By on October 10, 2007

insane-cop-car-rear.JPGHeard of Carbon Motors? Relax. You're not alone in your ignorance. The Atlanta-based automotive concern believes the law enforcement community deserves more than clumsy Crown Vics and cramped Dodge Chargers. To wit: a suicide-door'd, diesel-powered macho sedan with none of the manufacturing constraints plaguing the Big 2.8's masculine metal. Carbon's recent collaboration with Lotus Engineering sounds promising on paper, but the CGI-intensive website is distinctly DeLorean-esque in its lack of a business plan.  No matter, the digitally rendered, Walrus-nosed prototype makes Carbon's pie-in-the-sky venture a hypothetical breath of fresh air. And not much else.

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10 Comments on “Carbon Motors: Police (if not investors) Aware...”


  • avatar
    stuntnun

    looks like a japanese version of the Chrysler 300 -i thought with the company name it be made of carbon fiber.

  • avatar
    quasimondo

    Carbon Motors…Sound so dangerous, so politically incorrect!

  • avatar
    jthorner

    I hope they pull it off. Purpose built police cars makes a lot of sense. The Ford Panther units are not going to be on the market forever. Whatever replaces them will be likely to have even more compromises for the sake of eye catching styling which makes for a bad police vehicle.

    If London can have purpose built taxicabs, then why not purpose built police cars? Of course, a hot rodded version of the London cab might be a great starting point: http://www.lti.co.uk/

  • avatar
    doctorv8

    A two ton, 200″ long, 5 and a half foot tall, front engined, turbo-diesel powered sedan with 50/50 weight distribution and the ability to generate 0.85g steady state cornering on 245mm section width tires?

    I sure hope their business plan is more realistic than their handling goals.

  • avatar
    Sajeev Mehta

    Lack of business info is one huge problem, but I can’t imagine selling this thing within $5000 of a Charger/CVPI.

    Fleet mechanics can easily switch over lights/sirens to a new CVPI (when ordered with the wiring upgrades) from a ragged out model ready for the auction block. Engines are cheap, suspensions are pretty beefy, etc. The buy-in is low and reputation is solid. And the Charger is bound to follow suit, provided the durability is there. And gas engines need less maintenance than Diesels.

    The long term value proposition of Carbon’s Police car is hard to determine. They haven’t committed to an engine, but if they use that BMW Turbo D mentioned on the Internet (their website or blogs, can’t remember where I read that), the cost of that part alone is (probably) double that of a SOHC 4.6L Ford or OHV 5.7L HEMI Dodge.

  • avatar
    Redbarchetta

    I thought this company had a business plan. When I jumped on there website a few months ago they had a rolling chassis prototype and agreements with Ford for drivetrains. Guess that changed and I don’t care enough to go back to there site and read more vaporware. According to what I read they already had a factory in Atlanta under construction.

    I thought the concept was a great idea, but looks like these guys are going to screw it up due to a lack of business sense.

  • avatar
    Sajeev Mehta

    When I jumped on there website a few months ago they had a rolling chassis prototype and agreements with Ford for drivetrains. Guess that changed and I don’t care enough to go back to there site and read more vaporware. According to what I read they already had a factory in Atlanta under construction.

    Agreements with Ford to help make a car that threatens to kill one of its easiest revenue streams? I bet things changed. I saw none of those tangibles on the site/press releases.

    But if I got it wrong, TTAC will happily correct it.

  • avatar
    Redbarchetta

    I’m not arguing with you in the slightest, I found a lot of what they said to be very flakey last time I looked so all this is very believable. According to there site Ford welcomed Carbon to take the police burden off their hands, like selling cars is a burden now.
    They had and still do have very high hopes without much substance. I think I am going to drive by this place when I head up to Atlanta this weekend and see for myself if they have an assembly plant.

    I really want to see what makes their platform so perfect for police applications, but that’s very hush hush.

  • avatar
    Redbarchetta

    Why does SCAD have to be involved in this? Practical design is not something they teach well there. Interesting to see how many useless do-dads and flashy exterior they put on a squad car. I went to SCAD, great program with some good professors that lack any real world experience.

  • avatar
    Sajeev Mehta

    I’m guessing SCAD is probably cheaper than CCS, Art Center and CIA (yes readers, that’s an art school) by several orders of magnitude. Maybe the CGI is a freebie for future commitments: and making Carbon an all Georgia affair makes sense to me.

    I’m not arguing with you in the slightest, I found a lot of what they said to be very flakey last time I looked so all this is very believable.

    Understood, I’m just laying it all out if someone has factual corrections for us. We’ll do the same for Carbon that we did for Tesla.


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