By on October 3, 2007

bmw-335d-2008.jpgAmerican pistonheads, tree-huggers and pistonhead tree-huggers have been clamoring for Euro-diesels long before California passed regulations making them legally untenable. WardsAuto reports that The Boffins of Bavaria will add a urea-injection system to their 3.0-liter variable twin-turbo diesel and bring that bad boy stateside. In the Eurozone, Bimmer's six cylinder oil burner cranks-out 286 hp and stumps-up 427 lb-ft. of torque– which, it must be said, is one Hell of a lot of torque. (Satch Carlson, editor of Roundel, the official magazine of the BMW Car Club of America: "It feels and sounds something like a big-block Chevy when you put your foot down.") The not-smelly, non-clattering 3.0-liter inline six currently serves duty in BMW's European 335d, 535d and 635d models. There's no word on which US models will be blessed with the oil burner, or what they'll cost stateside. 

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22 Comments on “BMW 3.0-Liter Twin Turbo Oil Burner Heading Stateside...”


  • avatar
    Justin Berkowitz

    Time to start saving. I’d estimate the price of the 335d at about the same as a 335i, just to screw with our heads.

    For reference, if such a thing is possible, the Bluetec E-Class Mercedes sells for $1000 more than an E350. Except in New York, where the Bluetec doesn’t sell for anything, because it’s illegal.

  • avatar
    philbailey

    Hurrah. And not before time.

  • avatar
    Sajeev Mehta

    427lb-ft? No wonder that 535d I saw in London launched so hard from a stoplight into merging traffic. Holy $*!& that’s awesome!!!

  • avatar
    AKM

    Also in the 735d, for that matter.
    Too bad BMW dropped the “TDSI” badge, which just sounded too cool. Turbo-Diesel Sport Injection. Hell, it sounds like a hip-hop artist wrote that name.

  • avatar
    philbailey

    FYI: Autocar magazine last year voted the 335d the best car they tested that year.

    Their question: What more can you want?

    150 mph, 0-60 5+secs, 42 mpg.

    Only downside was the iDrive owners instruction manual. One inch thick and thirty pages on how to tune the radio.

  • avatar
    guyincognito

    This isn’t fair! I already own a car and I just can’t swing another. Why must BMW continue to release cars I want so badly? Can’t Bangle mess up the styling more or something?

  • avatar
    BigChiefMuffin

    I’ve driven a 535d quite a lot and it’s a great engine. Also, you can chip it quite easily up to 330 odd BHP. On a 335d, that will probably take the 0-60 under 5 seconds ( assuming you can get the power down ). I know lot of people with E46 M3′s who are p/ex’ing them for these instead – same performance and 50% better economy.

    This is the future.

  • avatar
    02chuck

    I went to the BMW UK site and found the 335d M Sport touring. I hope BMW brings the sport versions across the pond. If only they could get a DSG trans to work with it before it arrives (not an auto trans fan). That would be way to much fun. I normally wait a couple of years and find a low mileage version of what I am looking for, but I will be in line early for the 335d as long as it can be chosen in a sporty mode. I am not looking for a boring D car. Just think 40mpg, caring stuff and hauling butt down the road. That is almost to good to be true

  • avatar

    What I really want is a Diesel Z3.

    yeah… I’m crazy.

    –chuck
    http://chuck.goolsbee.org

  • avatar
    wludavid

    02chuck: It’s my impression that the dual-clutch tranmissions don’t work very well (or very long) with enignes that produce that much torque. If you think about it, each clutch disc only has half as much surface area to hold onto the flywheel as a traditional clutch would.

    I’m actually surprised that BMW is putting the DCT in M3. Then again, the M-division doesn’t usually have longevity of their cars as top priority.

  • avatar
    GS650G

    Chrylser missed out on these innovations.

  • avatar
    whatdoiknow1

    Doesn’t That Burgatti Veryon have a dual-clutch gearbox?

  • avatar

    Forget a diesel Z3, I want a diesel Lotus Elise. *droool*

  • avatar
    miked

    wludavid: It’s my impression that the dual-clutch tranmissions don’t work very well (or very long) with enignes that produce that much torque. If you think about it, each clutch disc only has half as much surface area to hold onto the flywheel as a traditional clutch would.

    Yes, that is one of the issues with the DSG approach. But one easy fix for it would be to increase the clutch pressure. Since the drive no longer needs to press the clutch pedal anymore, you can surely have more pressure on the clutch and just have stronger actuators switching the clutches.

    One thing that I worry about with a DSG (and maybe they did solve it, but I don’t know) is that with at least one of the clutches always disengaged at any given time, that’s a lot of wear and tear on the throw-out bearings.

  • avatar
    phil

    clean modern diesels are SO MUCH better than hybrids at addressing our energy issues that i believe even the american public will be won over. the bmws will be too pricey for the general public so it will be up to VW, honda, and the soon to arrive GM diesels to make the case. i think this is the next big thing :o)

  • avatar
    magnus

    last time i checked, the sultans of stuttgart were in charge of mercedes, but who knows… maybe their power spreads all the way across the bavarian border.

    alright, mighty sultans… i want a 335d touring or coupe. please make that happen pretty-please!

  • avatar

    Well Max, I’d take a Diesel Z3, an Elise, a TT… really any small, lightweight, open 2-seater. I agree an Elise fits the bill of “lightweight” better than the German options listed. But since this post was about BMW I tried to stay on-topic. =)

    I love Diesel. I love the torque. I love the low-rev power. I love the fuel economy. I love the long-life of the drivetrains. I love the concept of alternative fuel sources as a way to extend the useful life of petroleum reserves. I’m on my 6th oil-burner since 1982. I brew my own fuel out in the barn on my property.

    I also love top-down, small car motoring. It used to be that you could buy a small, 2-seat car with a small motor of agricultural origins and have a blast driving it. (think MG, Triumph, Healey, etc) The auto makers have all lost sight of this simple, life-affirming fact:

    There is great joy to be had in driving slow cars fast.

    They, and the trade rags and “enthusiasts” all seem to demand that a “sporty” car HAS to have 200+ HP, (ideally some number close to 500) and turn 0-6 times in low single digits. I’m sorry, that is complete and utter BS. Just look at those little roadsters of days gone by. They were all under 200 HP, small, economical, slow, and more fun than you can possibly imagine!

    I think the time is right to revive the idea of the “sports/commuter” car, and turbocharged Diesels are the right technology to do it with. They can be clean, quiet, EXTREMELY frugal, and something those old British cars could only dream of: reliable. But most of all they’d be fun. We could all use a little more fun.

    –chuck
    http://chuck.goolsbee.org

  • avatar
    Brock_Landers

    Twinturbo 3.0 Diesel is in place with the X5, 5-series (Touring), X3. 3-series coupe handles, looks, and feels like a sports car. 3.0 tt gasoline engine is lot more suitable for this car. An engine that enthusiastic driver can enjoy.

    335d max torque – between 1750-2250rpm
    335i max torque – 1300-5000rpm!!!

    See my point? Gasoline engine is more flexible, it likes to rev and is smooth and really rev happy up to 7000rpm redline. Diesel has more torque, but its available in very narrow spectrum. If you don’t have the revs you can’t enjoy the torque :)

    If you prefer effortless driving style, 335d will be the better choice. If you prefer to play with engine rev and gearshift and enjoy the best possible ride and handling, then 335i will be the ultimate choice. http://www.autozine.org/html/BMW/3er.html

    But hey, who ever will buy the 3-series for effortless cruising in mind?

  • avatar
    Brock_Landers

    Audi and Mercedes are trying to advertise themselves as leaders in diesel technology. Audi in LeMans and Merc with its Bluetec brand. But in 3L diesel class where the competition is most fierce Audi and Merc have nothing to show against BMW’s 3.0d TT engine. The gap is HUGE!

    BMW 3.0d TT (535d)
    Horsepower: 286
    Torque lbft: 427

    Mercedes 3.0d T (E320CDI)
    Horsepower: 224
    Torque lbft: 398

    Audi 3.0d T (A6 Quattro)
    Horsepower: 233
    Torque lbft: 331

  • avatar
    KEMA

    Greetings

    European owner of the new 535d and long timer reader of TTAC.

    The 3.0 twin turbo diesel was nothing short of an automotive revolution to me. Having previously owned the Audi A3 2.0T (200 BHP) and the Porsche Cayman S I was per definition a petrolhead.

    One test drive of the 535d instantly killed all my oil burner reservations.

    Having a small turbo spooling up early and a larger turbo kicking in later provides an instantaneous and constant shove from standstill to max rev.

    Of course you have a shorter rev range than the petrol counter part but there is zero hesitation and the old diesel tendency to loose breath in the higher rev range is also gone.

    The petrol twin turbo is faster from 0 – 60 but door handle dragging off the light signal got old 10 years ago anyway. Now it is all about the in gear acceleration and the torque in which the diesel absolutely destroys the petrol.

    Regardless of what speed you are cruising in a quick tap on the accelerator will press back in the seat and complete overtaking in a blink of an eye. The car literally pulls like this from 0 – 155 MPH.

    To put the torque into perspective: If you dis engage anti spin, apply a medium pressure on the brakes and start accelerating the car will pull a burn-out on dry asphalt – in an automatic no less.

    Enough rambling. Don’t take my word for it. Book a test drive when it hits US soil and you can make your own conclusions.

    Ken

  • avatar
    guyincognito

    “Then again, the M-division doesn’t usually have longevity of their cars as top priority.” Eh-hem, daily driver of a 90K mile 1999 M3 here.

  • avatar
    MgoBLUE

    guyincognito — 8 years is a great start. How much maintenance and/or repairs have you had to invest in since warranty expired?

    I’ll breathe a sigh of relief when you report that you’ve made it to 150k+. :)


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