auto reviews, the indicated speed was typically higher that the actual speed.  Much higher in some cases.

 American and Japanese vehicles do not have this provision, so their speedometers tend to be spot on, though they, too may slightly over-read.  

I think this was in Car and Driver some years ago, when a reader posted a question as to why a BMW review indicated a 12 MPH difference in the indicated top speed...</description>
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<p>European cars have speedos that tend to exaggerate speed, especially in the upper ranges.  I recall reading somewhere that the European version of our SAE, (DIN?) a group that sets various standards has a decree that the speedo may never under-read the actual road speed.  </p>
<p>So, if it is possible to get a larger size tire on, even aftermarket, the car still cannot under represent the actual speed.  Obviously the larger tire will cause a reduction in the registered speed due to an effective change in final drive ratio.  </p>
<p>This was the reason that in most European car auto reviews, the indicated speed was typically higher that the actual speed.  Much higher in some cases.</p>
<p> American and Japanese vehicles do not have this provision, so their speedometers tend to be spot on, though they, too may slightly over-read.  </p>
<p>I think this was in Car and Driver some years ago, when a reader posted a question as to why a BMW review indicated a 12 MPH difference in the indicated top speed&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: BuzzDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuzzDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;thetopdog:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;I wonder if it would be possible for a German to come to the US, buy a Merc/BMW/Audi here (or get an American friend to do it for them), choose the European delivery option, pick it up in Germany and pay a mechanic over there to change the lights and whatever else may be needed to conform to European standards. With the current exchange rate, this technique would save a lot of money...&lt;/i&gt;

Kind of ironic that someone would propose &quot;gray market&quot; imports of German cars &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;from&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to U.S. &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Germany.

I remember when, 20 to 25 years ago, the strong U.S. dollar made it cost effective to gray market import German cars into the United States.

At that time, Mercedes and BMW didn&#039;t adjust their prices downward to reflect the favorable exchange rate for U.S. buyers.  No, they simply sat back and enjoyed the extra cash flow generated from the strong U.S. dollar, plus the tactic (of keeping prices high) allowed them to maintain an even greater cachet of exclusivity for their brands.

Today&#039;s market is both competitive and filled with better-informed consumers, making it difficult for a manufacturer to keep prices high in an attempt to preserve a perceived brand image.  That also points to a reason why it will be difficult - if not impossible - for a Cadillac, Lincoln or Chrysler to &quot;move upmarket&quot; with enhancements to product, image and price.  It also doesn&#039;t help when these brands have been cheapened for the past 50 or so years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start --><b>thetopdog:</b> <i>I wonder if it would be possible for a German to come to the US, buy a Merc/BMW/Audi here (or get an American friend to do it for them), choose the European delivery option, pick it up in Germany and pay a mechanic over there to change the lights and whatever else may be needed to conform to European standards. With the current exchange rate, this technique would save a lot of money&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Kind of ironic that someone would propose &#8220;gray market&#8221; imports of German cars <b><i>from</i></b> to U.S. <b><i>to</i></b> Germany.</p>
<p>I remember when, 20 to 25 years ago, the strong U.S. dollar made it cost effective to gray market import German cars into the United States.</p>
<p>At that time, Mercedes and BMW didn&#8217;t adjust their prices downward to reflect the favorable exchange rate for U.S. buyers.  No, they simply sat back and enjoyed the extra cash flow generated from the strong U.S. dollar, plus the tactic (of keeping prices high) allowed them to maintain an even greater cachet of exclusivity for their brands.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s market is both competitive and filled with better-informed consumers, making it difficult for a manufacturer to keep prices high in an attempt to preserve a perceived brand image.  That also points to a reason why it will be difficult &#8211; if not impossible &#8211; for a Cadillac, Lincoln or Chrysler to &#8220;move upmarket&#8221; with enhancements to product, image and price.  It also doesn&#8217;t help when these brands have been cheapened for the past 50 or so years&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Brock_Landers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brock_Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the interior pic offical MB photo from a top spec C-class, but the test car is very basic low spec C?</description>
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		<title>By: capeplates</title>
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		<dc:creator>capeplates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks good - I think it could be  a winner - the return to old values is refreshing</description>
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		<title>By: thetopdog</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if it would be possible for a German to come to the US, buy a Merc/BMW/Audi here (or get an American friend to do it for them), choose the European delivery option, pick it up in Germany and pay a mechanic over there to change the lights and whatever else may be needed to conform to European standards.  With the current exchange rate, this technique would save a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; of money, but I have no idea if it&#039;s even possible.  

I have a good friend in Germany that would definitely be interested in a scheme like this if we found a way to pull it off</description>
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		<title>By: M20E30</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the current fuel prices, I think this would be a good addition to the C lineup. This car has already sold me.</description>
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		<title>By: johnny ro</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they pay more for a better car than we get. Not loaded being better. Well OK aluminum rims are nice but steel works. I would drive it without the wheel covers.

Mike never presented avg mpg or avg speed or top wrong. Cant say why people read him wrong.

Great review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->So they pay more for a better car than we get. Not loaded being better. Well OK aluminum rims are nice but steel works. I would drive it without the wheel covers.</p>
<p>Mike never presented avg mpg or avg speed or top wrong. Cant say why people read him wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: tree</title>
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		<dc:creator>tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this Keegy thing spam?  Looks like it...</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Solowiow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Solowiow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now that I have landed, let me clear up the mpg, top speed, and my bad German (I do have a minor in the language... really!)

As for the mpg&#039;s, that what we calculated on our return trip from Munich, where we averaged appx 55-60mph, with sprints up to 130 or so due to traffic. We calculated 40mpg overall based on Imperial gallons and what we used. Still pretty good IMO.

The top speed was achieved on the way back from the Alps, which allowed us a really good downhill run. We topped the governor, and due to me keeping my eyes on the road, my passengers reported a 260km/h reading. We soon backed off quickly even though it was very exciting, excitement tends to end quickly when meeting a tree head-on. On flat level ground, the Merc did a solid 130mph, no more.

And I&#039;m working on my German, for a hopefully upcoming Italian assignment next year... where Martin Schwoerer and I will be bringing you more Euro Market reviews!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->And now that I have landed, let me clear up the mpg, top speed, and my bad German (I do have a minor in the language&#8230; really!)</p>
<p>As for the mpg&#8217;s, that what we calculated on our return trip from Munich, where we averaged appx 55-60mph, with sprints up to 130 or so due to traffic. We calculated 40mpg overall based on Imperial gallons and what we used. Still pretty good IMO.</p>
<p>The top speed was achieved on the way back from the Alps, which allowed us a really good downhill run. We topped the governor, and due to me keeping my eyes on the road, my passengers reported a 260km/h reading. We soon backed off quickly even though it was very exciting, excitement tends to end quickly when meeting a tree head-on. On flat level ground, the Merc did a solid 130mph, no more.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m working on my German, for a hopefully upcoming Italian assignment next year&#8230; where Martin Schwoerer and I will be bringing you more Euro Market reviews!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Gardiner Westbound</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gardiner Westbound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our 1971 Mercedes 220 4-cylinder cost $5,125 new, taxes paid. It was a wonderful car, probably the prehistoric equivalent of the one Mike drove. It was built like a bank vault, always looked good, drove well and like the EverReady bunny just kept going.

Horror stories about abysmal quality and stratospheric maintenance and repair costs kept me from going back for another. Hopefully Mercedes has exorcised its demons. Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Our 1971 Mercedes 220 4-cylinder cost $5,125 new, taxes paid. It was a wonderful car, probably the prehistoric equivalent of the one Mike drove. It was built like a bank vault, always looked good, drove well and like the EverReady bunny just kept going.</p>
<p>Horror stories about abysmal quality and stratospheric maintenance and repair costs kept me from going back for another. Hopefully Mercedes has exorcised its demons. Time will tell.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: geggamoya</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh look a taxi. Having been a passenger in a few of these new Cs, im not really impressed. The ride is nothing special, and the materials are not impressive either. Nice, but not anything i would go &quot;WOW&quot; over. 

And the seats are still rock hard and uncomfortable, as is the norm with base MBs. And BMWs for that matter. The 3 looks better, or should i say less weird. Still, this is the least ugly of MBs new releases and facelifts. Which is a lot like saying one kind of horrible illness is a lot better than another. 

And it costs 40.000€ with no options. Thousands more than a comparable BMW, and almost 9000€ more than the base 316. Not that i would pay over 30.000€ for a 316 either</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Oh look a taxi. Having been a passenger in a few of these new Cs, im not really impressed. The ride is nothing special, and the materials are not impressive either. Nice, but not anything i would go &#8220;WOW&#8221; over. </p>
<p>And the seats are still rock hard and uncomfortable, as is the norm with base MBs. And BMWs for that matter. The 3 looks better, or should i say less weird. Still, this is the least ugly of MBs new releases and facelifts. Which is a lot like saying one kind of horrible illness is a lot better than another. </p>
<p>And it costs 40.000€ with no options. Thousands more than a comparable BMW, and almost 9000€ more than the base 316. Not that i would pay over 30.000€ for a 316 either<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: wmba</title>
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		<dc:creator>wmba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 30K Euro price no doubt includes Value Added Tax at the German standard rate of 19%.  So the price would really be 25K Euros not including tax.

As I&#039;ve said before, US prices for cars are the lowest in the world, so everyone else subsidizes the US market. Germans would no doubt kill for a semi-loaded Merc C350 for the equivalent of 32K USD plus VAT!

I just went to the Daimler AG Germany website, and the car Mike drove is 31K Euros including tax at 19%.  The C350 with automatic is 45,368.75 Euros including tax or about $58K USD before tax, so they cost about twice as much as in the US.

In the days before &quot;free trade&quot;, such pricing policies were known as dumping, which the Big 3 used as a criticism of Japan Inc.

Canadian price before tax starts at $47,900, so we get a sort of reasonable deal, but 32K USD is a giveaway.</description>
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<p>As I&#8217;ve said before, US prices for cars are the lowest in the world, so everyone else subsidizes the US market. Germans would no doubt kill for a semi-loaded Merc C350 for the equivalent of 32K USD plus VAT!</p>
<p>I just went to the Daimler AG Germany website, and the car Mike drove is 31K Euros including tax at 19%.  The C350 with automatic is 45,368.75 Euros including tax or about $58K USD before tax, so they cost about twice as much as in the US.</p>
<p>In the days before &#8220;free trade&#8221;, such pricing policies were known as dumping, which the Big 3 used as a criticism of Japan Inc.</p>
<p>Canadian price before tax starts at $47,900, so we get a sort of reasonable deal, but 32K USD is a giveaway.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: kaosfere</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaosfere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amidst all this talk of mileage, is it just me, or are the panel gaps on that hood... er... Kia-quality?</description>
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		<title>By: J.on</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you have to test a car on the other end of spectrum, the new RS6; especially seeing as we won’t get them on this side of the Pond.</description>
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		<title>By: PerfectZero</title>
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		<dc:creator>PerfectZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Top speed: 218km (133mph)&lt;/i&gt;

That sounds about right on flat ground for a car with that hp. You can calculate out the theoretical top speed when all the power is used the cancel the drag force. For a Civic with ~140hp this comes out to around 130mph, so 133mph for the Merc seems reasonable.

I hope with gas prices going they way they are over here we&#039;ll see more supercharged 4&#039;s around here.</description>
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<p>That sounds about right on flat ground for a car with that hp. You can calculate out the theoretical top speed when all the power is used the cancel the drag force. For a Civic with ~140hp this comes out to around 130mph, so 133mph for the Merc seems reasonable.</p>
<p>I hope with gas prices going they way they are over here we&#8217;ll see more supercharged 4&#8217;s around here.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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