By on October 19, 2006

j2006_3092222.jpgOnce again, thank you for helping TTAC with our Ten Worst Automobiles Today (TWAT) award. We’ve been most gratified by the number and quality of the nominations. The nomination process will judder to a halt tomorrow at 5pm EST. TTAC’s staff (that’s me) will then begin the arduous process (which may or may not involve the use of dart boards, adult beverages and TV psychics) of paring a list of almost 200 losermobiles down to 20 really bad finalists. We’ll open the voting sometime next week, and announce the winner the following week. Meanwhile, here’s another quick recap.

Here are the top ten most nominated TWATs as of this morning:

Jeep Compass
Subaru B9 Tribeca
GM Minivans (joint)
Toyota Camry
Jeep Commander
Mercedes R-Class
Chevrolet Impala
Chrysler Aspen
Chevrolet Aveo
Chevrolet Monte Carlo

RF reports that he’s amazed at the quality of the writing from our nominators; he’s offered assignments to five of you so far. (If you’re interested in writing for us, don’t wait for an invitation.) We’re all extremely pleased by the fact that so many long time readers have finally broken radio silence to participate in this effort. We urge you to continue making your voice heard on other issues. By now, we’re a solid community of pistonheads. You’re all welcome.

And you’re all nuts. Again, what’s with the Camry? Finding the most popular car sold in America associated with this group was like finding your Aunt Matilda in the holding cell after a whorehouse raid, guilt or innocence not withstanding. In fact, this topic generated the bulk of yesterday’s discussion. Here are a few representative comments:

The Camry and RL may be boring, soulless appliances, but they are not bad cars. Nor are they particularly ugly. Just forgettable. – Zarba

I’d vote for the Camry because it gets bigger and uglier every generation and it is to cars what Novocain is to gums. – artsy5347

A TWAT is a vehicle that fails to live up to its purpose. If its purpose is to be the most comfortable, reliable, and vanilla way to get from point A to B, then the Camry is no TWAT. – Jeff in Canada

I tested the LE model and found land-yacht handling thresholds (unacceptable for Soccer Moms, don’t even let pistonheads get in the equation), misaligned interior panels, RATTLES, high asking price (24k and it’s a 4-banger?) and one butt ugly design.  – Sajeev Mehta

The Camry delivers the boring vehicle that people who buy them want. It’s not a bad car, just a case of giving people what they want. – Claude Dickson

The new one looks eye-poppingly awful from the outside; really really bad; worse than ‘96 Taurus bad. – maxo

The Camry is a soulless drone of a car but it is absolutely flawless piece of machinery made to accomplish what it was designed for: A to B anonymous dependable transportation. You can hardly qualify a best seller that consistently fulfill that niche, forbidding any competition (except the Accord which should then be nominated as well!) a bad car or a TWAT.  – rashakor

The reason I feel the Camry is deserving of the nomination is the styling. They have taken what was supposed to be a boring family sedan and attempted to add style to the exterior… It’s like putting a tuxedo on a pig… It looks stupid and makes the pig mad. – BimmerHead

Looks like it’s a hung jury on whether soullessness and bad styling make a car worthy of a TWAT. We would be less than honest if we didn’t admit right from the start that the selection committee will have to consider the effect of a Camry TWAT on this website’s credibility. On one hand, it would certainly fit TTAC’s brand positioning as the nutter in the internet attic. On the other hand, anyone predisposed against our, um, style, would use it as another excuse to dismiss TTAC with the old “anyone with a keyboard can run a website” argument.

Suffice it to say, our first obligation is to the truth. It will probably come down to a single question: would we, the jury, rather gnaw off our hands than wrap them around a Camry’s steering wheel for any length of time? Or something along those lines.

In any case, keep those nominations coming. Remember: the more justifications for a given nomination, the more likely it is to make the top 20. So let’s get those TWATs out in the open for everyone to see.

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147 Comments on “TTAC’s Ten Worst Automobiles Today (TWAT) Award – Coming Down the Home Stretch...”


  • avatar
    Brian E

    I think that the folks nominating the Camry are ignoring the true TWATs out there on dealer lots. I am second to none in my utter lack of interest in the automotive sofa that is the Camry, but a TWAT?

    Let’s look at some of the true TWATs out there, starting with Suzuki’s lineup of rebadged Daewoos. Suzuki makes some truly excellent automobiles that it does not sell here in the US. Instead we get the Forenza and Reno, which make the Impala seem like a Honda.

    Would you like to drive a true midsize TWAT? Spend an hour in a base Mitsubishi Galant and then tell me the Camry sucks.

    When there are so many cars that truly suck out there, why waste time focusing on the Camry?

  • avatar
    gcmustanglx

    I would like to add a nomination for the Chysler Crossfire. It seems that Chrysler is going for the under 5’5″ demographic. although I dance like a retarded pigmy midget, I am not the size of one. You would think that someone 6′ tall would be able to fit in almost any vechicle today. I personally don’t find the styling all that bad but the interior room leaves a lot to be desired.

  • avatar
    kasumi

    I am happy to see the R-Class make the list. I would love to replace the Camry with the Saab 9-7. The Camry is an okay car, that given the choice between gnawing off my hands to bloody stumps and driving a Camry, I think most would choose the Camry. Going Donner on my hands versus almost every car on this list would lead me to be driving my dreaded R-Class.

    My question is would you willingly pay $150 (at least) a month to drive any of the cars?

    I also want to second the inclusion of the Maybach. The owner of the Jacobs Group (used to own the Cleveland Indians) drives one (seriously I think he drives it not is driven). It just looks like a gigantic waste of money – the fact that he drives it and doesn’t wear a chauffer cap makes it worse. For less couldn’t you get a bad-ass bullet-proof 7-series or S-class? That it sits out all day in a parking lot all by itself increases the Daddy Warbucks(sp) factor.

    One thing so many cars on this list share (everyone except the R-Class, Camry and Tribeca) is the antenna. Why do cars still have antennas? I’m not talking about the little shark fins or VW style stalks, but the glorified coat hanger. I get decent reception in a V70 without one as I would imagine many other cars do. Why the antenna – removing it would make cars look so much better. Especially the GM cars sporting the Onstar and satellite radio reciever plus the antenna. C’mon GM wouldn’t you save money giving people free satellite radio instead of including the antenna and satellite radio?

    K.

  • avatar
    Jordan Tenenbaum

    Ahh the Camry. Rock and a hard spot. I agree with the mass that the Camry is a TWAT. It is a perfectly acceptable, comfortably numb vehicle, that offends the least amount people. You can’t really fault Toyota, as they are out to make the most money, and the Camry definately gets the job done.

    But at what cost? What has the Camry done to the average American non-savvy car driver? More importantly, what has the Camry done to the American car industry? I blame the Camry for taking away the passion that American motorists used to have. Sure it isn’t the only car, but it’s the sacrificial lamb.

    And for that reason alone, I nominate it. While every other automotive publication fellates it, we burn it at the stake.

  • avatar
    Claude Dickson

    I’m been trying to get several cars off the island, so now I’d like to nominate car that should set up permanent residence on the TWAT island: the Porsche Cayenne Turbo S.

    As many have pointed out, this is a ludicrous class of cars. Who needs cars like these to wisk Johnny to soccer practice? The Turbo S is the crown jewel of the class. First of all, it is stupidly expensive at a MRSP of just over $110,000 (US). At this price, Johnny’s parents probably have a soccer field built onto the house. Or, here’s a novel idea: buy a real sports car like the Cayman and then get something truly suitable for transporting rug rats? You could do both and still spend less than the list on the Cayenne, let alone what the thing costs when optioned. Second, I’m sure the car’s 520 hp will really take time off the various trips to Starbucks, the grocery store, along with ferrying the kids to their after school activities. And we all know every one of these destinations is located across a desert, off of some unpaved trail or on top of a mountain requiring this car’s off-road abilities.

    There has to be room on the island for the most absurd and outlandish expression of a car class with no reason to exist.

  • avatar
    Jeff in Canada

    After spending three days, (and too much company time.) reading many of the posts here, I still feel the poor servers have been flooded with visually subjective and gearhead driven ‘complaints’. Anyone that says any particular car is a TWAT because it’s ugly is missing the whole point. A great car is created when a group of engineers flock together to build something with a specific purpose, and it is 100% achieved. I could say a Porsche Caymen is a TWAT and a TVR Sagaris is a COTY because Porsche businessmen held the engineers back (911 competition) and the TVR team built a fantastic, albeit basic sportscar!
    Visual design is subjective, Some people will never be satisfied with a HP rating, and some folks will always think something is overpriced. These are not the criteria that make a great car. Keep your focus gearheads and the real TWAT’s will come to light!

  • avatar
    Hutton

    The Camry nominations make sense (I guess) if they are purely symbolic, and if in fact the Camry is only the sacrificial lamb. But 10 cars is a short list, and you could do much much worse than a Camry. I for one am happy that all those “boring” people choose to drive a “boring” Camry to their “boring” jobs. They could all be in Hummers instead. I know how much everyone would enjoy that.

    And honestly, if you were shopping for a sedan in that segment, in that price range, what would you buy? I guess I’d get a Legacy or a 6, but are those cars really so amazing that they render the Camry a TWAT? Better, yes, but they’re not for everybody. There’s really nothing that competes with the Camry that is significantly more appealing than the Camry.

    P.s. I know Jonny’s itchin’ to get at least ONE of the Village People trucks up on the list. Surely the King Ranch is more deserving of the TWAT than the Toyota.

  • avatar
    NN

    It is simply preposterous to have a Camry on this list. I am not personally a fan of the vehicle, but I must respectfully recognize it's stellar repuation for reliability and the constant and focused pursuit by Toyota to the Camry's ability to serve it's purpose of safe, comfortable, and efficient transport. They even made a version that gets damn near 40mpg. Fun, interesting, or stylish it may not be, but a boring car does not make a TWAT. Frankly speaking, a Camry is not a piece of ****. Some of you people are so biased over the Camry's popularity that Toyota could do nothing to please you. This website is honorable and is awarded with my attention because of it's pure objectivity, which is something that will be compromised if the Camry's repuation for reliability is ignored and the vehicle is put on the list as an official TWAT. As stated prior, I am not interested in driving a Camry myself–I, too, find it as boring as many of you. However, my wife's grandparents are looking to trade in their reliable old Buick for a new Camry, and for them, and for what they want, I consider it to be a smart decision.

  • avatar
    GT_Fan

    In my book, any car that does well what it’s designed to do and isn’t hideously ugly is excused from the TWAT roles.

    Keeping this in mind, my vote goes to the Suzuki Reno. In a world of competent, efficient, reliable and well-built compacts, the Reno sticks out like the proverbial sore thumb. Poor build quality, rattles, a raspy yet weak engine and gas mileage more befitting a small SUV make the Reno a real TWAT.

  • avatar
    artsy5347

    Hutton says: “And honestly, if you were shopping for a sedan in that segment, in that price range, what would you buy? I guess I’d get a Legacy or a 6, but are those cars really so amazing that they render the Camry a TWAT?”

    That’s easy – the new Altima renders the Camry a TWAT. So does the Passat and even the Sonata.

  • avatar
    starlightmica

    Here’s another plea for future voters to consider another car besides the Camry – although ugly and bland, there are a whole lot of other ugly and bland mid-sized sedans that objectively don’t do the job as well. Instead, think of these following stinkers:

    Buick LaCrosse (amblyopia/self-flagellation poster child vehicle of the year)
    Chevy Malibu
    Chrysler Sebring (2006 or 2007 will do, for different reasons)
    Dodge Stratus
    Ford Taurus (if it qualifies, being fleet-only)
    Pontiac Grand Prix
    Suzuki Verona

  • avatar
    nicke

    I’d like to nominate anything with I-Drive, why add a menu based system to a car? The whole idea with car ergonomics is that you should be able to operate with feel and position in the cockpit, not take your eyes off the road to see that you’re in the right screen to turn the radio down. On that note I’d like to especially nominate the BMW 6 Series coupe, since it looks like a fat chick with EXTREMELY noticeable panty-lines from behind. Actually anything Bangle is on my list.

    The Camry doesn’t really make my blood boil, it was dull before and still is, I just don’t care.

    I’d like to nominate any Jeep product that is not a true Jeep; Compass, Patriot. On that note any crossover too. Call it a mini-van or station wagon and I would not care as much. In the same breath the Subaru Tribeca is a solid nominee.

    I’d also like to nominate all the Super-Sized SUV’s; Yukon Denial and it’s brethren, Nissan Armada, Suburban and the rest of them because they suck in traffic and off-road. The H2 Gets a special nomination in this category.

    I’d also like to nominate the Mazda RX8, for totally loosing focus. It used to be one of the best looking sports cars in the “Modern Era” (the last gen RX7) and turned it to a castrated too high, too many doors, too many things to too many dull vehicle without personality.

  • avatar
    NICKNICK

    Malibu is automotive sweatpants.

  • avatar
    gforce2002

    I will have to put my vote in for the Camry. Although, for a car to be so hideously ugly and yet STILL be obnoxiously boring is quite an achievement, so I have to give Toyota credit for that.

    But moreso, it’s the fact that it has brainwashed an entire generation of North Americans that utter blandness is not only acceptable but desireable, that pushes this yawn on wheels to the top of the list.

    “anyone predisposed against our, um, style, would use it as another excuse to dismiss TTAC with the old “anyone with a keyboard can run a website” argument.”

    Since when has TTAC cared about that? You guys are getting soft.

  • avatar
    trd2345

    I may not have any driving expertise under my belt, no real track time to back any of my comments-but for what it’s worth, how is something like the H3 NOT on the list while the Camry is?

    I’ve always appreciated Toyota for their promise to quality-I’d say the majority of Toyota fans would agree. Most Camry drivers won’t fault their vehicles for torque steer, or lack of “sharp” handling.

    In any case, for the intelligent man in the corner with the metaphor of Camry as car Novacaine-

    ever realize how popular both these products are?

  • avatar
    o_fizzle

    I will also agree that the Camry doesn’t belong in the Top 10 TWAT list. It definitely serves its purpose as a quiet, smooth, and reliable utility for transportation. And while I found it to be hideous at first, now I just find it to be boring. Not TWAT material.

    I would like to nominate the Nissan Quest. I don’t know about quality and performance, but this one deserves the TWAT just for looks. I almost swerved off the road into oncoming traffic last week trying to avoid driving behind one. Picture: http://cellounge.com/jaminusa/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/07_quest_09.jpg

    Jeep Compass and Dodge Caliber are both hideous. Instead of replacing the Neon with another nimble-handling compact car, DCX decided to build a vomit-inducing mini-SUV? Yeah, it’s “not cute.” In a bad way.

    Chevy still makes the Monte Carlo? Shudder.

    Hummer H2. When you want to let people know you’re a douche bag without saying a word.

  • avatar
    Jordan Tenenbaum

    No one is denying the Camry’s refinement, reliability, and safety. No one is expecting some kind of Lotus-esque handling Camry with a V12, either.

    Admittedly, I don’t think the Camry really fits the guidlines now that I have re-read them, but I stand by my nomination regardless.

  • avatar

    True, Frank’s a big softie. Read his Aveo review.

    As always, we’ll let the chips fall where they may,

  • avatar
    Antone

    Based on style, design philosophy and execution I nominate:
    Ford 500 (who was this Audi 5000 remake created for?)
    Chevy Impala (I had it as a rental car and my GF, who is not a piston-head, said “anyone who buys one of these cars has to be mentally ill.”).
    Saab 9-7X (why would they… The steering wheel looks like its out of an 1980’s K-car)
    Lincoln zephyr (at least the LS was RWD. An ugly re-bagged Mazda 6? Why is this a step up from the use of the Jaguar platform?)
    Jaguar X-Type (I wanted to like this car, up to the point I sat in one and drove it. That experience sucked all the special out of the exterior)
    Land Rover Freelander (It’s like a K+N sticker on the side of a ‘97 Saturn w/ stick-on spoiler to match… it doesn’t make it a sports car!)
    Chevy Tahoe and all the re-bagged versions (The obvious)
    Pontiac G6 (weak where it needed to be really strong)

    Based on style and design philosophy I nominate the:
    BMW X3 (40K for a 3-seiries w/ a lift kit? And the looks! Ouch)
    Maybach 57/62 (The updated S-series looks better… Why?)
    Acura TL (It looks like a Japanese Saab 9-5 with a hint of Pontiac body cladding. Why again will Honda not make a RWD platform and take-over the world?)

  • avatar
    o_fizzle

    Ooh, upon reading furuther posts, I would like to add another to the list: the BMW 6-series.

    Ugly, overweight, unneccesary. A car designed with the poseur in mind.

  • avatar
    dhathewa

    First, I don’t think the Camry should remain on the list. You’re outvoted, 40,000 to 1. And it’s selling without givebacks. Clearly, there’s cars for pistonheads and then there’s cars that are just cars. The numbers say the Camry is a pretty good car. The car may be BORING (and a friend who just bought one actually said he thought it was boring but he didn’t care) but it’s not BAD.

    Second, as for as how you may decide,

    “It will probably come down to a single question: would we, the jury, rather gnaw off our hands than wrap them around a Camry’s steering wheel for any length of time?” – Frank Williams

    Imagine you’re renting a car. The atttendant gives you the keys to a Camry. Are you relieved or horrified?

  • avatar
    Hutton

    Oh, man, how could we all miss the X3, I’d like to second that nomination. What does that car do well? Anything?

  • avatar
    virages

    Man, I guess to satisfy everyone, you could “improve” the TWAT and make it go to eleven. Then the Camry could be added to the list as the number 11 special award. “The biggest disapointment in a good but unbearably banal car”

    Or something like that.

  • avatar
    Hutton

    I suspect the H3 didn’t make it because no one here has driven one, which is most likely a symptom of no one here willing to be caught dead in one. Which I guess would qualify it, no?

  • avatar
    Sajeev Mehta

    No one is denying the Camry’s refinement, reliability…

    I certainly am. The misaligned panels and the dashboard/parcel shelf rattles does NOT make for a refined and reliable car. The Camry is far from a sacred cow. Its a first year product with serious quality issues.

    The Camry currently has two recalls for airbags and has numerous TSB’s: engine oil leaks, transmission shifting problems, interior rattles and others.

    If you don’t believe me, read the Camry Forums:
    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t160607.html
    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t158982.html
    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t158721.html

    The Camry is FAR from mechanically superior to its competitors. Plus its ugly. So dont fear nominating it to the list. :-)

  • avatar
    nicke

    I also nominate: X3, H3, Caliber. Don’t really have anything further to add to those.

  • avatar
    nicke

    Oh and I forgot! Anything Maybach, why would anyone buy an oversized duller 600? It gets my oversized-overpriced Camry award. The two-tone paint doesn’t help either. And since I’m on luxo barges, I’ll nominate the Bentley Paethon too, I parked in front of one the other day and I had to look twice to see that it was a Bentley, this one is the runner up to the oversized-overpriced Camry award.

  • avatar
    Frank Williams

    Please keep in mind just because a car wasn’t listed here, it doesn’t mean it’s not in the running. So far we’ve had 130 different vehicles or badge engineered combos nominated. The ones here were just the first 10 as far as individual nominations are concerned. Many of the vehicles mentioned in these posts are on the list, including the H3 (and H2).

    “Imagine you’re renting a car. The atttendant gives you the keys to a Camry. Are you relieved or horrified?”

    That depends on what the alternatives are. There are cars which are far worse than the Camry, but also cars I’d much rather drive, even in a rental fleet.

  • avatar
    a_d_y_a

    TWAT by company. Stuff I would never ever buy

    1. Ford – Freestar, where is my s-max?

    2. Mercury – This is a badge engineered badge. All apply for TWAT.

    3. Lincoln – See above.

    4. Mazda – Tribute. Close contest with the B truck.

    5. Jaguar – S type kissing booth mannequin

    6. Volkswagen – Beetle, I dont know why I relate it to the fair sex. Would not touch with a stick.

    7. Audi – TT, Looks>Performance = Priority wrong.

    8. Mercedes – M class, that was easier than I thought.

    9. Chrysler – PT Cruiser Conv, too cool to classify. LOL. Aspen and Sebring a close second.

    10. Dodge – Tie between caliber and stratus.

    11. Jeep – Compass, Commander. I need not say anymore.

    12. Toyota – Prius, Just pray the guy sitting next to you at lunch doesnt have one. For yaris see below.

    13. Scion – xa, xb – because they have console in the center, cannot parse. error.

    14. Subaru – tribeca. the flying vagina.

    15. Honda – Insight. Why is it still on sale?

    16. Buick – I dont know what Tiger woods is selling. All apply.

    17. Cadillac – The escalade pickup. this one was more difficult than I thought.

    18. Cheverolet – I get only one choice. Damn. Uplander.

    19. GMC – See #2

    20. Hummer – H2 SUT. SUT??

    21. Pontiac – Tie between the SV6 (hhehee) and the torrent.

    22. Saab – 9-7x. the least SAAB SAAB.

    23. Saturn – Ion. Who was incharge of this disaster? Import Fighter I dont think so.

    24. Hyundai – Elantra. Thank god they updated it for next year.

    25. Kia – Amanti. S type for 28k. Tsk. Classify under what were they thinking.

    26. BMW – X3/5. Why do you pander to the SUV..no SAV public.

    27. Infiniti – Q, I bet you didnt know they had a Q.

    28. Mitsubishi – They ruined the eclipse.

    29. Suzuki Reno – We want the awesome Swift instead.

    30. Isuzu – Yes that is a car brand, and no i wont have any of their vehicles.

    Exempt Brands – volvo, aston martin, land rover, lambo, bugatti, bentley, maybach, lexus, acura, mini, ferrari, maserati, nissan( i am surprised myself), lotus, Rolls Royce.

  • avatar
    ClutchSlip

    The Camry is definitely not deserving of being on the list. For starters it is a perfectly capable car that realizes each and every claim that it makes. The quality to value proposition is pretty much perfect. It also establishes a new, higher “baseline” for affordable family sedans that every other manufacturer will have to match and beat in the future. All of these are good things, and it is inconceivable that so many TTAC readers fault Toyota for bringing this car to the American market. I thank them.

    Of course I could fault the Camry for its awkward styling, but I won’t because it is trying . While the Camry does not unseat the beauty pageant queens (Benz and Alfa Romeo, let’s say), it is raising the game for “standard” sedans. This should also be welcome to those that find themselves sick of the banal reality of the US sedan market.

    I also want to cast my votes for:
    Saab 9-7: GM really sold their acquisition down the river on that one, all in the name of soaking up excess SUV platform supply.

    Mercedes R-Class: Mercedes is understood to be much more than a luxury brand in Europe, and the R-Class fits in the MB’s product line along with the A and B-Class vehicles. In the US, however the R-Class is just an odd duck. Perhaps it is a couple of years ahead of its time, but at the moment it just seems wrong. To advance my gripe a little more, I am going to say that maybe Benz should be concentrating more on bringing or developing a marketable premium compact for the US market as a response to increased fuel costs. (hey! maybe that’s the idea, introduce the super-premium family suv/van, get traction, then bring in the little (A and B Class) guys). Regardless, of rationale, thumbs-down to the R-Class.

    Thumbs down to the Chevy Aveo. Chevy, the all-American brand is reduced to selling Korean piffle. In Europe Chevy sells only re-badged Daewoos, Corvette is pulled out as a separate brand. Ponder that. GM selling it’s essence down the river. As a car maybe it is ok, but it is not a Chevy. Nice rebadging job guys. Next time do your homework.

  • avatar
    Jordan Tenenbaum

    Sajeev:

    I completely forgot about your review! I apologize about that. I guess everyone is so stuck on Toyotas reputation that we just kind of assumed that the new Camry would be no different.

    I certainly don’t feel bad about nominating it, now.

  • avatar
    sitting@home

    I always thought people bought Camry’s like they buy stamps from the Post Office; they have a need, they go to the place that sells them, they make a quick selection (Elvis, Florida wildlife or Old Glory), then go home and use them. They don’t think about the mechanics of how the postal system works, or go to CostCo and buy in bulk to save a few cents. If they want 2nd class stamps, then they get a Corolla.

    It doesn’t make them a bad car, just the choice for people who don’t like to make choices.

  • avatar
    carguy

    I think the Chevy Malibu deserves the Camry’s spot. It is just as boring but also badly built, has a 3.5 V6 that feels less powerful than a 2 liter 4, has an attrocious interior and no resalse value to speak of.

  • avatar
    Jordan Tenenbaum

    Carguy, I agree with you about the Malibu, so much infact that I too nominated it yesterday. I’m honestly suprised that it isn’t in the top 10.

    The Malibu: Keeping J.D. Byrider in business since 1998.

  • avatar
    LeeAlmighty

    The Aveo while probably not a great car, it isnt a horrible car.

    A few readers cited the underpowered nature of the car, while this is true, the Aveo is an entry level automobile, designed to get the user from one place to another for as little cash as possible. Also its powered By a 1.6 liter 16 valver sans all the go fast gewizardry you might find in some of the competition, keep in mind the competition costs more.

    Also throughtout the History of car review sites, I don’t think I have ever read a review about a compact car that didn’t have the words ‘gear hunting uphill’ and ‘slow’ in it…duh… its not a Lotis Elise, its only the same size.

    the refreshed for 07 sedan doesnt look bad at all, atleast they updated the thing, GM is known for putting essentially the same vehicle on the market for 8 years or more, and here we are 3 years (or so)into the model cycle and the sedan has an all new interior and partial exterior.

    This should is a marked moment in histroy, it’s the one time that GM actually got something done in a Decent amount of time.

    Walking around the Aveo, for a cheap car its workmanship, panel fits and interor aren’t bad for something that costs less than 10k in an everything lines up, and stuff doesnt fall off kind of way. I guess those South Koreans really know how to build American cars.

    After seeing the 07 sedan at the dealer, I have to say, I might almost be caught dead in it. At the end of the day it doesnt exactly what it was designed to do, provide basic transportation for those who are aspiring to greater things. You know, it gets the grill cook at your favorite restaurant home at night so he can go to school in the morning…(me)

    So is it really a TWAT contender, or just a target for people that wouldn’t buying one because they can afford more?

  • avatar
    Carzzi

    Oh man… I like the way the Camry looks. I’m sure I’ll be voted off the island for that. Plus 268bhp sounds plenty tasty on paper.

    A co-worker (not a car guy) who bought one loves it, and loves its power. He loves corrupting the fragile little minds of his kids by smoking those fronts, eliciting whoops of juvenile approval. Of course he doesn’t know a thing about handling (representing the great unwashed)… since his other vehicle is a ‘Burban.

    So, for the dad who has to balance trouble-free, cushy, safe family transport with the occasional Don Garlits urge to goose it, it’s just fine.

    Derrières of trackaddicts need not apply. For them those therapists at M GmBH, MazdaSpeed, SVT, STI, et al, offer treatment.

    Oh, and no I don’t own one. But I do drive two cars that TTAC’ers would have made it to the TBAT in their day. Clue… one is that Bavarian with burble. The other was C&D voted best handler.

    But I’d buy one for my wife when she tires of her beloved Maxima.

  • avatar
    Claude Dickson

    I like dhathewa’s test for the Camry. If the rental car company handed you the keys to a Camry, would you be relieved or horrified. I’d be relieved. There are MUCH scarier vehicles on rental lots. I’ve experienced two of them: Ford Taurus and Dodge Charger.

    The Prius is much more deserved of TWAT. Driving around with that stupid display makes the car feel more like a mobile video game than a car. Acceleration is so poor, the car would need an hour to get out of its own way. Lastly, you don’t have to worry watching as you are about to be run over from behind, with no rear vision, you will never see them coming.

    BTW, the Audi TT is not eligible for nomination: the car is not currently available until next year when it will be offerred as an early 2008 model. Second, unless you live outside the US or are a journalist, chances are you’ve never actually seen the TT in the flesh or driven it.

  • avatar
    mantarayvette

    I vote the Maybach for…

    As one of the select few that have been able to experience the bliss of a Maybach (unfortunately while in a stationary orbit), I can say that anyone, and I mean anyone, that believes that this baby deserves a TWAT need only ensconce themselves into the rear thrones. Silly notions of nominations for inadequacy in motorcar form will instantly vanish, leaving you with only the question of how Maybach engineers snuck up to heaven one night, sedated the Lord, stole his perch, figured out how to reproduce it, and finally squeezed it into a moving work of art.

    Sex in the rear of a Maybach just might be enough to kill a man using pleasure alone.

    And yes, someone also mentioned the Mitsubishi Galant. The reason I also forgot to give it a nod was because I forgot that it even existed. If that’s not a damning statement, I don’t know what is.

  • avatar
    NN

    The current TWAT list actually has a few vehicles that serve their purpose, in my mind, well enough to avoid such a denigrating designation. The Impala, though also boring, provides roomy fuel efficient family transport for a very reasonable price. The Aveo may be bad, but I’m not sure it’s objectively that much worse than a Rio, Accent, or Reno–and it’s cheaper than all of those. The Tribeca’s sole faults are a horrible name and a grille that RF so eloquently described once upon a time. Here’s my list:

    1. Jeep Compass (modern-day Cimarron)
    2. GM minivans (probably a unanimous choice, which is saying something)
    3. Chrysler Aspen (shameless)
    4. Ford Ranger (a neglected poster-child for what’s wrong w/Ford)
    5. Suzuki Reno (gas guzzling whoreish Daewoo with old technology and poor quality–belongs solely in the 3rd world)
    6. Chevy Trailblazer EXT (pointless vehicle…nevermind the gas mileage; consider the awkward dimensions, zero off-road capability, dollar-store interior, ghastly reliability and build quality, and you’re-gonna-die emergency handling. Includes Isuzu Ascender/GMC Envoy XL. The regular length versions may also apply, but more because of how bad GM has whored them out rather than how terrible the product itself is)
    7. Chevy Monte Carlo (serves no purpose–not practical, not fast, not good looking, not refined, not efficient)
    8. Saturn Ion (so bad it almost single handedly killed the brand, wins my award for worst interior design & execution ever)
    9. Buick Rendezvous (not a single redeeming quality—a recurring GM theme)
    10. Kia Amanti (nothing screams “I have a poor credit rating” better)

    Dishonorable mentions:

    2006 Hyundai Sante Fe (2007 redeems itself)
    Ford Freestar
    Mercury (the entire line, simply for being Fords with different grilles)
    All Saabs except for the 9/3
    Pontiac G5 (proof that GM hasn’t changed a bit)
    Isuzu
    most Mitsubishis

  • avatar
    allen5h

    Ok, it seems like nobody can make a contribution until they take a stand on the Camry: TWAT or not a TWAT?

    I will respectably argue that all of this fuss over one great vehicle (reliability and V6 engine competence, two great qualities at the very top of the wish list of many, many brands of cars that goes unfullfilled decade after decade) is drawing attention from other cars that do belong on this list.

    I have already nominated the BMW 5 series for this reason:

    I nominate the BMW 5 series because of that dang I-Drive! I don’t care if the rest of the car is purdy good, take the I-Drive out! Just the thought of changing radio stations increases the risk of a cardiac infarction. Too many people in America with borderline arterial blockages for this.

    I will now add that the BMW 5 series belongs on this list because it is the anti-Camry. Both of these two vehicles are resounding sales success’ for their manufacturers in their vehicle class. Two very different approaches to generating corporate earnings, from two of the best rewarded outfits (in terms of net corporate profit margins.) Two different cultures’ (East vs. West) approach to define what is value and quality.

    The 5-series is way too expensive to purchase and maintain. To get a 5-series the way that anybody would want it could buy you two point two five similarly equipped Camrys’ with the same money. Bimmer dealerships are legendary for their major surgery to their customer’s wallets, and I have not even spoken about their service dept. antics.

    Those who argue that BMW markets and sells its line of vehicles as luxury-mobiles and can therefore price ‘em any way it wants to are not being relevant. Is the 5-series worth one million dollars? Of course not. Is the 5-series worth twenty thousdand dollars? Of course not. The truth lies somewhere in between, to be found after a general application of relevancy.

    Few new BMW buyers will argue that the cars they are purchasing are reliable. They know they are buying a headache.

    BMW’s willlingness to resolve/mediate quality/lemon issues with their customers is a farce, at best. BMW’s diss with its customers resounds in every fiber of the organization, percolating through onto its (independently owned) dealership network. A friend of mine had to order his 5-series from a dealership located at a distant city because the local BMW dealership “wasn’t very interested in me as a customer.” He was an associate with a major Wall Street firm at the time, go figure.

    BMW’s attraction to buyers is undeniable. Granted, while the Camry is the poster child for the beige (read vanilla ice cream) plain Jane at the Ball, the 5-series comes fully dressed to sweep ‘em of the dance room floor. The 5-series dances circles around any other similarly massive object on earth with four wheels.

    Still; the I-Drive, the exceptional price premium, the lack of reliability, the BMW penchant for disgrace with its customers, all of these things tanks the 5-series.

  • avatar
    Hutton

    ^plus, it’s ugly. And the two people I know that own them are actual twats.

  • avatar
    C. Alan

    I will finally have to speak up and add my nominations.

    First of all, I think we are doing the automotive world a huge difavor by not having the Ford Taurus on the list. It is the perfect example of how a car company can take a great car, and turn it into a complete stinker. I didn’t think it was posible to make a car look like a tampon aplicator, but Ford somehow pulled it off.

    My second nomination would be the Mazada B series pickups. This is the perfect example of a missed oppertunity to fill a void in the market in the form of the now rare small pickup. Instead, they did a very bad job of rebadging a Ford Ranger.
    –C. Alan

  • avatar
    Jordan Tenenbaum

    Well, the Taurus wasn’t really on sale for the public in 2006. IIRC is was fleet sales only.

  • avatar
    Robert Schwartz

    Porsche Cayenne Turbo S

    Claude: You Da Man.

    As Bill Hurt, playing Ned Racine in Body Heat, said: What else do you like? Lazy? Ugly? Horny? I got ‘em all.

    The Cayenne can say: What else do you like? Fat? Ugly? Expensive? I got ‘em all.

  • avatar
    nicke

    “Well, the Taurus wasn’t really on sale for the public in 2006. IIRC is was fleet sales only.”

    Then, I’ll nominate the Jaguar X-Type in it’s place! They are almost interchangable form the outside and I’m sure with some woodgrain tape and and Cat for the hood you could convince many people out there…

  • avatar
    sillyspheres

    I nominated the Taurus a couple of days ago not realizing that it doesn’t qualify due to its Fleet-only status.

    So now my real nomination goes to the Dodge Caliber purely for the WTF strategic reasons behind its production, namely:

    1. The market has turned against SUVs in the last few years and towards cars and crossovers. Smaller cars have been particularly hot as is shown by the Versa, Fit, Yaris, Aveo, and the Scions.
    2. The original Neon was the American small car of its day. Remember the “Hi!” ad campaign when it first launched? Remember the array of colors that it could be found in and the cuteness / carefreeness that it inspired?
    3. The Neon was in need of an update. Gen2 debuted in 2000 as an 01 model, SRT4 in 03, and the SXT trim level appeared in 2005. Sales of the 2005 Neon were 75,996 down from
    126,118 in 2002.
    4. Why not simply produce a new Neon? You have already built a loyal following and name recognition over the last 10+ years. Why throw it all away to build a completely new vehicle in different market segment? Isn’t it reasonable to expect that a redesigned Neon could sell 100,000+ units per year?

    If I walk into a Dodge dealership today. What can I buy for a sedan or smaller car? I can buy a Charger or Magnum starting at 23 grand but those are too big in my mind. I like small cars like the Corolla, RSX, Civic, and so on. So my only choice is the SUV like Caliber.

    So because of the poor strategy behind it, the Caliber belongs on the TWAT.

  • avatar
    Jordan Tenenbaum

    Actually, the X-type was based on the Mondeo platform.

  • avatar
    martin

    I nominate the Toyota Prius as the worst car being sold in the States today, for the reason that it is hideous and all the jerkasses in the world drive one. At the end of the day, the difference between people who drive Hummer H2s and people who drive Priuses is this: the guy driving a Hummer is a raging dullard who likes the macho trucks no matter how awful they are in every way, but he is basically harmless if left to himself. The Prius driver is an upstanding, respectible citizen who also happens to be actively working to destroy all that is great about this country; in his heart of hearts he is a totalitarian philosopher-king who believes the choice of transportation cannot be left in the hands of the masses, and therefore works feverishly towards the day when his personal preferences are enacted with the force of law. Speed cameras, congestion taxes, and nanny boxes in rental cars are just the beginning for this madman- the shining future begins when all humanity is crowded into great concrete apartment complexes situated rationally on mass transit lines and nobody owns a car. How glorious it will be! The planet will be saved and nobody will put on airs by driving a really fast, really outrageous, really good car that others cannot afford or desire.

    But, for the time being, he drives a Prius and gives money to political pressure groups so that his exalted future will be attained.

    The Prius is the engine of destruction for the human spirit.

  • avatar
    gunnarheinrich

    Amen to the R-Class nomination. The it-thing-vehicle sorely deserves this ignominious award.

  • avatar
    Jordan Tenenbaum

    Ok, here’s a new nomination from me:

    Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI. Sticker price? $67,750. You would think that they would learn something from the flop of the Phaeton.

  • avatar
    nicke

    “Actually, the X-type was based on the Mondeo platform.”

    I thought the latest Taurus was based on the Mondeo platform too, but if I’m wrong I stand corrected. But a FWD Jag. on a shared platform should still be nominated. (I know it has 4wd but the engine is still oriented the wrong way for a Jag.)

  • avatar
    starlightmica

    Was the Touareg V10 TDI on sale in 2006? I thought they brought a few hundred over last year and then emissions regulations got too restrictive to bring any more over in its current state.

  • avatar
    Dilljt

    I felt compelled to address people’s outrage in response to the Camry nomination.

    For too long, people have assumed that the Camry’s quality is beyond reproach, and that no other automobiles approached the Camry’s level of reliability. Based on these faulty assumptions, droves (drones?) of people have opted in to one of the least-inspired automobiles offered for sale in this country. As a result of these assumptions, customers have generally been willing to pay more for their Camry when they could have obtained a similarly dull but reliable car for a much lower price.

    The transgressions of older generations of the Camry (a bloated price for a humdrum auto) are forgivable when compared to the sins of the current generation Camry. In addition to it’s relatively high price and boring driving characteristics, the current Camry has added the sins of a gluten (in the form a heavy and bulbous new body) and a sloth (because, based on recalls and anecdotal evidence, the new Camry is less reliable and willing to work than its forbearers).

    Based on the foregoing, I humbly nominated the Toyota Camry for the award.

  • avatar
    Jordan Tenenbaum

    Starlight, the Touareg V10 TDI went on sale this week.

  • avatar
    KG

    Too bad the GMC Trailblazer with the retractable roof is not eligible for this list (what a dumb idea)

    GM Avalanche/EXT- This transfromer provides a solution to problems that I am not sure really exist.

    Any Koren car- These guys just cant decide from which companies to steal their designs, so they just mash them all together

    Buick Rendevous- The Curse of the Aztec strikes again….

  • avatar
    tms1999

    Maybe not (totally) worthy of TWAT but the camry really is the car for the people who don’t like to drive. Even with 268hp of pure straight line acceleration, save the soft suspension wobbling when you press the pedal too hard.

  • avatar
    artsy5347

    I thought martin’s Libertarian diatribe about the Prius wins for best literary effort – I blew a snot bubble about halfway through. I disagree with his sweeping generalization that everyone who cares about the environment is somehow socalist, but Prius owners definitely contribute to “smug alerts” where I live.

    I’m sure I’ll set off the “he’s posted too many times” monitor, but I have to add one more. The Chevrolet Avalanche looks like it was designed by guys who were addicted to Transformer toys back in the 80′s. So much so that they used Mattel-quality plastics on the interior.

    I used to watch my neighbor getting into his mastedon every morning in a suit and briefcase and I couldn’t help but wonder how often he regretted giving in to his juvenile free spirit that dark day when he dropped way to much money on the eyesore he couldn’t even get into his garage. And did the laughter of his peers at the sight of that waste of space bother him?

    He’s since bought a Hummer, so I guess the answer to the last question is NO. He’s just an asshole.

  • avatar
    artsy5347

    I have a neighbor who used to climb into his Avalanch every morning in his suit and tie. Avalanches were designed by men who idolized transformers as kids and they sold to others with the same fantasy life. I felt sorry for him until he sold his mastedon and bought a Hummer. Then I realized the guy was just a p****.

  • avatar
    chaz_233

    Plenty of valid reasons have been given why the Camry deserves to be the TWAT. In fact, it ought to be the perennial TWAT. But, how can the official vehicle of the American hoi polloi be the TWAT? Can millions of filthy rich fat Americans be wrong? Well, if we were readers the ordinary uncritical media, we’d join them in worshipping the Camry. After all it’s a Toyoduh and Toyoduh is infallible. TTAC readers know better than that.

  • avatar
    Sajeev Mehta

    I thought the latest Taurus was based on the Mondeo platform too, but if I’m wrong I stand corrected. But a FWD Jag. on a shared platform should still be nominated.

    No, the Taurus only shared its chassis with the Lincoln Continental. (and the obvious Mercury Sable) Its a pre-globalization type of car, totally old school American iron. And I think we have two votes for the X-type now. Only two votes?

    The transgressions of older generations of the Camry (a bloated price for a humdrum auto) are forgivable when compared to the sins of the current generation Camry. In addition to it’s relatively high price and boring driving characteristics, the current Camry has added the sins of a gluten (in the form a heavy and bulbous new body) and a sloth (because, based on recalls and anecdotal evidence, the new Camry is less reliable and willing to work than its forbearers).

    Dilljt: you nailed it right there. Well said!

  • avatar

    >>>But at what cost? What has the Camry done to the average American non-savvy car driver? More importantly, what has the Camry done to the American car industry? I blame the Camry for taking away the passion that American motorists used to have.

    The Camry did not take away Americans’ passion for cars. There were plenty of passionless cars before the Camry. Think J-car. Think K-car. Think Fairmont. The style–which was the only ubiquitous point of passion–began going out of cars during the 1970s. (Most people didn’t own muscle cars.)

    Blame badge engineering. Blame the Taurus for being the first to stop offering a stick. Blame American consumers for demanding automatics. And blame President Eisenhower, for inaugurating the interstates, which made driving so much more boring than it had previously been. And blame whoever was responsible for the fact that the center of the automotive industry is in apart of the country where cars don’t need to handle well (how much different would US cars have been had Detroit been in West Virginia?).

    Also, I suspect that the old time passion for cars had something to do with the fact that cars were much newer on the scene as late as the ‘50s and ‘60s. Now, most cars really are appliances, not just the Camry, but the Camry just happens to be one of the most reliable appliances out there, if also one of the most boring.

    The Camry does not deserve a bad car nomination. (I object to the acronym “twat,” because it is a synonym for the female tunnel of love which is being used in a derogatory way.) Some cars whose nominations I second:

    1. the Saab 9-7, for so dreadfully bastardizing what was once one of the most interesting and quirky marks
    2. The Escalade
    3. The Pacifica
    4. The Cayenne, for having such poor styling on such an expensive vehicle
    5. The Maybach for many reasons (see for ex #4)
    6. Any car, SUV, or minivan weighing more than 4000 lbs

  • avatar
    Frank Williams

    Sajeev, the X-type has been nominated 4 times so far.

  • avatar

    Martin writes: I nominate the Toyota Prius as the worst car being sold in the States today, for the reason that it is hideous and all the jerkasses in the world drive one. At the end of the day, the difference between people who drive Hummer H2s and people who drive Priuses is this: the guy driving a Hummer is a raging dullard who likes the macho trucks no matter how awful they are in every way, but he is basically harmless if left to himself. The Prius driver is an upstanding, respectible citizen who also happens to be actively working to destroy all that is great about this country; in his heart of hearts he is a totalitarian philosopher-king who believes the choice of transportation cannot be left in the hands of the masses, and therefore works feverishly towards the day when his personal preferences are enacted with the force of law. Speed cameras, congestion taxes, and nanny boxes in rental cars are just the beginning for this madman- the shining future begins when all humanity is crowded into great concrete apartment complexes situated rationally on mass transit lines and nobody owns a car.

    Uh, Martin, I think this is supposed to be about the cars, not the people who are assumed, rightly or wrongly, to drive them. And in fact, you might want to consider that a lot of people driving Priuses may be people who love cars, who (very correctly in my view) realize that by being hooked on oil, the US is in hock to some of the worst regimes on the planet, and who want to reduce the flood of money going to OPEC, money which then can be used to help the US economy. Also, they may be people who love cars but realize that global heating is one of the biggest threats to civilization, and want to reduce their contribution. (FYI I do not drive a Prius, and do not intend to get one, because I happen to love internal combustion, because I think it has more character than electricity and hybrids. But the more high mileage cars sold, the better for us all.)

  • avatar
    Jordan Tenenbaum

    David, While you bring up some good examples, none of them sold in the quantities that the Camry has and still does. I think being on top for so long has been detrimental to Toyota. They are starting to slack, and it’s becoming obvious. Look at Sajeev’s review of the Camry, look at the reviews of the Lexus ES330( badge engineering…ha!). Not exactly what I would call flawless.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Cars that do not belong on the list:

    BMW 5-series — members of generations X and Y (ie ME!) can work the iDrive just fine. Besides, it handles really good and once you ditch the horrid run-flats (a certainty at about 13,000 miles) the handling becomes fantastic. Ugly? No — it tries too hard, but check out the black-on-black-on-black model with the Chrome-delete — pretty fly looking car.

    I would put the 3-Series on the list based on looks alone (The worst Bangle of the bunch), AND the stupid key that falls out of the damn slot when you take a corner hard. However, you can take that corner really, really hard. So, that counts.

    Porsche Cayenne Turbo: Puh-leaze. This car is an engineering miracle. This is one that must be driven to be appreciated.

  • avatar
    2006300c

    The Camry is not a car for car guys; presumably this is a car site for car guys and not Consumer Reports. Why shouldn’t we nominate the Camry? The car has no style or flair at all. It’s like an escalator; it just moves people from one place to another. Who cares if it is reliable? Its 2006, all cars are reliable, that’s not good enough. The Camry sells because it is an institution, just like the Caravan is a best seller even though its competitors are better in every way; it sells because it’s an institution.

  • avatar
    Glenn

    Martin wrote:
    martin:
    October 19th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
    “I nominate the Toyota Prius as the worst car being sold in the States today, for the reason that it is hideous and all the jerkasses in the world drive one. At the end of the day, the difference between people who drive Hummer H2s and people who drive Priuses is this: the guy driving a Hummer is a raging dullard who likes the macho trucks no matter how awful they are in every way, but he is basically harmless if left to himself. The Prius driver is an upstanding, respectible citizen who also happens to be actively working to destroy all that is great about this country; in his heart of hearts he is a totalitarian philosopher-king who believes the choice of transportation cannot be left in the hands of the masses, and therefore works feverishly towards the day when his personal preferences are enacted with the force of law. Speed cameras, congestion taxes, and nanny boxes in rental cars are just the beginning for this madman- the shining future begins when all humanity is crowded into great concrete apartment complexes situated rationally on mass transit lines and nobody owns a car. How glorious it will be! The planet will be saved and nobody will put on airs by driving a really fast, really outrageous, really good car that others cannot afford or desire.

    But, for the time being, he drives a Prius and gives money to political pressure groups so that his exalted future will be attained.

    The Prius is the engine of destruction for the human spirit.”

    Wow, Martin, have you forgotten to take your meds today?

    I own a 2005 Prius and I’m a person who finally joined a political party this year. No, not the Green party, nor a socialist party nor the Democratic Party. The Constitution Party. Calling me a person who would force my views onto the public via politics would kind of be a surprise to anyone who knows me, brother.

    I’m actually quite the opposite of just about everything you wrote, and guess what? I read somewhere from someone who actually bothered to ask Prius drivers, that some 40% of American Prius drivers are what could be considered “conservatives”.

    As for the car, sure TTAC might have it voted in as a TWAT but so what? I’ve been in one of those before, unlike you maybe? On the other side of the coin, I had to be laughing when gas went to $3.20 a gallon, at least compared to your hypothetical Hummer driver who’s “harmless to anyone but himself”. Sure he is, until he runs into a child going across the road trying to stop his puppy from running, because the fat-assed “steamroller utility vehicle” can’t make a simple emergency maneuver.

    Now, go get your mom, have her give you your meds and get off the web, go lie down until your meds take affect.

  • avatar
    starlightmica

    FWIW, I’ve seen at least 2 Priuses with Bush/Cheney bumper stickers.

  • avatar
    2006300c

    Some of us love cars so much that we don’t care what it costs to feed them. Gasoline is Liquid entertainment as far as I’m concerned.

  • avatar
    Hutton

    I wish I liked the look of the 5 series… it seems good in theory, but then I see it in profile and it all falls apart. All that intricate surfacing up above the door handles, and then a huge expanse of nothingness below them makes this car look unfinished and fat.

    And there should have never been chrome in the first place. The existance of a chrome delete option just shows (more) lack of restraint on BMW’s part.

  • avatar
    Ryan

    Alright, so the Camry is a transportation appliance. That’s hardly good, or desireable, but at the same time, it’s a decent car for a person who pays their car no more mind than their toaster oven. And, as a couple of people have said, there’s no way that the Camry is the worst car in its class, however unattractive it is. It may be needlessly worshiped, but it’s still not a terrible car, just a very, very dull one.

  • avatar
    allen5h

    Jordan Tenebaum wrote:

    “Ok, here’s a new nomination from me:

    Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI. Sticker price? $67,750. You would think that they would learn something from the flop of the Phaeton.”

    Jordan, Volkswagen has not learned a thing from the Phaeton flop. History repeats itself. I remember visiting a VW dealership a few years back. The place was filthy. Who wanted to mix with the proletariat while they was paying their $70k for a Phaeton? Who wants to do that now when paying their $70k for a Touareg? I second your nomination because (even if for no other reason) Volkswagen is one big mess of a car company right now.

  • avatar
    middleNameIsEarl

    This is starting to sound like a list of the vehicles that offend ourselves (personally) the most. The Camry isn’t all that crappy, but a number of people thing it should rise to some higher expectation level, and that makes it TWAT? I’m not sure I agree with that.

    My own criteria would be to pick the cars that TWAT should be that selective handful of automobiles that have failed to keep up with the times. The cars whose design and engineering did their teams proud 15 years ago, but somehow have failed to move forward each and every of those 15 years, and now continue to be sold in these regions as if they were still acceptable modern transportation. For instance, had the Neon survived just one more model year so as to qualify itself for inclusion in this survey, it would most certainly be TWAT. Also qualifying would be any car that was engineered recently to a 15 year ago standard. So what make that ignominious list? Pontiac Vibe comes to mind. Saturn ION and VUE. Until recently, the Caddy Escalade. Hell- anything with a column mounted shifter should automatically be nominated! 2007 Crown Victoria. Not sure what else without thinking harder…

  • avatar
    ktm

    The mere fact that the Camry is in the list is a discredit to the site and adds fuel for the site’s detractors.

    A true TWAT would be a car that misses on all fronts such as the previously nominated GXP, Jeep Compass and Hummer H3. Nominating a car that has a historical track record as impeccable as the Camry for first year ‘glitches’ is laughable. Nearly every single person who nominated the Camry only complained about the looks (Sajeev excluded).

    I truly doubt that (conjecturing) a majority of the people nominating a range of vehicles have every driven the vehicle they nominated.

    Maybach? Yes, I am sure that you have driven a Maybach.

    Porsche Cayenne Turbo? I am sure that you have never really driven this one either. As Jonny L said, its an engineering marvel to move 5000+ lbs to 60 mph in around 5 seconds AND still have offroad capabilities (Top Gear took one off road at a tank testing course).

  • avatar
    zerogeek

    I’d nominate the Suzuki Verona. My sister left hers at our place for about a week, and I could barely muster the courage to move it from the driveway to the street after having ridden in that god-forsaken death trap a few days prior. Merely putting my hands on the steering wheel caused me to physically recoil from the sensation… I have driven some sub-quality cars before (ye auld Ford Taurus comes to mind, and my old idles-like-a-washing-machine Mystique), but the steering wheel on that… that THING felt like it had been taken off a Sit and Spin, spray-painted gray, and bolted to the steering column.

    The faux-wood finish and gaudy, oversized, useless HVAC displays adorning the dash scream “I want to play with the big boys,” but the constantly lit CEL (which apparently, Suzuki has tried to fix multiple times to no avail) betrays the car’s beyond-amateur status. Even Kia has more reliable vehicles than this.

    Taking it on the road sealed the deal. I was less than wowed by its anemic engine, and downright astonished when my sister told me it had a six-banger, and I used to drive a Taurus. Let’s not even talk gas mileage. Some cars sacrifice performance for fuel efficiency, but the performance here appears to have been sacrificed to some dark lord who constantly drains your fuel tank (and wallet). Those cheap interior plastics rattle every bit as much as you’d think they do, and the seats are marginally more comfortable than the last generation of Civic seats, which are comparable to a tarp tossed over cardboard boxes (and provide about as much support and comfort).

    So why did my sister purchase such a piece of junk, ignoring the pleas of family members far more versed in the ways of the vehicle? It looked cute. And yes, it does look cute, possibly one of the least offensive of Suzuki’s lineup (of course, we have a Subaru so really, it’s like the proverbial pot and kettle). In fact, that’s about all there is going for it, since taking the car for a spin gives one a feeling akin to taking a girl’s bra off for the first time and discovering it’s a push-up. Disappointment and disillusionment all the way home (literally). Of course, she used to drive a Taurus, too, so the Verona might seem to be a step up… but I feel sorry for her husband, who is now saddled with the thing (not her, the car). I asked him once if he’d like to ride somewhere with us, “In a real car,” and I nearly took a bullet from my dear sister. Seems they’ve had that discussion more than once. I don’t advocate running vehicles into immobile objects, but this car is one that needs to be put out of its misery, the sooner the better.

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    Jordan Tenenbaum:
    October 19th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
    David, While you bring up some good examples, none of them sold in the quantities that the Camry has and still does. I think being on top for so long has been detrimental to Toyota. They are starting to slack, and it’s becoming obvious. Look at Sajeev’s review of the Camry, look at the reviews of the Lexus ES330( badge engineering…ha!). Not exactly what I would call flawless.

    I agree with you. I’m just not sure Camry has descended to the level where it deserves a bad car award.

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    allen5h

    Slightly off topic:

    If the Camry was not the huge sales leader in its class for the past X years in a row, if the sales leader had been the Accord, would we still have all of this focus on the Camry or would it all be redirected on the Accord?

    If the answer is the Accord, then this attack on the Camry is lame.

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    MikeM

    The more of these I read the more I hope that TTAC isn’t a democracy but an Oligarchy.
    Farago et al should use our voting in the final debate; but the relatively anonymous rantings full of brand-bias and personal vendettas shoudln’t hold as much water as a valid discussion between professionals with experience and expertise.

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    The inclusion of the Camry on this list is merely a symbolic gesture. It’s like the hipster teenagers hating (insert band name here) because they are popular and get lots of radio play. The source of the loathing is really more about the hype of mainstream popularity than the quality of the actual product. If it was about the quality of product, there are many other cars that would be on the list over the Camry (even if Toyota is slipping).

    It also reeks of the pro-GM nutters trying to use the open nature of this site to make a stand.

    “You’re either hate the Camry, or your a import-lovin America-hating sonofabitch.”

    Side note:
    Have any of the Pruis haters ever even actually met a smug Pruis driver? I never have. Everyone I know who drives a hybrid keeps it to themselves, only bringing it up when asked. Many of them also own SUVs for weekend boating and the like, so hardly the in-your-face-vegan-liberal-marzist-bastards they seem to get painted as.

    I’m beginning to think it is a myth perpetuated by Hollywood celebs and that hilarious episode of South Park. Wake up call to all you ignorant fools, that stuff isn’t REAL! People buy hybrids because they have the choice, not because they want to take yours away.

    Actual TWAT cars:

    Ford Ranger/Mazda B – Again how long have they been left on the vine?
    Subaru B9 Tribeca – One of the few cars ugly enough to actually deserve being nominated on that quality alone
    VW Phaeton – 70k for a VW?!?!
    Base Cayenne – An overpriced and slow VW with a Porsche badge
    All of the rebadge Daewoos in the US
    Mercury’s entire lineup
    Jaguar X-type

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    artsy5347

    Based on the past half dozen quotes I’d say it’s quitting time in Toyota’s PR department!

    The Camry is ugly, its steering and brakes are as overboosted as a 1968 VistaCruiser and it gives the driver almost no road feedback. It sucks.

    I will second all the votes for the Ford Ranger. What a POS, but it has more character than a pitiful old fart’s Camry! LOL

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    CAHIBOstep

    The great thing about these awards is that we have been given a forum to communicate what we feel is missing in most cars at this point in time. We have only scratched the surface!

    There are so many factors that affect how and why cars are built the way they are in 2006. However, most of us agree that there is a lot more that is going “wrong” now than “right.”

    The Camry is a great example of a very real collective frustration among drivers because it is so committed to working within the limitations that exist when building cars in 2006. It is so committed to compromise, and it does it so well. This is the first time in my life that I ever thought that the best, most reliable car in the world is the one that makes the most compromises most effectively.

    So, does it belong on the list? Probably not. But then again, I would never buy one. I would buy an ugly, obnoxious car with the same money, just out of protest. At least a Ford Crown Victoria is the same as it was when I was a kid. All the other cars I have owned are now much worse in their current incarnations:

    1st and 2nd Cars: 1985 Grand Am (with whitewalls) and 1987 VW Fox. Not applicable.

    3rd Car: 1986 Volvo 240 DL. A Mazda, thanks to Ford, has replaced the Swedish Brick. Volvos are way too expensive now, much less reliable, and they’re still just as dull.

    4th Car: 1986 AMC/Jeep Grand Wagoneer. The Cowboy Cadillac was way ahead of its time, and it was cool. The Commander is totally lame in every possible way.

    5th Car: 1985 Toyota Land Cruiser. Now you have to search far and wide for a Land Cruiser without leather, and it looks like a toy spaceship. And it is WAY too expensive.

    6th Car: 2001 Jeep Cherokee. I flipped this one. It still didn’t have standard ABS in 2001, and it got 15 mpg, which were good enough reasons for them to retire it. But it went like hell, and it could tow 5,000 lbs. They replaced it with the Liberty…the car equivalent to the “Lady’s Aid” stick in pool.

    7th Car: 1995 Chevy Caprice with an LT-1. Indestructible, in addition to ugly, but it really felt like it was made in Texas when you drove it. The new Impala is just plain boring.

    8th Car: 2000 Volvo V40. It seemed like a good idea at the time. I would love to replace it, but with what? There’s nothing I can afford that seems like a better option. That’s the problem. And it is a serious problem. And it is very depressing.

    Having said that, I stick with my TWAT nominations on the previous forum.

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    middleNameIsEarl

    On the subject of the Prius, I think most people (including Toyota) have missed the point. As everyone around here in L.A. knows, if you work in Hollywood, you need to have a car that shows how successful you are at what you do. People will lease near 6 figure automobiles while renting dingy apartments in Palms because they think showing up looking rich is more important than actually building wealth. For a lot of the shrewder Hollywood wannabes, The Prius is a “get-out-of-jail” card. You claim you are doing it for the environment, but the fact is, you are just happy to be able to spend 20K on a car like normal human beings, without being called “poor.” I don’t think its failure to live up to the environmentally friendly hype is enough to make it a TWAT car. The fact that it is owned by a number Hollywood twats, well…

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    chanman

    I think the Camry’s inclusion is less about being the WORST car out there, as it is about being the most disliked car out there. (Being the pre-eminent vanilla mid-sized sedan).

    If it was the Accord leading the sales charts, I find it quite likely that it would be here instead of the Camry.

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    chaparral

    Jonny, the Cayenne Turbo is a triumph of detail design and development over concept and focus. What can it do, besides 165, that a Forester XT can’t?

    People’s concepts of “fast” are all screwed up now. I can’t blame ‘em, because cars today are so fast they’re difficult to reconcile with those of even a few years ago. You can walk into a Chrysler dealer with less money than a base E-class or GS450 would cost and come out with a full-size four-door sedan that will do 172 and high-12-second quarter miles. Fourteen years ago, Consumer Reports tested an LT1 Corvette, and got test numbers they thought were astonishing – 0-60 in 5.5, a quarter in 14.1 at 103. They said the car “tore” through that 0-60 run and offered “blazing” acceleration.

    In about two months, you will be able to buy at least four sub-$35,000 sedans that will do that, and one sub-$25,000 wagon. What’s even more amazing is that the base model of that wagon has been nominated for this list several times!

    The four sedans (if you haven’t guessed yet) are the Subaru Impreza STi, the Mitsubishi EVO, the upcoming Nissan Altima, and the Dodge Charger.

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    middleNameIsEarl

    chaparral- are you going to hold out on telling us which sub-25K wagon makes those performance numbers? whatever it is, I want it.

  • avatar
    chaparral

    I think the hostility towards the Camry is because it and several other similar cars are hammering the domestic auto industry by providing what people want; and what we’ve found out is that people want “boring” and “isolated” over everything else.

    The Camry isn’t the most reliable or durable car out there anymore (see: engine sludge, automatic transmission in sixes, gauge failure). Its driving dynamics would be put to shame by a 15-year-old example of itself, shot shocks, worn old tires and all, and its handling falls below the Mendoza line for its division – it’s behind the Grand Prix. What it does provide is an interior that could wear “Lexus” or “Cadillac” badges, an old-style Detroit boulevard ride, and noise levels on the highway that allow for hushed relaxation.

    In short, it is the Detroit land yacht that the enthusiast magazines used to complain about, only the profits don’t go to Detroit. It’s not a bad car – but it is one of the worst cars because it is almost perfect for typical American drivers, keeping them in their comfort zone and never giving them any reason to get any better at driving or any pickier when selecting a car.

    Indeed, improving drivers is what good drivers’ cars are about. When was the last time you saw a badly driven Miata? A car that demands respect and gives feedback, fun, and responsiveness in return is going to make people interested in driving, and in their own driving in particular. This is something a Camry fails to do – in ironing out the vices they have steamed away all the vitamins.

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    chaparral

    It’s the Caliber SRT-4. Keep in mind that recent Chrysler power figures for their hotter cars are closer to at-the-wheels figures than anything else.

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    all of this TWATage and not one mention of the Volkswagen Vanagon? Quite possibly the most ludicrously underpowered heap ever made. It earned the nickname “rolling guardrail” after all.

    I know, not current, but others are mentioning 80s cars.. so…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanagon

    Had a one off of an engine called the wasserboxer, only ever used in the vanagon, impossible to get parts for, slow, ugly, and unreliable.

    The Vanagon resembles an overgrown 80s VW Rabbit with no nose.

  • avatar
    middleNameIsEarl

    > It’s the Caliber SRT-4

    On second thought, I don’t want it. And I can think of another car (the non SRT-4 version of the Caliber) that belongs on this list. Replacing a car that had fairly competent handling and go at an insanely low price (The Neon) with something built of hard plastic that somehow performs less well than the Neon did in almost every respect was a mistake. I guess the Jeep Compass nominations already cover this.

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    It seems like many people are bashing the Camry for the people who are driving in them. Then frankly every BMW belongs on that list because whenever I see one, I know he is going to be a dick, never let anyone in the lane he is in, and weave around as much as possible in grid-locked traffic to get one car ahead.

    Oh, and ktm— the Porsche Cayenne is a big turd. Its performance numbers might be great in 0-60 and it might be off-roadable, but it is still a pig and the most useless status SUV out there. Maybe when they start winning in Dakar, I might reconsider.

  • avatar
    Claude Dickson

    The Cayenne Turbo may be an engineering marvel, but it is the solution to a problem/need no one has. And besides, as RF pointed out, the thing is butt ugly!!! Call me superficial, but I should get a pretty face, no make that a beautiful face, for $110 grand plus.

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    7th Car: 1995 Chevy Caprice with an LT-1. Indestructible, in addition to ugly, but it really felt like it was made in Texas when you drove it.

    It may be ugly–and I can remember a hilarious article in Car and Driver about that soon after that model came out–but it’s loaded with character. The police don’t seem nearly as intimidating in Impalas as they seemed in the Caprice. In fact, there are probably only a handful of non-sports cars from the 90s that had as much character.

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    Chanman: If it was the Accord leading the sales charts, I find it quite likely that it would be here instead of the Camry.

    My best friend, who recently bought an early ’00 Camry, prefers my ’99 Accord. He would have gotten an Accord but the price for equivalent ones was more.

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    Marco

    The last time I drove a Camry was in a raging snowstorm. It was on a 300 miles trip to Quebec city and I don’t think I have ever driven a car that provided so little feedback from the road. It literally felt like a hovercraft. The only way you would know that you were about to lose the tail was when the world started to shift one way or another in the windscreen. You could not even rely on the steering to tell you whether you were providing the appropriate corrections because it was deader than a TTAC columnist on a visit to RenCen.

    I can remember driving my Dad’s 88 Camry in the snow. It didn’t handle as well as the newer models but it sure provided enough feedback to let you know what was happening.

    I think what pisses off so many people about the Camry is that the model was not completely soulless some 20 years ago but for some reason, Toyota took every revision as an opportunity to blandify it. I can picture the conversations project managers and engineers had on the topic:
    Manager: I want the car to be more silent than a tomb and softer than a water bed.
    Engineer: Is this soft enough sir?
    Manager: No! I can still feel the road through the steering!

    Does that make the Camry a TWAT? I wouldn’t say so. The car may be more boring than an insurance salesman convention but I guess that the prime reason it has been nominated so often is that most posters had the opportunity to drive one. It is the worst car they have driven yet. The true TWATs are probably sleeping somewhere on a dealer lot, unknown to TTAC’s readership and the general public because nobody in their right mind would bother to try them, let alone buy them.

  • avatar
    ret

    I’ll keep the list short and sweet:

    Hummer H3 & Chevy Colorado & GMC Canyon – weak engined, poorly executed, and totally outclassed by the Toyota Tacoma and Nissan Frontier.

    Saturn Ion – Really GM? That’s the best you can do for Saturn?

    Chevy Malibu – It’s like GM brass wanted to make a Camry but instead of the orders being send down to the Engineering Department, they got sent down to the Blind and Retarded Monkey Department.

    BMW X3 – When BMW tries to do inexpensive, it REALLY looks (and feels and drives…) cheap.

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    You know chaparral, you’ve convinced me. If we are going to have the TWAT awards then there is certainly a special place for the one car that’s pioneered modern-era souless mediocrity and convinced everyone that it’s the way things should be.

    Camry’s got another vote from me.

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    b.russ

    Mercedes C-Class – I live in Los Angeles. The people I know that drive these things fall into two categories and both eat way too much sushi. I’m not a class fighter, and I know that the driver of the auto shouldn’t necessarily weigh heavily on the manufacturer, but in this case, you’ve got to be a real twat to drive this TWAT. Its guilty by association, not to mention the fact that it doesn’t hold a candle to the BMW 3-series it supposedly is up against.

    Ford Excursion – For some odd reason, the only people I ever see driving these damn things are 35 year old women, talking on their cell phones with screaming kids in the backseat. I understand the mentality: if she can’t drive, give her a tank to crash well in. But with a blindspot bigger than the CRX I used to get cut off in (hey, I was strapped for cash, don’t judge me) by them, is this colliseum of death really a tool that we want put into the hands of the unable?

    Pontiac Vibe – The bastard son of the all-time TWAT. Come on, I know Aztek wasn’t sold in the specified years, but I think it deserves some associative recognition through its horrendous offspring. Not to mention the fact that it’s criminal to have this manufactured under GM’s “Performance” nameplate.

    Kia Rio – Unreliable, boring ride, and from the right angle, it has the same fat lip you gave to that kid that tattled on you in your third grade English class. I mean, if you’re gonna buy a civic, buy a bloody civic.

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    ktm

    akatsuki, if appearing like a turd warrants a TWAT award, then best throw in the entire Subaru line-up. Looks are subjective and should not be the sole metric, which is what nearly everyone here is using.

    Do I like the Cayenne? Nope, I think that Porsche strayed too far from their roots. However, I respect the machine for its performance.

    Do I hate Subarus? Nope, I rather like the STi but it is not not prettiest car on the road either. However, it offers a hellacious amount of bang for the buck.

    b.russ, if you are going to nominate the Vibe you need to include its twin the Toyota Matrix.

  • avatar
    Blunozer

    Wow… They still sell the Monte Carlo?

    I forgot… (Easy enough to do!)

    It sure gets my vote. Its:

    1/ Overpriced
    2/ Oversized
    3/ Overweight
    4/ Ugly
    5/ Impractical
    6/ Got an ugly interior
    7/ Got acres of overhang

    Honestly, who buys these things? The Monte has all the demerits of sports car, pick-up, and luxury barge with a shred of their benefits.

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    Martin Albright

    I’m objecting to the Ford Ranger/Mazda B-Series on the same grounds that defenders of the Camry have used.

    A TWAT should be something that is truly bad, i.e. fails at what it attempts to do or is just plain ridiculous. Neither of these applies to the Ranger/B Series.

    Rather, like the Camry, they are what they are: Simple, cheap transportation for people who need it. In fact, the Ranger/B series are about the closest thing left to truly “compact” trucks since all the other formerly compact trucks from the likes of Toyota, Nissan and Dodge keep getting bigger and bigger (and thirstier and thirstier.) There is a market out there for truly simple, compact trucks and right now Ford/Mazda pretty much have a lock on it.

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    Dave M.

    Chanman, I disagree about the Accord being universally loathed (at least on TTAC) if it was the top seller instead of the Camry. Hondas just have a certain “mojo” about them (with the exception of the Ridgeline…..).

    Put a gun to my head and tell me I have to have a sedan for under $25k, and an Accord EX-L NAV would more than do. I couldn’t see myself driving a Camry….

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    “In fact, the Ranger/B series are about the closest thing left to truly “compact” trucks since all the other formerly compact trucks from the likes of Toyota, Nissan and Dodge keep getting bigger and bigger (and thirstier and thirstier.) There is a market out there for truly simple, compact trucks and right now Ford/Mazda pretty much have a lock on it.”

    The Ranger might still be the compact truck I would buy, but Ford deserves a punch in the face for letting this once popular model wither away like it has. I am not saying they should make it bigger and more complicated, but they definitely shouldn’t have stopped development completely.

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    Joe ShpoilShport

    I scrolled up to try and find the post that first suggested it, but I gotta put my vote with the Saab 9-7. I can’t think of another vehicle mentioned that is so what not to do. I mean, everyone knew it was coming, but most of us still cringed when they did it. Didn’t we?

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    I’m stunned the Camry is on the list. The car is great. It’s got a well appointed and well designed interior. It’s superbly comfortable and very quiet.

    It handles as well as a family sedan should handle. It’s not going to boil any blood, but come ON people! It’s a family sedan! Even the most hardened gearhead sometimes wants to simply jump into a car and smoothly roll to the desired destination. And by God, when you have kids, that’s all you ever want. It’s like bitching that a minivan can’t lap the Nurburgring in under 9 minutes.

    Yes, the exterior is somewhat out there, especially considering Toyota’s historical design proclivities, but it’s not ugly, at least not in Aztec terms. I think the previous Element and the Ridgeline are far uglier, and I don’t see those on the list. Hell, I could even make a TWAT argument for the Ridgeline, what with its meager V6 and sub-par off-road capabilities.

    I don’t think it’s an institution, so it sells, or that it’s hum-drum and overpriced. Mercedes and BMW’s are over-priced. Porsche’s are WAY over-priced. I don’t see anyone complaining. Review a Porsche under the requirements of a family and it would easily land a TWAT award. We’re gearheads. We are more likely to sacrifice things for performance. But just because we know cars and love to carve tarmac doesn’t mean that cars we don’t like for subjective reasons are bad.

    “I blame the Camry for taking away the passion that American motorists used to have.” (Jordan T.)

    “I will have to put my vote in for the Camry. Although, for a car to be so hideously ugly and yet STILL be obnoxiously boring is quite an achievement, so I have to give Toyota credit for that.

    But moreso [sic], it’s the fact that it has brainwashed an entire generation of North Americans that utter blandness is not only acceptable but desireable [sic], that pushes this yawn on wheels to the top of the list.” (gforce2002)

    Obnoxiously boring? I’m not sure how that’s possible. Still, the point is that blaming the Camry for the “degradation” of the American car-buying populous is patently absurd. Our cars took a nose-dive looooong before the Camry ever came to our shores. We had boat-loads of boring, unassuming cars back in the 40′s, 50′s, 60′s, and 70′s, it’s just that, surprise surprise, we’ve forgotten about them. We remember the flashy cars that defined the generation, but they sure as hell weren’t the cars that got that generation around. It was the forgettable workhorses.

    And as far as Sajeev’s review goes, it doesn’t come anywhere near saying the car deserves a TWAT award, only that it’s no longer so good as to be the only choice. And, importantly, Jay Shoemaker’s review of the Camry Hybrid is distinctly positive. It’s, as far as the reviews go, not the same shining star it once was, but a TWAT? Puh-leeze.

    There are TONS of crap-o-riffic cars on the road. I think every single one of them has been mentioned here. I guess I’ll lay down some of my own smack on cars I hate especially so.

    1: Jeep Compass: When I read that Enzo Ferrari referred to Jeep as America’s sports car, it hit me how true that is. Even in the face of Hummers, TRD Tacomas, and Land Rovers, there is nothing that can off-road like a Jeep. A true icon with a well-deserved reputation. The Compass takes a shit on this reputation and smears it in with a big, black, hiking boot. Not only is it completely antithetical to Jeep ethos, it’s not very good in ANY measure. If it had been any other nameplate, it wouldn’t be here, but the fact that it so egregiously disrespects one of the few bright spots in American Automotia lands it firmly at #1 for me.

    2: Chevrolet: No particular Chevy. Just Chevy. All of it.

    3: Anything with BMW’s SMG: Have you ever stalled a paddle shift car? I have. No wonder F1 drivers peel out from a stop, it’s the only way to get moving with any speed. I guess this applies to the MW M5, since I’ve never even managed to get near an M6, but I speculate it sucks just as much. Actually, yes. I will officially make this a vote for the BMW M5. I was surprised at the low quality materials popping up in the interior, and the outside is the worst Bangle car purely because of those utterly retarded eyebrows that look like someone sneezed whilst carving the clay for the prototype. The new M5′s failure is amplified by the god-like status of the previous model; one of my favorite cars.

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    chaparral

    b.russ – I don’t think there are many who’d hold CRX ownership against you. They’re great cars – really easy on gas, cheap to maintain and reliable, and about as good a front-wheel-drive chassis as was ever built.

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    Jonny Lieberman

    chaparral:

    The Cayenne Turbo (and my WRX Wagon) can pull those numbers.

    The Cayenne also handles really, really well. I know, I know, but it does. Sure, you fell isolated from the road in a way that you never would in a Boxster or 911 — but regardless, you can plow around an autocross track in a manner similar to a car weighing one-ton less.

    And then you take the thing off road…

    Don’t comment on the Cayenne until you take it off road. It has more capability than any other vehicle sold, save a Unimog and an H1.

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    I think you should consider the great pretender, ( oh-oh, oh-oh) udderwise known as the Nissan Titan. We had one traded in recently and it is as much a truck as near beer is suds. Soft, marginally able it is a bloated body builder compared to the F-150′s Brian Uhrlacher (sic) muscularity and true athletisism. the artman

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    Mervich

    Ok…I took my meds and had a session with the shrink…I don’t need to slam the Camry anymore. It would seem the majority consensus of the blog feels the same way I do about it.

    BUT, before the doors are closed on the TWAT nominations (I chuckle every time I see that acronym…call me adolescent), I feel it my duty to society and TTAC to put forward one of the finest examples of a true TWAT-mobile…the 2007 Lincoln Navigator. WTH were they smokin’ when they came-up with that one? All I can surmise is Ford believes the brothas in da hood are the one and only target buyers for that fully blinged-out, butt ugly to the point of ridiculous, thoroughfare wallowing, gas guzzling dinosaur. All it’s missing in standard decor are the spinny, even when stopped, hubcap thingies.

    I do not count myself among the ranks of the current, rabid SUV detractors…some SUV’s are very useful and even pleasing to the eye vehicles with lots-o-assets. But the 2007 Lincoln Navigator…are there any redeeming qualities? Any?

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    murphysamber

    I’m glad to see some people get what’s wrong with the Toyota Camry. The fact that it sells well just means that it’s faults are then coveted by all the pretenders out there. The Camry has lead other automakers to design cars that have taken the bar right down to the basement. How many cookie cutter Camry posers have unsafe handling characteristics? I’ll give you piece of unsolicited advice; don’t drive anything that floats in a Prozac daze through a corner. Airbags on a Camry are needed because avoiding an accident is not possible. Thanks to the Camry, the same can be said about a lot of other midsize coma sleds. While i’m sure it can be appreciated that the controls and gauges are large enough, and simple enough to use that a 2 (or 90) year old can get by without reading the manual, I find it difficult swallow a car that requires so little mental energy to operate that you can comfortably be numb at 70 miles an hour. The Camry is not just the answer to all the stupid peoples questions. It’s the reason people like me buy cars that can dodge the living dead. God, I hate that damn car.

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    bernd

    The best candidate for TWAT has to be the Chevy SSR, in my mind the vehicle most at odds with its own self. It’s a truck that carries nothing, save for a driver, passenger and overnight bags. It has neither off-road credentials, nor on-road prowess. It’s neither fast, efficient, practical, or cheap. It does however have the looks that will be admired by drivers of Chevy Monte Carlos, and, well, that’s pretty much it. DCX proved conclusively with the Prowler that a street rod relies on two things as a reason for being: it needs to be fast, and it is a form of individual expression. Well it isn’t fast…
    If there is anything that we’ve learned from Jeremy Clarkson, it must be that cars are vanity purchases, certainly for his own brand of bourgeoisie (note his objection to the Boxster as saying to the world that you haven’t been able to afford a 911). While in general I don’t much buy into the whole theory of cars as being either male or female, I have never seen a woman driving an SSR. This is not a good thing. Women may be pistonheads, but they are ultimately less prone to embarrassing ‘statements’ (like a 47 yr old divorced CPA marrying a 24 yr old cosmetologist). Ownership of the SSR falls into this category and ultimately marks one out as trying too hard to be cool. James Dean was cool because he was willing to think on his own. In Clarkson’s universe, the SSR driver has to be a divorced dad that perceives himself as very cool because he’s got a ‘rod’ that’s a truck (trendy) and a flippy roof (even trendier). His kids, of course, are deathly embarrassed that he’ll show and try to talk to their friends about cars and how he’s gotten a myspace account.
    The best thing about the embarrassing SSR though, is that it’s convertible, so that you can have the roof down and everyone see you in your cool toy. But I live in FL, and none of the ones on the road ever do have the top off, so they must know by now…

  • avatar
    Pezzo_di_Merda

    The GM Mini Vans get my vote. And I really hate doing it. I’m one of those idiots who buys a new car every couple of years. My last five cars have all been Saturns. When that new car smell jones came around this year, I marched on down to the friendly folks at my Saturn dealer (where I am of course viewed as Sucker Number One) to sample the Relay. My G*d, what a mess.

    So my Mini Van wanting spouse dragged me to see the Honda “people” who swiftly sold us a new Odyssey as anything after that Relay looked good. It was even a bigger mess. Wouldn’t go faster than 60 mph without a violent vibration in the steering wheel. The thing pulled so hard to the right under braking that it actually changed lanes. The power doors had a mind of their own. It groaned, squeaked and rattled like a DC-3 on its 100,000th take-off roll. After four days of fun, we took it back and demanded another one. So, the Honda Odyssey gets my second vote. It must be a cult brainwashing thing about this car. Every Odyssey owner I talk to has had major problems with the thing, yet they “love” it. I recently spoke with a nice lady who replaced two trasmissions and two AC units in a 2002, yet traded it in on a 2006 because she loved the look of the new model–Just Nuts.

  • avatar
    chaparral

    The Cayenne ought to hold the road well – it’s got a tremendously large set of tires on it! The Turbo S has 20×10 wheels with 275/40-20s on the back.

  • avatar

    Sorry to be Captain Late here, but I’m 6’5″ and fit in the Crossfire fine. It’s really not that bad of a car, certainly not desirable but hardly TWATty.

  • avatar
    Austin Greene

    All right you legions of Toyota sychophants, you’d better empty your bladders now, for I wish to uphold the nomination of the 2007 Camry for sacrifice on the TWAT altar.

    We are not talking about Camrys of yore that may have begun life as the poor man’s small Mercedes. We are talking about the ultimate opiate of the masses: the 2007 beluga edition Camry.

    Let’s face it, the Almighty Toyota has really dropped a clunker here. Unheard-of-for-Camry quality problems notwithstanding, this POS is an absolute betrayal of everything that Toyota has created in the hearts and minds of the American market. Does no one else remember the ‘80s jingle “Oh! what a feeling to drive! Toyota!”? The Supra, MR2, et al.?

    The 2007 Camry is a substandard vehicle from a manufacturer that no longer wants to achieve greatness, but would rather sit idly by and have greatness thrust upon it by the giant pressure wave created with the sinking of General Motors. In fact I submit that the 2007 Camry could very well have been produced by General Motors.

    With that, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

  • avatar
    akitadog

    I want to second (or third or fourth?) the Ford Freestar. It certainly fits the bill of being a disaster at doing what it should. It is two generations behind in amenities, three generations in engine technology, and four generations behind in fit-and-finish.

    In no way is it a competitor, and this includes a market with the new Hyundai Entourage and Kia Sedona.

    As for the Camry, I think too many people are basing their nominations on pent-up resentment for the bland-mobile (a foreign one, no less) being as big a success as it is. These first year hiccups the new Camry is having will pass. It’s all a by-product of Toyota’s well-deserved rapid expansion (due to demand). The’re too smart to let their quality slip too far and will be right on top of it once again, after their growth gets to where they want it to be.

    Just so you know, I am not a Toyota owner, nor do I wish to own one.

  • avatar
    BillyG

    I apologize for not posting sooner. There are vehicles discussed the last few days that I had never noticed before. After further research, I wish I had never noticed. Some of those include:

    The Suzuki Verona. This is hard to do. To be underpowered, uncomfortable, unreliable, and achieve such poor fuel economy. Oh, I left out the kicker, and have terrible crash test results. This is a complete loser, a true TWAT.

    Hyundai Tiburon. This doesn’t look bad until you actually look at it. Small, yet heavy. Sporty looking, yet handles poorly. Under powered, yet poor gas mileage. Better than some of the early US Hyundais, yet that says nothing.

    The GM minivans. I can’t add to what has previously been stated.

    And now for one I knew about. A plain old bad value:

    VW Phaeton. Hmm. Didn’t you already have a succesful luxury division called Audi? So you figure you are missing out on part of the luxury car market, those people buying Benzes and BMWs and Lexi, they won’t buy an Audi? Let’s give them a VW! This is the marketing version of the TWAT.

  • avatar
    ttilley

    Hopefully “after the last minute” nominations are being
    taken…

    Based upon it’s horrid attempt at 4-wheel drive I nominate
    the Mercedes M-Class. I’ve never seen a vehicle less capable
    of successfully negotiating Lake Tahoe driveways in winter.

    It’s anti-lock brakes are amazingly good. It’s 4 wheel drive is
    amazing for entirely different reasons.

  • avatar
    tulsa_97sr5

    Oh gosh, I know this is a thread to nominate TWAT’s, but…

    Jonny Lieberman:
    October 19th, 2006 at 8:45 pm

    And then you take the thing off road…

    Don’t comment on the Cayenne until you take it off road. It has more capability than any other vehicle sold, save a Unimog and an H1.

    You don’t really mean this I hope, at least not unless off road means dirt road, or maybe washboard to you. Similar to a Liberty, Highlander or CRV perhaps, but in real off road situation, where traction, ground clearance, articulation and underbody protection matter you really think a Cayenne measures up to a Land Cruiser, Jeep GC, 4Runner, Xterra, Wrangler, FJ Cruiser, or a Rubicon?

  • avatar
    ktm

    tulsa, Top Gear took a Cayenne offroad at a tank training course in the UK. Do yourself a favor and Youtube it. You would be amazed.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    Absolutely.

    The Cayenne is better than all of those.

    Ground clearence? How’s 11 inches?

    Traction — best in the biz.

    The articulation is insane.

    Underbody is fully protected.

    Look at this

    http://www.km77.com/marcas/porsche/cayenne_03/0primera/gra/4r45/42.jpg

    read this

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1525

    and watch this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2a5zTI2LI

    The Cayenne is the best off road vehicle currently made.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2a5zTI2LI

  • avatar
    Ryan

    As far as the Cayenne goes, as long as, say, ten people (outside of everyone in the middle east who’s rich off oil, and got a Cayenne to go with their LM2002) went out, bought one, and actually legitimately drove it offroad, I’d argue it shouldn’t be a TWAT. On the other hand, if they’re all used as glorified school buses, it’s pure TWAT, a brilliant engineering exercise, but done to latch on to the latest (probably dying) trend. I can’t help but think back to the corporate B.S. that was regurgitated to me by one of Porsche’s representatives at the auto show when they first came out. Apparantly, Porsche built an SUV, because of their rally heritage. So why can’t we buy a 911 on stilts then?

  • avatar
    jthorner

    My top choices for TWATS have to be the Maybach and any current Rolls Royce. Why is it that VW can build a stunning high end luxury sedan under the Bentley banner while BMW (Rolls) and Mercedes (Maybach) put out these grotesque monstrosities? Perhaps Bentleys are made to be sold to wealthy women who understand that looks still count for something. Wealthy men often seem to feel that their money is more than enough of an attractant and that thus physical appearance is unimportant.

    The Maybach and Rolls designers seem to have taken a good look at Donald Trump’s hair and concluded that good styling just doesn’t matter to the wealthy male. This seems like a case of Target Customer product design gone mad!

  • avatar
    toronado455

    PT Cruiser Convertible = TWAT

  • avatar
    Steven T.

    TTAC readers are quite astute in sensing something deeply wrong with the latest Camry. Alas, folks have been dancing around the real issue: The Camry represents a nefarious plot by space aliens to infiltrate the automobile industry.

    Consider the evidence. Take a good, slow walk around a Camry. Pay particular attention to that “third eye” grille. Ask yourself: How could a human possibly design this?

    Answer: Impossible (at least now that the designers of the Datsun B-210 have retired). The Camry is clearly the work of creatures who are trying much too hard to appear “normal” but haven’t quite mastered the basics of humanoid aesthetics.

    Does this rise to the level of High TWATedness? Me thinks no. The drone-like quality of the Camry may be subverting our way of life, but it does so with remarkable all-around efficiency. That third eye even has a strangely mesmerizing quality. (Go ahead – try staring at it for half an hour.)

    Let’s leave the wide-ranging policy implications of a space alien invasion to the political blogs. TTAC should be about cars in all of their glorious, adolescent excess. The TWAT awards should uphold for public ridicule the most incompetent shit boxes of our time.

    Malibu? Okay. Tribeca? Definitely. Navigator? Burn in hell. But Camry? It’s too late to resist anyway.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    I going to keep defending the Cayenne Turbo. Just because people do not take advantage of its capabilities is not the vehicle’s fault. Porsche could have chose to build a soft-roader ala the X5, but instead they decided to stay true to what SUVs SHOULD be and built the very best on roader and off roader.

    Same goes for the Phaeton, which at the time of its release was the best car in the world.

  • avatar
    Ryan

    That’s just it, then, isn’t it? If I’ve taken my old Escort further offroad than the typical Cayenne, then it was built only so Porsche would make money, only to appeal to twats who wouldn’t be caught dead in a wagon, for whatever stupid reason. And that cheapens the brand, no matter how brilliant the vehicle is.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    No, it does not.

    Great engineering never cheapens a brand.

  • avatar
    barberoux

    The Camry is the best car of its type. Its type is utterly boring and uninspired but so are many people. Vanilla exists and some vanillas are better than others. If you want vanilla, and many do, then the Camry is your best bet. I would think my life is over if I owned a Camry. I’d put on my white belt and white shoes and jump off a cliff.

  • avatar
    veritas399

    I nominate Ford Crown Victoria/Mecury Grand Marquis/Lincoln Towncar.
    1. Styling reminicent of the mid 1990′s possibly since it has not been updated since the mid 90′s. The word “crown vic” is even a verb meaning to let a product rot on the vine with no updates for years. “We won’t crown vic the ford ranger.”
    2. The ancient body on frame design based on the 1979 Ford Panther platform! How’s that for modern engineering!
    3. A very questionable safety record with its electrical system and gas tanks:
    http://www.crownvictoriasafetyalert.com/
    4. Rated poor in side impact by the iihs.
    5. Rated by Forbes magazine as having the highest drop in projected resale value.
    6. It is one UGLY car!!

  • avatar
    BostonTeaParty

    I vote for the camry, and prius. I despise the compass but it doesn’t offend me as much as those toyota numpty vehicles. Do you ever get the feeling of over complacency starting to creep in from the japs as their quest for world domination speeds up and over stretches them? can anyone else imagine toyota boardroom meetings taking place with everyone stroking white cats, laughing maniaclly whilst deciding which next boring product to throw on the north american masses? quality issues are the beginning of the slip, i can feel de ja vu coming along death watch toyota in a few years??

  • avatar
    BostonTeaParty

    I vote for the camry, and prius. I despise the compass too which i’ll have to vote for, but it doesn’t offend me as much as those toyota numpty vehicles. Do you ever get the feeling of over complacency starting to creep in from the japs as their quest for world domination speeds up and over stretches them? can anyone else imagine toyota boardroom meetings taking place with everyone stroking white cats, laughing maniaclly whilst deciding which next boring product to throw on the north american masses? quality issues are the beginning of the slip, i can feel de ja vu coming along death watch toyota in a few years??

  • avatar
    Martin Albright

    Nathaniel, you said

    “The Ranger might still be the compact truck I would buy, but Ford deserves a punch in the face for letting this once popular model wither away like it has. I am not saying they should make it bigger and more complicated, but they definitely shouldn’t have stopped development completely.”

    Okay, point taken. I don’t actually agree (I’m more of a “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” guy) but I’ll concede that it’s a valid issue, nevertheless, we should not lose track of the fact that the “W” in TWAT means “Worst.” Neither the Camry nor the Ranger/B Series are the “worst” of anything (the mere fact that they may not be the best doesn’t make them the worst.)

    “Worst” has a specific meaning. It doesn’t mean “The car I wouldn’t be caught dead in because of its image” (whether SUV or Prius.) Jonny is right to defend the Cayenne, regardless of whether you despise SUVs and/or the people who drive them. This is (or should be) an evaluation of the vehicle, not the broad social trends that cause people to drive them.

    Were I to define a “Worst” car, I would do it like this: Imagine that somebody you know and care about – friend or family member – is about to buy a car. Assume you aren’t the kind of jerk who would lecture someone about their choice of automobile for political reasons, but instead have genuine concern for their well being. Now, if this person were to say “I’m thinking of buying a _________.”

    If, out of genuine concern for that person’s well-being you would have to tell that person “Oh, man, don’t buy that, they’re complete pieces of crap!” then I think you have a candidate for a TWAT.

    But if you merely disagree with their choice (i.e. you hate SUVs or Hybrids or Imported cars or Domestic cars or pickup trucks) then I would say that’s not enough to make it a TWAT.

  • avatar
    Martin Albright

    One last quibble, regarding the Crown Vic, at least (can’t say for its platform-sharing mates, the Grand Marquis and Town Car), I was under the impression that the vast majority of Crown Vics are destined for fleet sales to police departments.

    For many reasons – including the “we’ve always done it this way” one – police department prefer relatively large, simple, rear-drive cars and the Crown Vic is pretty much it, at least in the price ranges that any municipality, county or state is willing to pay (IOW I don’t expect to see a Chrysler 300 or Dodge Magnum in police livery any time soon) so that may be why Ford (a) keeps the thing in production and (b) hasn’t updated it much in years.

    Thousands of guaranteed sales per year and the eternal gratitude of the folks in blue probably bolsters the business sense of the decision, too. I know a lot of LEAs were upset when Chevy finally axed their rear-drive Caprice (at least one of the police models had a Corvette engine in it) and Ford may enjoy being the maker of the most ubiquitous police car on the road.

  • avatar
    KingElvis

    Putting the Camry on the list makes it one step too silly and snarky. It looks like a BWM 3 series wannabe – what’s so bad about that? A 270hp engine? That’s nothing to sneeze at.

    What about dividing the ‘award’ between just ugly cars and badly engineered cars?

    Of course with the Monte Carlo, these two intersect so harmoniously. It could – even by Martin Albright’s strict standards, be considered the worst 5 passenger coupe on the market today.

    I was thinking about the SSR as a car that’s just so overpriced and basically useless that it actually makes you mad. So by a mile, worst ‘pickup’ (if in fact that is your REAL name) should easily be the SSR.

    But the Crown Vic’s retail prices are so optimistic, it actually pisses you off. They want about the same for their “LX premium performance” version as Dodge asks for a Charger R/T. On a side note, even ordering the allegedly upscale LX package STILL doesn’t get you the damn 6 CD shuffler – it’s extra…who does that?
    With a list price close to a Toyota Avalon, but sporting 50 fewer hp, the Crown Vic LX just might be…the WORST full size car for sale in the US.

  • avatar
    owca

    Oh Jonny, the tiers alone take Cayenne out of contention for the most capable off-roader.

    Also approach and departure angels are not all that impressive (approach 32, departure 27, breakover 24 versus 44/34/25 for a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon), neither are the axel-ratio (1:3.7) or low-range (1:2.7).

    I also did not notice any recovery points on it (although it may be only me not being diligent enough).

    Yes, it is fabulous off-road but no more than say a LandRover LR3 and certainly not in the same league as a Jeep Wrangler, LandRover Defender or Mercedes G.

  • avatar
    allen5h

    My last-minute and final nomination:

    Jeep Compass – worst case example of a brand chaos generator.

  • avatar
    Alex Rashev

    Here’s why the Camry is awful.

    For eons, it was the standard of blandness. The more bland a car is, the less people it offends. People don’t like being offended, and Camry sold. Of course, other manufacturers like sales, too, so they started making their cars more bland. End result: Camry made bland, inoffensive design a standard for all but niche vechicles (want an example, look at subaru).

    Which would all be great – bland car for bland people. BUT! Gray mass culture is loosing its core clientele. People who were bland in the 90′s are having a middle life crisis. They buy brawny Mustangs and Chrysler gangstermobiles. So, what does a company known for sticking to its model and brand essence do? They throw away the decades of Old Camry, put an “aggressive”, ugly face on the new one, and americanize it by adding foot-actuated emergency brake, lousy handling, and a bit of rattles and cheap plastic to spice it up. All in hopes of “catching back” its former clients. 2 decades of progress towards the perfect A-B transport down the drain.

    The new Camry is the ultimate double-crossing, backstabbing bastard. It catalyzed turning the automobile into an appliance, and then bailed out at the first sign of trouble. And this is why it deserves to be a TWAT – it’s a symbol of all evil in the contemporary auto industry.

  • avatar
    DrVali

    What about those Ferrari’s that catch fire on the way off the dealer’s lot?

    Ferarri 612, IIRC.

  • avatar
    ret

    Jonny –

    I’ve got to say that Top Gear video left something to be desired… I’ve driven over similar terrain in a Land Rover and in a Nissan Xterra. I saw nothing in that to demonstrate that the Cayenne is the “ultimate off-roader”. Just because Jeremy Clarkson sucks Porsche’s engineers’ ****s every chance he gets doesn’t mean that the car is so hot. I’ll absolutely buy that it does everything the BMW X5 is supposed to do about 100 times better, but being best looking pig in the barnyard doesn’t keep you from being a pig.

    Despite that, the Cayenne (though obnoxious, ugly, overweight, over priced, and just plain offensive to me) is certainly no TWAT.

  • avatar

    I, um… I like the Cayenne. Actually, I’ve never met a Porsche I didn’t like. I even like those cruddy 924′s.

    Still, I totally disagree that it’s the best off-roader on the market. I’d offroad in a Rubicon over the Cayenne any day of the week. I’d even prefer a Liberty Renegade.

    I’ve never driven any Land Rovers, so I can’t comment, but as the “total package” goes, the Cayenne is tough to beat. I think I would prefer it over an X5, but that assumes that I would buy an SUV such as those, at all.

    Still, I’d rather take the stupid-money required to own one and buy a Porsche Cayman and a Jeep. I’ve never liked all-in-ones. I prefer one-in-ones.

  • avatar
    allen5h

    Dr.Vali wrote:

    What about those Ferrari’s that catch fire on the way off the dealer’s lot?

    Ferarri 612, IIRC.

    Um, what about all of those Fords that spontaneously combust while parked in your garage?

    All Fords that spontaneously combust (I know the F-150, maybe others?)

  • avatar
    DrVali

    I think that for 200 grand I’d expect my car not to catch fire on the way home from the dealership.

  • avatar
    obsessedwithautos

    I don’t really see why the BMW X3 is being nominated for the TWAT “award.” “Does that car do anything well?” Well, let’s see. It handles like a 3 series, which just happens to be one of, if not the best, handling accessible cars in the world, if I (and several auto publications) say so. It also has more cargo room than a 3 series wagon and an X5. And ignore the comments about firm ride and chintzy quality. How do I know? We have one with 25,000 miles and zero problems. Yeah, some TWAT.

    As for the Compass, I don’t think any self-respecting Berliner would buy that car. (Look at the license plate.)

  • avatar
    obsessedwithautos

    I mean specifically the Compass in the photo.

  • avatar
    ionosphere

    I would vote for the current Jaguar sedan. Why? I sat in one at last year’s auto show and I never have experienced such a cramped cockpit. The legroom was horrible and my left shoulder pressed against the side of the car. For a large car, this car sucks big time….as well as being overpriced. I suppose a small person would like it fine. Sorry overpriced imports, but I’ll take my 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis over all you BMW’s, Mercedes, and Jaguars. Much more room!!!!


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