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	<title>Comments on: 125 MPH on the M23?  Is That The Best You Can Do?</title>
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		<title>By: modemjunki</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/125-mph-on-the-m23-is-that-the-best-you-can-do/comment-page-1/#comment-102593</link>
		<dc:creator>modemjunki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d forgotten about the mechanical condition allowed for cars in many parts of the USA. I myself live in the rust belt, it&#039;s shocking what can be seen on the road.

I suppose it&#039;s our own fault, this inattention to driver education, in essence not taking driving as a serious thing. Driving is seen as a right, and with no viable public transportation in many areas the level of licensed stupidity can only increase over time.

Speaking of which, my son will have his license soon. I sometimes shudder at the very thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I&#8217;d forgotten about the mechanical condition allowed for cars in many parts of the USA. I myself live in the rust belt, it&#8217;s shocking what can be seen on the road.</p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s our own fault, this inattention to driver education, in essence not taking driving as a serious thing. Driving is seen as a right, and with no viable public transportation in many areas the level of licensed stupidity can only increase over time.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, my son will have his license soon. I sometimes shudder at the very thought.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: edgett</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/125-mph-on-the-m23-is-that-the-best-you-can-do/comment-page-1/#comment-102313</link>
		<dc:creator>edgett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But in my country (the USA), we have long way to go with driver education and training before I’d remotely consider supporting triple-digit and above speeds for the common man.

Couldn&#039;t agree more and I wasn&#039;t arguing that top speed on the autobahn is &quot;safe&quot;, but there are lots o&#039; folks traveling quite safely outside of cities at 90-100 mph. And whether or not we have higher speed limits in the U.S., driver training and education, as well as condition of equipment should be a higher priority here. Every time I stand in a &quot;security&quot; line at the airport I wonder if we put the same kind of effort into reducing automobile accidents that the payoff might be much higher. If we take 9/11 as the worst terrorist event in U.S. history, some 3000 people were killed. In the years since then we have killed more than 250,000 people on U.S. highways. If additional driver education could just take a 10% bite out of that number, that would equal 25,000 lives saved.

At some point, some IIHS flack may join in and say that driver training has little to do with road safety. I cry foul at that; anyone who has worked with any dangerous tool knows that training goes a long way toward reducing accidents with whatever tool you might name. Not everyone has to smash their thumb with a hammer to learn how to use one properly, and an automobile is a far more dangerous tool than a hammer.</description>
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<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more and I wasn&#8217;t arguing that top speed on the autobahn is &#8220;safe&#8221;, but there are lots o&#8217; folks traveling quite safely outside of cities at 90-100 mph. And whether or not we have higher speed limits in the U.S., driver training and education, as well as condition of equipment should be a higher priority here. Every time I stand in a &#8220;security&#8221; line at the airport I wonder if we put the same kind of effort into reducing automobile accidents that the payoff might be much higher. If we take 9/11 as the worst terrorist event in U.S. history, some 3000 people were killed. In the years since then we have killed more than 250,000 people on U.S. highways. If additional driver education could just take a 10% bite out of that number, that would equal 25,000 lives saved.</p>
<p>At some point, some IIHS flack may join in and say that driver training has little to do with road safety. I cry foul at that; anyone who has worked with any dangerous tool knows that training goes a long way toward reducing accidents with whatever tool you might name. Not everyone has to smash their thumb with a hammer to learn how to use one properly, and an automobile is a far more dangerous tool than a hammer.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: modemjunki</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/125-mph-on-the-m23-is-that-the-best-you-can-do/comment-page-1/#comment-102262</link>
		<dc:creator>modemjunki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edgett writes: &quot;chuckgoolsbee makes a good point. The last time I looked, the German autobahns had a lower accident rate than American freeways&quot;

ModemJunki opines:
Those who drive at top speed on the Autobahn generally accept as fact the notion that a person will likely only have one high speed accident during their lives. The ones that survive tend to slow down a bit.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;ve been there and done that. I&#039;ve not found another place with so many careful, attentive drivers. 

But in my country (the USA), we have long way to go with driver education and training before I&#039;d remotely consider supporting triple-digit and above speeds for the common man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Edgett writes: &#8220;chuckgoolsbee makes a good point. The last time I looked, the German autobahns had a lower accident rate than American freeways&#8221;</p>
<p>ModemJunki opines:<br />
Those who drive at top speed on the Autobahn generally accept as fact the notion that a person will likely only have one high speed accident during their lives. The ones that survive tend to slow down a bit.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;ve been there and done that. I&#8217;ve not found another place with so many careful, attentive drivers. </p>
<p>But in my country (the USA), we have long way to go with driver education and training before I&#8217;d remotely consider supporting triple-digit and above speeds for the common man.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Andy D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chuckgoolsbee,  DB7?</description>
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		<title>By: dolo54</title>
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		<dc:creator>dolo54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ chuckgoolsbee: mmmm, toggle switches.</description>
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		<title>By: edgett</title>
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		<dc:creator>edgett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chuckgoolsbee makes a good point. The last time I looked, the German autobahns had a lower accident rate than American freeways, despite the fact that on open stretches there can sometimes be a triple digit differential in closing speeds. The Germans are required to maintain their cars, however, and the driving tests are actually tests...

And as to worse violations of our social contract, the multi-tasking mom in a 6000 lb Suburban complete with 10 psi front tire comes to mind. How many of these are prosecuted? Instead they roll over somewhat predictably when asked for something besides straight-ahead travel and people blame the truck.</description>
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<p>And as to worse violations of our social contract, the multi-tasking mom in a 6000 lb Suburban complete with 10 psi front tire comes to mind. How many of these are prosecuted? Instead they roll over somewhat predictably when asked for something besides straight-ahead travel and people blame the truck.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: chuckgoolsbee</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/125-mph-on-the-m23-is-that-the-best-you-can-do/comment-page-1/#comment-102029</link>
		<dc:creator>chuckgoolsbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At any given moment of every day there is somebody exceeding &quot;the Ton&quot; on a public road somewhere on this planet. Not only do they travel at triple digit speeds, they do it safely and responsibly.  There are places where it can be done, and frankly should be allowed. There are also places where it is unwise and unsafe and there it should not be allowed. 

I&#039;ve never understood the outrage the state works itself up into with regards to the velocity that its citizens choose to propel themselves. Further the harsh repression they employ when it is discovered. There are far worse violations of our social contract than going 25 MPH faster than the guy in the right lane.


Oh, here is &lt;a href=&quot;http://chuck.goolsbee.org/images/GTTSR/the_ton.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;lightbox[8021]&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my contribution&lt;/a&gt; ... in a 43 year old car as well.

--chuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->At any given moment of every day there is somebody exceeding &#8220;the Ton&#8221; on a public road somewhere on this planet. Not only do they travel at triple digit speeds, they do it safely and responsibly.  There are places where it can be done, and frankly should be allowed. There are also places where it is unwise and unsafe and there it should not be allowed. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never understood the outrage the state works itself up into with regards to the velocity that its citizens choose to propel themselves. Further the harsh repression they employ when it is discovered. There are far worse violations of our social contract than going 25 MPH faster than the guy in the right lane.</p>
<p>Oh, here is <a href="http://chuck.goolsbee.org/images/GTTSR/the_ton.jpg" rel="lightbox[8021]" rel="nofollow">my contribution</a> &#8230; in a 43 year old car as well.</p>
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		<title>By: KixStart</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/125-mph-on-the-m23-is-that-the-best-you-can-do/comment-page-1/#comment-102013</link>
		<dc:creator>KixStart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suppressing those vids would make the &quot;work&quot; day a lot less entertaining.</description>
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		<title>By: Virtual Insanity</title>
		<link>http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/125-mph-on-the-m23-is-that-the-best-you-can-do/comment-page-1/#comment-102005</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtual Insanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the same road where Nagata did the 200mph+ run in the Supra?</description>
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		<title>By: edgett</title>
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		<dc:creator>edgett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s still amazing to watch how quickly the GT gets to 200 mph (or thereabouts). Socially irresponsible, of course...

One might wonder that a Ford GT is likely a far more stable vehicle at 200 mph than a Vauxhall Cavalier at 125, or a 20 year-old Chevy Cavalier at 75...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->It&#8217;s still amazing to watch how quickly the GT gets to 200 mph (or thereabouts). Socially irresponsible, of course&#8230;</p>
<p>One might wonder that a Ford GT is likely a far more stable vehicle at 200 mph than a Vauxhall Cavalier at 125, or a 20 year-old Chevy Cavalier at 75&#8230;<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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